AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

[Hatfield]

All JMO,

Regarding him being a "coach" of a little league team. Even though he (or they) can be totally innocent, if any one of us had a son or daughter playing on the team, and all we knew was what is known now, (which includes some sort of CPS calls, LE calls, cannot see his kids, daughter went missing, etc. etc.)., I feel pretty confortable most all of us would have valid concerns about letting him continue to be a coach of our own kids.

We would have very valid reasons to be concerned, until the truth finally is found out by LE as to what has happened to that poor girl.

 

[prima.facie]

Thanks Galiuro. Tucson really is not some drug fueled town, really. I know everyone reads about all the stuff, and think we are just a town fueled by drugs and cartels. Just like every town, we have our bad people. But its not any worse then say Detroit for crime, or somewhere else. We are a great town, with some great people.

It is kind of funny how cities can gain a reputation that spreads across the country...:waitasec:

I grew up in Dallas....and the reputation I always hear (from others outside of TX) are all the women are (real and fake) blondes with big hair and with huge fake , drip in diamonds and designer clothes, handbags and shoes and all the men wear cowboy hats and spurs on their boots and everyone drives a truck and swims in oil. :giggle:

Being a native (born & raised), I wont comment on how true or not it is................ :floorlaugh:

 

[FrayedKnot]

Regarding the CPS issue here's what I think from looking at court records... In December a Warrant was served for JM at the residence and it took 2 attempts to serve the warrant on the first visit to serve the warrant parents maybe were not home at the moment and left with the 14 yo in charge and it was probably for something stupid like the dad was down the street at his mothers or ran to get fast food or something stupid plus it was December they could have been out Christmas shopping and the stupid process server put in for CPS Flag for check-up ... it's AZ and they can be stupid like that... I've heard of dumber reasons for CPS being nosey in Tempe... This most recent issue however it's safe to assume while police were at the home investigating for evidence pertaining to the abduction, thier warrant was not for drugs or paraphernalia and something was found or seen in the search. Since the search warrant was not for drugs and there was no grounds for probable cause to be looking for drug items and it was seen or found in the privacy of thier home that evidence is not usable in court to charge him with a crime BUT it's not something they cant mention to CPS and cause them to look into it. You can't charge someone for things unrelated to your warrant.

Respectfully bolded by me:

Okay. This is the original post regarding a warrant being served to JM. The bolded part indicates to me that John Q Public formed a theory about this after looking at court records. And everything that follows is simply his theory/opinion.

At least that's how I read it. JMO


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[panthera]

Last week I went around my house and removed screens in less than 5 seconds each. It was no problem, I just gave them a little wiggle at the bottom and quietly moved the bottom out then the top slid right out. I did one with my daughter in her room and asked her if she heard me and she did not. I also just instinctively leaned it on the side of the house to the left of the window. HTH a little :seeya:

Thanks for the information. We have done things in our back yard that appeared to be "quiet" however the dog next door was alerted by our mere presence in the yard. And the dog cannot see us either due to a fence and a lot of foliage! We also have one screen that is difficult to remove, even from the inside.



MOO

 

[mck16]

All JMO,

Regarding him being a "coach" of a little league team. Even though he (or they) can be totally innocent, if any one of us had a son or daughter playing on the team, and all we knew was what is known now, (which includes some sort of CPS calls, LE calls, cannot see his kids, daughter went missing, etc. etc.)., I feel pretty confortable most all of us would have valid concerns about letting him continue to be a coach of our own kids.

We would have very valid reasons to be concerned, until the truth finally is found out by LE as to what has happened to that poor girl.

Have there been any reports of parents of the team being concerned re: SC? or RC or either son? tia

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

BBM

Those exact things have happened in other cases.

1. No one ruled out...not even family members of the missing child or children.
2. LE doesnt reveal any information they have discovered.
3. Other LE have said the same or wouldnt even go that far and only would call it a missing person's case.

IMO

Gotcha, thanks. I am not up on all of the cases so I admit that I am not all that knowledgeable about the details. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Madeleine74]

Thanks! Back to the original question, can anyone remember a missing child case where the parents were home at the time and ruled out as suspects?

I can't think of any.

- Danielle Van Dam case 2002. Within 3 days the neighbor was the main suspect. He was arrested convicted and sent to death row.

- Polly Klaas 1993. Parents divorced. Polly lived with mom as primary custodial parent. Taken from home during slumber party with 2 friends. Richard Allen Davis eventually arrested, convicted, and is on death row.

- Elizabeth Smart 2002. Taken from her bed while little sister pretended to be asleep.

 

[prima.facie]

I did see his photo in the DailyMail article and there was nothing sinister about it from my perception, imo. He certainly didn't look threatening. He looked sad, IMO, and there hasn't been one word said that he tried to intimidate his boys or anyone else.

Do we even know if they realized he was there watching from afar?

I believe he is probably genuinely sad.........but that sadness is not indicative of innocence...or guilt....he can be guilty and be devastated by what all has happened. He could be innocent and devastated by whta all has happened.

I don't think any of us can read into his feelings or state of mind by seeing him peeping over the wall.

Becky has already said the boys miss their father so why would seeing him be intimidating to them anyway?

I think you have hit on the question of the century, in a round about way.....

Obviously there is something hinky if CPS got involved and he is now not allowed any contact.

 

[Hatfield]

Have there been any reports of parents of the team being concerned re: SC? or RC or either son? tia

Thats a good question. Is he even still coaching? I am not sure if anyone knows.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I had to separate out fact from feeling when I thought about his making an appearance at the vigil, because I, too, felt "sorry" for him. It's a natural feeling.

But I then had to apply the facts as they are known, i.e., the reason Sergio coudn't attend was because of something Sergio did. The boys are not under a no contact order to not see or talk to their dad - so it couldn't be that the boys did something to cause it.

We can speculate as to why this directive has been deployed, and it is my opinion that the no contact order was issued so that Sergio could not interfere with the boys' statements to LE. I speculate that he has been coercing and potentially intimidating them.

These boys are witnesses to the events in the home that night and their recollections are important. I'm sure LE doesn't want them being "coached" as to what to say.

It wasnt about feeling sorry for him. I said to me he looked sad. It was an observation and had nothing to do with my own emotions.

I dont have any knowledge of why Sergio agreed to be away from his sons. It could be a multitude of things so its like picking blind. There is no order as far as I am aware. When was an order put in place? There again I do not know what the agreement consists of or that it states he cant see his sons from afar as long as he does not try to communicate with them. It seems if it was against the agreement he would have been arrested and we havent heard that LE did anything because Sergio was standing behind a fence watching the vigil.

Well if he was supposed to be intimidating he should have put on a real mean intimidating face because he sure didnt look intimidating to me at all.

How is Sergio going to 'coach' his two boys when he did not even speak to them or do sign lauguage?

The boys statements were already given to LE. They even brought the oldest son back to the home before Sergio volunteered to leave his home. So they have their statements.

Do we even know if the other Celis family knew he was there? Did his boy keep glancing over at his dad?

IMO

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[Donjeta]

Thats a good question. Is he even still coaching? I am not sure if anyone knows.

IIRC Joe Vega, the family friend who was on NG said that he had spoken with SC about a weekend game and he had said that he wouldn't be coming.

If he coached his sons' teams he couldn't go anyway.

 

[Patty G]

Patty are you thinking of the post Salem our Mod posted Bout rumors? If you are it is on the thread that needed major clean- up
On a iPad so I can not link it here for you

That is probably the one that I am remembering. Thank you so much.

 

[txanmom]

Thanks for the information. We have done things in our back yard that appeared to be "quiet" however the dog next door was alerted by our mere presence in the yard. And the dog cannot see us either due to a fence and a lot of foliage! We also have one screen that is difficult to remove, even from the inside.



MOO

I am in agreement with you though, that the window was probably staged. I was trying to figure out out how it could be done, though. I also ducked right in through the window and made my daughter let me carry her out through it. (my whole family thinks I am cray-cray now, lol)

You are so right about the dogs, mine didn't bark at me, but obviously they know who feeds them. I still cannot figure out how someone would have gotten her out of the yard. That with the fact SC admitted to being on the other side of the wall from her, and his remark that he no longer thought the window was the point of entry/or exit still has me :waitasec:.

 

[mck16]

IIRC Joe Vega, the family friend who was on NG said that he had spoken with SC about a weekend game and he had said that he wouldn't be coming.

If he coached his sons' teams he couldn't go anyway.

He said he spoke to SC because SC wanted to know about the boys game and how they were doing in baseball.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Have there been any reports of parents of the team being concerned re: SC? or RC or either son? tia

I haven't read anything about that, but to be fair, if my child played on a team and the coach was a POI in his daughter's disappearance and he had a voluntary amicable agreement with CPS not to have any contact with his sons, I would hope that the coach would be removed pending further investigation. I mean, you don't take chances with your kids!

And as a parent, I'd be hesitant to speak publicly about SC and not wanting him around my child. If any of the local rumors are true, no matter how farfetched, I don't want any skeery folks showing up at my door in SC's defense.

It's not likely, but again, I don't take big chances like that with my precious girl!


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[deanna82437]

Just throwing this out there .. mods please delete the link if not allowed. Just wanted to indicate where it came from.

coach

a. A person who gives instruction, as in singing or acting.
b. A private tutor employed to prepare a student for an examination.
tr. & intr.v. coached, coach·ing, coach·es
1. To train or tutor or to act as a trainer or tutor.
2. To transport by or ride in a coach.

intimidate

1. To make timid; fill with fear.
2. To coerce or inhibit by or as if by threats.

co·erce

1. To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel.
2. To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly: coerced the strikers into compliance. See Synonyms at force.
3. To bring about by force or threat: efforts to coerce agreement.

www.thefreedictionary.com/

 

[abstr]

If it was something untoward why wouldnt this 'woman' report it back then when it happened?

Why wait until she sees them in the news 17 years later?

I have a feeling this other woman didnt even know Sergio Celis.

IIRC, it was suggested to show your friend a recent photo of RC to see if it is the person she was involved with back in the 90's rather then us speculating on what may have or may not have happened.

Not my friend. I was the person questioning the post

 

[txanmom]

I will say one thing, I am now officially worried that CPS could come to my house at any moment.

I had no idea there are so many seemingly benign reasons that they could do this.

I was always under the impression where there is smoke, there is fire, but from hearing so many different scenarios, it seems everyone is at risk, no matter how well you think your parenting is. JMOO (the you was not directed at anyone, just a general you as in people).

 

[abstr]

He said he spoke to SC because SC wanted to know about the boys game and how they were doing in baseball.

I would love to see the transcript of NG because that is not what I remember at all.

 

[mck16]

I haven't read anything about that, but to be fair, if my child played on a team and the coach was a POI in his daughter's disappearance and he had a voluntary amicable agreement with CPS not to have any contact with his sons, I would hope that the coach would be removed pending further investigation. I mean, you don't take chances with your kids!

And as a parent, I'd be hesitant to speak publicly about SC and not wanting him around my child. If any of the local rumors are true, no matter how farfetched, I don't want any skeery folks showing up at my door in SC's defense.

It's not likely, but again, I don't take big chances like that with my precious girl!



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I understand that. but I guess it would also depend upon how you felt about the particular coach. How long you had known him, etc. My boys when they played little league would have the same coach year after year.

Those people were not only coaches but friends and if anything bad were to come up it would be thoroughly checked out before judgements were made based on rumors, etc. Thank goodness nothing ever did. I would be more concerned about a school bus driver than a coach. jmo