AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

[Curious Me]

What tugs at me.
Everytime I go over how SC explained the last time he saw Isabel, and asking her if she wanted something to eat, I feel I'm watching one of those slow motion old Breck commercials as she goes walking by. He describes it like in a dream state, IMO. It's a visual image. I just wish I heard the part where one of the parents tells of tucking Isa into bed. RC did her braids, yeah I heard that. Didn't either of them kiss her good night and tuck her in?

 

[white rabbit]

Oh trust me...I thought the same thing when I first saw it...

....just sayn' :floorlaugh:

ETA....im hoping it is the same thing....haha maybe not? :floorlaugh:

:giggle::giggle::giggle:

 

[mamamia54]

What tugs at me.
Everytime I go over how SC explained the last time he saw Isabel, and asking her if she wanted something to eat, I feel I'm watching one of those slow motion old Breck commercials as she goes walking by. He describes it like in a dream state, IMO. It's a visual image. I just wish I heard the part where one of the parents tells of tucking Isa into bed. RC did her braids, yeah I heard that. Didn't either of them kiss her good night and tuck her in?

Whew, ok, back to reality, I wondered the same thing, do parents tuck their kids in anymore, or do they just say good night and the kids just jump into bed on their own? Not like it used to be is my guess.

 

[Eileen730]

Whew, ok, back to reality, I wondered the same thing, do parents tuck their kids in anymore, or do they just say good night and the kids just jump into bed on their own? Not like it used to be is my guess.

My kids are older but i still go in and tell them good night and i love them.
Never know if you will see each other again.

My neighbor lost both her kids in a car accident and she said to me she was so glad she told the she loved them when they went out the door. Sad!

But ya never know!

 

[Shelby2]

Whew, ok, back to reality, I wondered the same thing, do parents tuck their kids in anymore, or do they just say good night and the kids just jump into bed on their own? Not like it used to be is my guess.

I think it depends on the child. My son put himself to bed at an early age, but my daughter (19) I swear she would still like me to tuck her in!

 

[Shelby2]

Oh also when I had to leave the house at 5:30 AM, I always checked on my son who was still a baby, but not always on my daughter, because it usually woke her up and then she would not go back to sleep.

 

[Shelby2]

Whew, ok, back to reality, I wondered the same thing, do parents tuck their kids in anymore, or do they just say good night and the kids just jump into bed on their own? Not like it used to be is my guess.

Part of that could be what 'experts' say about getting kids to sleep, I know with my daughter the pediatrician said to read stories in the living room so she would know her bedroom was for sleeping..she had trouble getting to sleep most nights. It actually worked after a few weeks.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Whew, ok, back to reality, I wondered the same thing, do parents tuck their kids in anymore, or do they just say good night and the kids just jump into bed on their own? Not like it used to be is my guess.

Little Knotling is 10 and I still tuck in. Even if just to have a few quiet minutes to talk or cuddle.


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[white rabbit]

omg let's not do this again...lol...we each do it differently. period. last night i kissed spiderman who forgot to brush his teeth and when i went to tuck in darth realized he never put on a pull-up and i was too tired after a night of 'pirates of the caribbean' to care because they were finally asleep. call cps!

the point of this case is, that we don't know WHO was there to put her to bed, IF she went to bed, WHO ELSE went to bed, in what bed, where, and when.

BC braided her hair and nary a fact since. did she leave? did she and SC have a big fight? was SCJR home? did SC really fall asleep on the couch, and if so, was he waiting up for one of them?

 

[liz b.]

Actually,IIRC, early media reports stated that Isabel was "tucked in by her family "

JMO

 

[Prof]

LE (in the last news conference, I believe) gave their own, very simple definition of 'abducted'... not the exact words probably but they said it means someone took her out of the house, she did not leave the house or wander off on her own. I believe this was said very early on in the news conference to clarify their use of the term. To me, that says a 'kidnapping' is just a more specific incidence of an abduction? It would be good for someone to go and quote exactly what was said, I think.

Thanks. I remember this, too. They have repeated it. I think all three TPD members giving the pressers have stated it.



ETA Thanks Mamamia!

"There's no indication whatsoever that Isabel just got up and left the house on her own," said Tucson police spokeswoman Sgt. Maria Hawke. "She left through the power, through assistance, of someone else. Either somebody took her or inticed her out of the residence in some way, shape or form and so for that reason we cannot just say that she got up and walked out."
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Police-...151631445.html

 

[mamamia54]

Little Knotling is 10 and I still tuck in. Even if just to have a few quiet minutes to talk or cuddle.


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Well, that's what I used to do with mine, but some kids take it further and just won't go to bed, and I guess those kids are the most difficult to deal with at bedtime.

 

[Shelby2]

Someone hurry, do a look up for BBM cause what I picture when I see that is something NO ONE else wants to think about lol.

BBM= Bolded By Me

Ohh thank you lol.

Especially if you've worked in the medical profession

 

[AZlawyer]

Hi, guys. I was asked to pop in and clarify the CPS action, but I'm not sure what the confusion was. Hopefully this will clear up whatever it was.

Basically, there is a "voluntary agreement" between CPS and the parents that included removal of Sergio from the home. This can often stay in place up to 90 days. It is, as the name suggests, a voluntary agreement, but most of the time it's "voluntary" only in the same sense that an employee might "voluntarily" resign his job if he's told, "resign or you're fired."

After the voluntary expires (usu. 90 days), if Sergio moves back in and CPS still thinks that's a terrible idea (and has some EVIDENCE to support that position), they will take the kids out of the home and the parents will have to fight that action in court.

 

[white rabbit]

Especially if you've worked in the medical profession

LMAO!!!

 

[mamamia54]

Hi, guys. I was asked to pop in and clarify the CPS action, but I'm not sure what the confusion was. Hopefully this will clear up whatever it was.

Basically, there is a "voluntary agreement" between CPS and the parents that included removal of Sergio from the home. This can often stay in place up to 90 days. It is, as the name suggests, a voluntary agreement, but most of the time it's "voluntary" only in the same sense that an employee might "voluntarily" resign his job if he's told, "resign or you're fired."

After the voluntary expires (usu. 90 days), if Sergio moves back in and CPS still thinks that's a terrible idea (and has some EVIDENCE to support that position), they will take the kids out of the home and the parents will have to fight that action in court.

Thank you for that explanation!!

 

[Shelby2]

Hi, guys. I was asked to pop in and clarify the CPS action, but I'm not sure what the confusion was. Hopefully this will clear up whatever it was.

Basically, there is a "voluntary agreement" between CPS and the parents that included removal of Sergio from the home. This can often stay in place up to 90 days. It is, as the name suggests, a voluntary agreement, but most of the time it's "voluntary" only in the same sense that an employee might "voluntarily" resign his job if he's told, "resign or you're fired."

After the voluntary expires (usu. 90 days), if Sergio moves back in and CPS still thinks that's a terrible idea (and has some EVIDENCE to support that position), they will take the kids out of the home and the parents will have to fight that action in court.

Thanks AZlawyer, that was me stalking you
The confusion was "we don't know if it's an order" that's what some were questioning.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Well, that's what I used to do with mine, but some kids take it further and just won't go to bed, and I guess those kids are the most difficult to deal with at bedtime.

Oh, I agree! I have always felt very lucky that Knotling unplugged like a vacuum cleaner every night. She goes full throttle all day and just wears herself slap out so she is ready for bed! She also has ADHD so the tuck in routine helps a bunch.

I'd be a wreck if I had bedtime struggles!


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[pieper4]

Hi, guys. I was asked to pop in and clarify the CPS action, but I'm not sure what the confusion was. Hopefully this will clear up whatever it was.

Basically, there is a "voluntary agreement" between CPS and the parents that included removal of Sergio from the home. This can often stay in place up to 90 days. It is, as the name suggests, a voluntary agreement, but most of the time it's "voluntary" only in the same sense that an employee might "voluntarily" resign his job if he's told, "resign or you're fired."

After the voluntary expires (usu. 90 days), if Sergio moves back in and CPS still thinks that's a terrible idea (and has some EVIDENCE to support that position), they will take the kids out of the home and the parents will have to fight that action in court.

Thanks for the re-explanation. I remember seeing your posts on this a bit ago.

Maybe one of the questions now is the legality of releasing CPS actions to the public. Are they protected/restricted from public announcement? (I imagine not, since LE has announced them... LOL). Are there any ethical considerations vis a vis the public? I believe those court records are NOT in the public domain... correct?

 

[Curious Me]

It was such a strong visual image that SC was able to convey that had to do with memory, but not sure if I'm questioning if it comes from a place of memory. It also leaves me hanging, waiting for the rest, but from there Isa just floats away.