AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

[Kimster]

It's okay to use Heidi and Dirk Shillers names on the site. Heidi has been a member here for quite some time and has used her name frequently.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't see his name in my post. It is in his mom's post (and is her screen name) which I quoted. Furthermore, as he is the "victim" in his abduction, I would not have realized using his name was inappropriate, and if he's alive today (I hope he is) is in his 30s and not a minor. Can someone clarify?

We have a forum for Dirk Schiller here at WS, though I can't find it now.

 

[WhatsupAZ]

Just a quick comment on the race "issue" or "nonissue"... I live in AZ, and am white. But people of hispanic descent who grew up here are not singled out as mexican, or even hispanic here. These people are basically the family that you find at every third house. They are not brown people, they are just people (well, unless you are sherriff joe)

 

[Lark2]

I have another take on Sergio standing behind a short wall watching the Friday night candellight vigil. I see the no contact order as a no intimidation order, to stop him from unduly influencing the boys about what they know. IMO, having him peering over the wall could be taken as a sign of intimidation if he was threatening one of the boys. After all, he had to know this would make the news.

Also, Donejta had a great reply this morning for those who have stated they believe a cartel kidnapped or was given Isabele for a drug debt (or because of F & F, or whatever) - that being, why would the boys be allowed to roam free, with their mom? That threat must still exist, no?

Also also, for those here who feel that the family has been unduly targeted and that LE has "tunnel vision" in this investigation, DhynaAz's comments this morning point to the massive, externally-focused response to this abduction/missing child case in just the first few days. I disagree that they've been too focused on the parents. That's just where their investigation has led them. If anything, I think they've bent over backwards to try and exclude them. For those asking about facts in this case, LE's comprehensive documented response to this "abduction" is a fact.

FWIW, the day Isa was discovered missing MANY homes in the neighborhood were searched...There was a MASSIVE LE presence, many different agencies, and quite a few dogs methodically searching both the immediate area and the surrounding area. The helicopters were in the air for hours...I can honestly say that I've never seen anything like it. It was absolutely terrifying.

 

[Shelby2]

any locals here?

how common is it (in that neighborhood) for there to be bars on windows. the c's neighbor to the east has them...the neighbor to the north has them (on the second floor nonetheless). if one were to be associated in any way with drug smuggling or gun running, wouldn't you logically have bars on your windows? maybe a security system with an alarm? dogs that...er...bite, as well as bark?

thoughts?

I am not local, I did visit the Phoenix area years ago and noticed bars on windows, also lots of Gated Communities-had never seen that before!

 

[makayla]

It's all about Sergio, sadly. Isa got left behind weeks ago.


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I know some others have different opinions, but I agree with you, especially when the parents are interviewed - when asked what they would like to say to Isabel, they appear to fall short of speaking to her directly for very long.

I can't speak from experience on how I might behave as a parent of a missing child, but I would like to think that I would look into the camera, speaking directly to my child, calling her by name and telling her how much I love her, to be strong and that we are doing everything we can to find her.

It's hard to judge others' behavior during a crisis like this, but something still just doesn't sit well with me - no proof, just an intuition/gut feeling, that's all.

It did seem that the vigil was a lot about Sergio and not enough about Isabel, athough I wasn't there so I don't know. Why didn't the parents appear as a united couple pleading for Isabel's return? Surely the son or sons could appear at another time - Becky could even arrange a time for her to appear with the boys and talk to Isabel through the camera. JMO

Again, I am trying not to be critical of the family, but it becomes increasingly harder not to notice a lack of strong emotions for Isabel, and perhaps a little too much defensiveness for Sergio. JMO

 

[Boodles]

I have another take on Sergio standing behind a short wall watching the Friday night candellight vigil. I see the no contact order as a no intimidation order, to stop him from unduly influencing the boys about what they know. IMO, having him peering over the wall could be taken as a sign of intimidation if he was threatening one of the boys. After all, he had to know this would make the news.

snipped.

BINGO! And perhaps intimidation toward Becky and who knows, maybe others as well. "I'm watching and can hear you...." Control freak.

 

[Prof]

JM. it's not new, it's the original case posted.

but there's no address listed so i can't see how we can be sure he was "served" while living at the c's. but what do i know.

thanks for the coffee and bagel. yum.

As far as I could tell, the poster claimed that this warrant was served at the Celis home, and that is why CPS got involved. Wow.. it looks like a private process server...must have been on his or her toes, and well connected to get CPS out there on New Year's Eve in less than 24 hours. As LE stated CPS was there in December? I am so confused.

 

[makayla]

I am not local, I did visit the Phoenix area years ago and noticed bars on windows, also lots of Gated Communities-had never seen that before!

There are bars on windows in some communities, and gated communities throughout the state of Arizona in several economic areas - plus lots of homes with walls rather than fences.

 

[white rabbit]

As far as I could tell, the poster claimed that this warrant was served at the Celis home, and that is why CPS got involved. Wow.. it looks like a private process server...must have been on his or her toes, and well connected to get CPS out there on New Year's Eve in less than 24 hours. As LE stated CPS was there in December? I am so confused.

well that makes two of us. lol.

i posted of JM being served because of his DUI (had nothing to do with cps so far as i know) and whatever was served to him, wherever it was served, was on december 30th (not new year's eve)...

where's the connection with JM and cps? tia...

 

[Lava]

I have another take on Sergio standing behind a short wall watching the Friday night candellight vigil. I see the no contact order as a no intimidation order, to stop him from unduly influencing the boys about what they know. IMO, having him peering over the wall could be taken as a sign of intimidation if he was threatening one of the boys. After all, he had to know this would make the news.

Snipped. This is such a good point. If intimidation had anything to do with the CPS order, I really wonder how they feel about this. I did not like seeing him there knowing the son was there. I thought it was unfair to his son to have to see his father peeking out behind a wall, not to mention the weirdness factor.

 

[FrayedKnot]

As far as I could tell, the poster claimed that this warrant was served at the Celis home, and that is why CPS got involved. Wow.. it looks like a private process server...must have been on his or her toes, and well connected to get CPS out there on New Year's Eve in less than 24 hours. As LE stated CPS was there in December? I am so confused.

Actually, the poster said this is what he THOUGHT happened, based on a warrant being served on JM. But he didn't have an address at which it occurred.

So the warrant served to JM is fact, but it being at the Celis' home was speculation.

HTH


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[cluciano63]

I am not local, I did visit the Phoenix area years ago and noticed bars on windows, also lots of Gated Communities-had never seen that before!

I have an old house and it had bars on all of the windows when we bought it, they are those decorative-type bars shaped like scrolls, etc...I am kind of glad they are they, as our house is just one-story...

 

[white rabbit]

There are bars on windows in some communities, and gated communities throughout the state of Arizona in several economic areas - plus lots of homes with walls rather than fences.

yes i realize that. my point was for those that believe there may be a drug/gun connection, wouldn't you be one of those with bars on your windows? pan the street on googlemaps. they definitely have one of the nicer homes. i would surely have an alarm system or something. even if you lived in podunk, iowa...if your neighbors have bars on their windows, there must be a threat other than (gulp) scorpions. kwim?

jmo.

 

[FrayedKnot]

As far as I could tell, the poster claimed that this warrant was served at the Celis home, and that is why CPS got involved. Wow.. it looks like a private process server...must have been on his or her toes, and well connected to get CPS out there on New Year's Eve in less than 24 hours. As LE stated CPS was there in December? I am so confused.

Oh! And the warrant was served on Dec. 30, not New Years' Eve.


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[Shelby2]

I have an old house and it had bars on all of the windows when we bought it, they are those decorative-type bars shaped like scrolls, etc...I am kind of glad they are they, as our house is just one-story...

Yes I meant to add that! They were all very decorative, not like actual 'bars' across the windows like I see in Boston.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Snipped. This is such a good point. If intimidation had anything to do with the CPS order, I really wonder how they feel about this. I did not like seeing him there knowing the son was there. I thought it was unfair to his son to have to see his father peeking out behind a wall, not to mention the weirdness factor.

I was kind of shocked by the brazenness of SC leaning on the wall. I asked yesterday if he would have been far enough away so as not to be in violation of his voluntary no contact amicable agreement.

IMO, he was just far enough back to satisfy any distance requirements, kinda like "I'm not touching you!" whilst wiggling fingers within centimeters of one's siblings face.

Oh, and staring creepily over the wall.........ick.

MOO


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[Shelby2]

yes i realize that. my point was for those that believe there may be a drug/gun connection, wouldn't you be one of those with bars on your windows? pan the street on googlemaps. they definitely have one of the nicer homes. i would surely have an alarm system or something. even if you lived in podunk, iowa...if your neighbors have bars on their windows, there must be a threat other than (gulp) scorpions. kwim?

jmo.

True. Or at the very least lock the windows.

 

[curiousc]

I was kind of shocked by the brazenness of SC leaning on the wall. I asked yesterday if he would have been far enough away so as not to be in violation of his voluntary no contact amicable agreement.

IMO, he was just far enough back to satisfy any distance requirements, kinda like "I'm not touching you!" whilst wiggling fingers within centimeters of one's siblings face.

Oh, and staring creepily over the wall.........ick.

MOO


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I think it is very creepy and like he is using intimidation factors. And why RC said he was such a good father blah, blah, blah.

For the poster that went passed him while in the area that night, how do you feel knowing that it was Sergio and not his brother?

 

[Prof]

well that makes two of us. lol.

i posted of JM being served because of his DUI (had nothing to do with cps so far as i know) and whatever was served to him, wherever it was served, was on december 30th (not new year's eve)...

where's the connection with JM and cps? tia...

I missed your first correction... I did not say it was served on New Year's Eve...the original claim from what I could discern stated that CPS was notified after the process server came to the house..the warrant served sparked the CPS visit, according to the poster. My point was wow, if the CPS visit was in December, they would have had only one day to get there, on New Year's Eve.
I have no idea.. I am lost. I am off to the dog park.