AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

[FrayedKnot]

I missed your frist correction... I did not say it was served on New Year's Eve...the original claim from what I could discern stated that CPS was notified after the process server came to the house..the warrant served sparked the CPS visit, according to the poster. My point was wow, if the CPS visit was in December, they would have had only one day to get there, on New Year's Eve.
I have no idea.. I am lost.

Duh! I didn't even see that you mentioned CPS in your post. Sorry! No, this was all related to JM being served on Dec 30 (fact) and what if he had been seres while at the Celis' home (speculation).

That is the part I was trying to clear up. Sorry.


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[Dee10]

I ran a couple searches on fundraising focusing on this case:

A special fund has been established to assist the search for Isabel Mercedes Celis and to support the family. https://www.tmcaz.com/TMCFoundation

Southern Arizonans horrified at the recent abduction of 6-year old Isabel Celis are responding with generous gifts of time and money. But even when the tragedy is close to home, givers should take steps to assure that donations go to legitimate charities, cautions BBB Wise Giving of Southern Arizona. http://tucson.bbb.org/article/donor...lated-charities-should-be-wary-of-scams-34273


The Voice of Tucson recently held a similar benefit concert in Scottsdale. About 200 people turned out for that event and organizers raised about 3-thousand dollars. Although only half showed up for Sunday's concert, the organizers say the event was still a success because it was all about being there for the Celis family. http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150386075.html

Friday there is a fundraiser at Boston Market on Grant, near Tanque Verde. Mention Isabel Celis when you order and 15% will go to the Isabel Celis Foundation. http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151047225.html

So, the family IS involved in fundraising. If anyone followed the Somer Thompson case, Diana raised well over 100 thousand & started the Somer Thompson Foundation. Missing children have become big business with networks buying pictures & videos. Food for thought.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I missed your first correction... I did not say it was served on New Year's Eve...the original claim from what I could discern stated that CPS was notified after the process server came to the house..the warrant served sparked the CPS visit, according to the poster. My point was wow, if the CPS visit was in December, they would have had only one day to get there, on New Year's Eve.
I have no idea.. I am lost. I am off to the dog park.

Oh! Good point. And from the little I know about CPS, that would be an awfully speedy response time unless the server saw something truly concerning.

But then wouldn't they have called 911 and why were the children not taken.

So either it wasn't that bad, or the CPS visit was not precipitated by the warrant-serving. Moo


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[Prof]

Actually, the poster said this is what he THOUGHT happened, based on a warrant being served on JM. But he didn't have an address at which it occurred.

So the warrant served to JM is fact, but it being at the Celis' home was speculation.

HTH


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Well, I did state from my first post that I was unclear as others have posted ...It IMO is not made clear as it states essentially that the "THOUGHT" is based on court records that show two warrants being served at the Celis home in December. That is where there is confusion.. It is stated that his speculation was based on the court records that show those warrants being served there... and later a few more posts post reiterated that two warrants were served on the Celis home and that might have explained the CPS visit in December ---
It just confused me as it was suggested more than once that the warrants were served at the Celis home in December
This is just my understanding of the posts....IMO

 

[DhyanaAZ]

any locals here?

how common is it (in that neighborhood) for there to be bars on windows. the c's neighbor to the east has them...the neighbor to the north has them (on the second floor nonetheless). if one were to be associated in any way with drug smuggling or gun running, wouldn't you logically have bars on your windows? maybe a security system with an alarm? dogs that...er...bite, as well as bark?

thoughts?

It is very common for houses here in Tucson to have bars on the windows and alarm systems. Nearly every house has a fenced or walled yard in the more urban sections at least. I've noticed that in the "Gated Communities" fewer people have bars on their windows. Perhaps that is due to the sense of security they feel living in a gated community or simply because an HOA doesn't allow it. Many if not most of the more expensive homes in the foothills do not have security bars but I would guess that a majority of them have alarm systems. Within the city limits I would consider Tucson very much like other cities...not all cowboys and tumbleweeds like it is often depicted in movies. So I think many Tucsonans have attitudes toward security like in many other large urban populations, not just because we are close to Mexico. JMO of course. It may seem like I keep my head in the sand or don't get out much but I've NEVER once suspected cartel activity in my neighborhood. I've seen some pretty obvious drug users and I think I even witnessed a purchase once or twice, but I'm not even sure that's what I saw. (I stated once that I live less than 1/10th of a mile from the Celis house..that was a typo that I never got a chance to edit cuz I couldn't find my original post. I live approx 2/10 mile from their house) Anyway, I hope this helps.

 

[makayla]

yes i realize that. my point was for those that believe there may be a drug/gun connection, wouldn't you be one of those with bars on your windows? pan the street on googlemaps. they definitely have one of the nicer homes. i would surely have an alarm system or something. even if you lived in podunk, iowa...if your neighbors have bars on their windows, there must be a threat other than (gulp) scorpions. kwim?

jmo.

sorry, white rabbit, I was just responding to Shelby2 and didn't see you original post with your question/comments about the bars on windows, etc. - I don't know how people determine whether or not to have bars - from my experience I have seen more bars on older homes, but I don't live in Tucson so I can't speak for that area

 

[mck16]

I think it is very creepy and like he is using intimidation factors. And why RC said he was such a good father blah, blah, blah.

For the poster that went passed him while in the area that night, how do you feel knowing that it was Sergio and not his brother?

I am not the poster that saw SC, but I did read her posts about it. I am not speaking for her, but for myself when I say I was very moved by the feelings she expressed about seeing SC. I hope the poster answers your question so you will know how they felt about it. I did not get the impression it was a creepy thing, but a broken man looking at a vigil he wanted to be part of but couldn't be there. Again, this is my perception of their post. jmo

 

[liz b.]

It's the window...why would a would be abductor spend time taking the screen off when he could just have cut it ? I am wondering, if he opened the window to go in, wouldn't he have to leave it open,in case he needed to get out of the house in a hurry ? And,if he left it open,he took the huge risk of Isabel screaming and hollering.With the window open.In the dead of night ? Maybe she wouldn't scream.But maybe she would... MOO

And,if the neighbor woke up and heard men talking in low voices,and her dogs were going crazy at 6 :30 am, wouldn't the same thing have happened if an abductor had walked into the same breezeway area,and stood around taking the screen off etc. in the middle of the night ? MOO

To analyze it, that window was what first made me think that,as Fabiano Pacheco said "Things are not always what they seem to be " JMO

 

[white rabbit]

sorry, white rabbit, I was just responding to Shelby2 and didn't see you original post with your question/comments about the bars on windows, etc. - I don't know how people determine whether or not to have bars - from my experience I have seen more bars on older homes, but I don't live in Tucson so I can't speak for that area

don't apologize! lol.

my point is that it seems common for the neighborhood but the celis's are an exception. imo if there is any 'criminal activity' going on in that house, it's low-grade. meaning, not deeply cartel or FF related. though of course it could be. i'm just on the other side of that fence for now (subject to change lol).

 

[Prof]

Actually, the poster said this is what he THOUGHT happened, based on a warrant being served on JM. But he didn't have an address at which it occurred.

So the warrant served to JM is fact, but it being at the Celis' home was speculation.

HTH


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It would be helpful, I think, if you could point me to the post that stated that the poster did not have the address? the post that says the address was speculation, specifically? TIA! I just went through a bunch of posts and could not find it.

Sorry, my doggy is ready with his ball in his mouth to go to the park...bbl

 

[white rabbit]

It's the window...why would a would be abductor spend time taking the screen off when he could just have cut it ? I am wondering, if he opened the window to go in, wouldn't he have to leave it open,in case he needed to get out of the house in a hurry ? And,if he left it open,he took the huge risk of Isabel screaming and hollering.With the window open.In the dead of night ? Maybe she wouldn't scream.But maybe she would... MOO

And,if the neighbor woke up and heard men talking in low voices,and her dogs were going crazy at 6 :30 am, wouldn't the same thing have happened if an abductor had walked into the same breezeway area,and stood around taking the screen off etc. in the middle of the night ? MOO

To analyze it, that window was what first made me think that,as Fabiano Pacheco said "Things are not always what they seem to be " JMO

because he/she/they could slice their finger open on a slit screen? i wouldn't cut it, personally. i'm clumsy.

that said, liz, i sleuthed the gentleman who's been the coach friend of sergio's for some time and appeared on ng. fancy record with the tpd. will not post as he's not a POI. and guess...what? all charges dismissed.

this family & their small circle are beginning to remind me of another thread we post on...

 

[Prof]

Just a quick note on what I found odd with the coach/close friend thing...he stated on MSM that he had never been to the Celis home... I think Patty pointed this out on this thread?
Now I am really leaving lol

 

[BrownRice]

I was kind of shocked by the brazenness of SC leaning on the wall. I asked yesterday if he would have been far enough away so as not to be in violation of his voluntary no contact amicable agreement.

IMO, he was just far enough back to satisfy any distance requirements, kinda like "I'm not touching you!" whilst wiggling fingers within centimeters of one's siblings face.

Oh, and staring creepily over the wall.........ick.

MOO


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I didn't see it that way at all. I saw a broken man, longingly looking over a wall at his family and wanting to be over there and wondering how in the heck this has become their life.

I am not Pro-SC by any means. His 911 call gave me the chills and didn't settle right with me. But I'm on the fence. Regardless, I didn't get creeped out by the photo.

 

[BrownRice]

I am not the poster that saw SC, but I did read her posts about it. I am not speaking for her, but for myself when I say I was very moved by the feelings she expressed about seeing SC. I hope the poster answers your question so you will know how they felt about it. I did not get the impression it was a creepy thing, but a broken man looking at a vigil he wanted to be part of but couldn't be there. Again, this is my perception of their post. jmo

How funny. I didn't see your post before I typed mine. I completely agree.

 

[white rabbit]

Just a quick note on what I found odd with the coach/close friend thing...he stated on MSM that he had never been to the Celis home... I think Patty pointed this out on this thread?
Now I am really leaving lol

right. they only know eachother from the ballfield, for four years iirc?

yet the c's trusted him enough to read a statement to the press and appear on nancy grace.

ugh. i'm leaving too prof this case is giving me a headache. lol. :escape:

 

[cyn0matic]

May or may not be pertinent, however... My father had legal guardianship over my nephew here in Tucson. My nephew was repeatedly busted for weed and other offenses (many on school property), was on probation, intensive probation, etc., etc. I tossed his room one afternoon because I knew he was selling. I called PCSO to witness and remove the drugs, etc. There were at least two other incidents with the probation department as well finding weed on him/him under the influence. CPS was never involved. This went on for years and culminated in my nephew serving over a year at Catalina State (juvenile facility) for another series of weed-related crimes. CPS never got involved for the weed charges. Only when my father rescinded guardianship did CPS step up. They had no choice.

May be purely anecdotal and not the norm here in Tucson. By the way, same nephew has since been arrested at least 3 times in California for selling and served additional jail time. For those who feel that weed isn't a problem, I give you my nephew.

It sounds to me like weed wasn't the problem so much as everyone getting on his case, searching his room and arresting him all the time for smoking it...

 

[WhatsupAZ]

It would be helpful, I think, if you could point me to the post that stated that the poster did not have the address? the post that says the address was speculation, specifically? TIA! I just went through a bunch of posts and could not find it.

Sorry, my doggy is ready with his ball in his mouth to go to the park...bbl

originally I only skimmed the post and wrote it off as speculative rambli.ngs, but later same poster said something that infered persoal knowledge of speculated warrent being served on 12/16 .... I replied to some of his posts...trace back

 

[mamamia54]

Someone can correct me or delete my post but the way I understood what they were saying is SC might have done something to the nurses boys.

I don't even want to deal with attempting to understand this one. If possibly Sergio was involved with someone at the age of 25 in 1995, then that person needs to be shown his picture, or it at least brought to her attention, and let her decide if it is him, or if it isn't. AND, I can't imagine with this amount of national coverage that whoever this may or may not have to do with hasn't been reading the news or watching it. They would have to live under a huge rock. JMHO

 

[galiuro]

I have bars on my house, it came that way...it is for security, neighborhood a few streets over is a bit sketchy and they travel...

It's not because I fear the cartel is going to come busting in...s crap how Tucsonis being portrayed as some place where kidnaps happen on a regular basis...even the stats in Phx have been notoriously skewed for political reasons.

But hey believe what you want...it is it the Tucson I know and love.

 

[Aura]

Thanks Galiuro. Tucson really is not some drug fueled town, really. I know everyone reads about all the stuff, and think we are just a town fueled by drugs and cartels. Just like every town, we have our bad people. But its not any worse then say Detroit for crime, or somewhere else. We are a great town, with some great people.

The scene of SC watching from the wall, I agree with another poster here that I didnt take it as creepy. I took it as a father wanting to be there to support his family, and couldnt because of the restrictions. Im not on the SC is innocent bandwagon at all, Im still on the fence about that, the 911 call also gave me worries. But I think he was there as much as he could legally to be there for his family. Of course I could be wrong