AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

[abstr]

It's a double edged sword really, IMO.

The first thought is, oh, a person who volunteers his time, gets along with kids, it must be a good person.

Then, a child disappears, LE won't clear the parents, tell the father not to have contact with his children. The thought of possible sexual abuse enters people's minds. Suddenly, being a coach looks possibly sinister because some creepy people volunteer to be near kids.

I get it. I do stand behind my thought that stating that as soon as someone is known to be a coach it raises questions. In the big scheme I don't know what I think of SG but to indict all coaches as raising suspcsion....to me is wrong.
Everything I say is completely my opinion and MOO

 

[mamamia54]

I just watched that Fox News report! http://video.foxnews.com/v/1647897013001/where-is-isabel-celis

Seriously, people need to listen and watch that video.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I will say one thing, I am now officially worried that CPS could come to my house at any moment.

I had no idea there are so many seemingly benign reasons that they could do this.

I was always under the impression where there is smoke, there is fire, but from hearing so many different scenarios, it seems everyone is at risk, no matter how well you think your parenting is. JMOO (the you was not directed at anyone, just a general you as in people).

Don't feel bad! I do not personally know one family ever visited by CPS and I have also been teaching for ten years and have never had a student whose family was being investigated.

I am starting to think I have been living under a rock. Or just VERY lucky. Yipes!


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[oceanblueeyes]

This is a bit confusing imo.

On the 15th JV says they spoke on the phone and SC's son wasn't coming to the game.
On the 17th he says that they spoke about how his son did in the game. The game he wasn't coming to?

It's not important to me whether the son was in the game or not but I just wonder what they really spoke about.

Yes, he asked his friend how the game went that his son played since Sergio couldnt be there.

IMO

 

[Lark2]

I have said this on one of the zillions of threads :giggle: but IMO there was the perfect storm of opportunity for some random stranger to abduct Isa. Someone literally won the lottery or else consulted a gypsy to find out if their stars were aligned because EVERYTHING PERFECTLY LINED UP for them to remove her w/out a trace (allegedly - since we really don't know what evidence has been collected) and w/out a human or dog hearing a thing.

With that said....we really don't know where dad was from 11 until he allegedly found her missing at 8. Nor do we know where mom was. Nor do we know where the boys were. Nor do we know if anyone left the house at any given time after everyone allegedly got home. In fact, everything said is nothing but an allegation....for us. We don't even know if anything he has said is true or that what mom has said is true.

:banghead: this case hurts my head as much as the baby Lisa case did.

Indeed. Which is why, to me, the 911 calls are so important.

 

[Donjeta]

I get it. I do stand behind my thought that stating that as soon as someone is known to be a coach it raises questions. In the big scheme I don't know what I think of SG but to indict all coaches as raising suspcsion....to me is wrong.
Everything I say is completely my opinion and MOO

I think it's more that as soon as a missing child's parent who is under CPS spotlight is known to frequently associate with lots of other kids it raises questions.

 

[mck16]

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Joining me there in Tucson is Greg Overzat. Gregg Paul is with us, Jean Casarez in the field.

Joining me right now is close friend of the Celis family Joe Vega, who is a friend of Isabel`s father and mother. Joe, did you have any idea that CPS, Child Protective Services, had been in the Celis home already?

JOE VEGA, CELIS FAMILY FRIEND: No, today was the first I`ve heard of it.

GRACE: Now, Joe, you believe that the Celises are your friends and that Sergio Celis is a very close friend, do you not?

VEGA: Yes.

GRACE: And up until this point, you have been unwavering. You have supported him fully. Now that you know Child Protective Services has already been called to the home before this, does that change your opinion in any way?

VEGA: No, it doesn`t. I don`t know why Child Protective Services was called. It could be a number of reasons. Who knows who called. Could be a neighbor.

GRACE: When you say -- when you say...

VEGA: You know, we don`t know the situation. But I do know -- but I do know the family.

GRACE: When you say Child Protective Services could have been called for a number of reasons, what are the reasons with which you are familiar that Child Protective Services are called into a home?

VEGA: Well, mainly for abuse, things like that. But we don`t know who called. What if it`s a neighbor that -- where the kids were playing outside too loud and the neighbors called or something like that? You know, I don`t have the facts. I just heard about this today. I don`t have the facts.

But I know the family and I know how close the family is. So until I hear something definitive on why CPS was called, my feelings of the family do not change.

GRACE: Mr. Vega, have you been in the family home before?

VEGA: No, I have not.

GRACE: What did Mr. Celis, Sergio Celis, say to you regarding his phone lines being monitored?

VEGA: He didn`t say anything to me. I spoke with him the other night to let him know how his son did at our Little League game.[B] And all he had told me was, you know, I`m sorry, I can`t talk that long, I need to get off the phone. And I didn`t ask him why. You know, I`m not going to -- I`m not going to grill my friend. He`s going through enough right now. I`m not going to grill him over anything like that.


Going back and reading the transcripts is really very interesting and an excellent tool for getting facts right. At least I think so. jmo

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[obody]

I just wonder, if there is nothing to it, why did SC agree to stop all contact with his sons? If there is no evidence that warrants it, many parents would rather take their chances in court than stop seeing their kids.

When CPS was investigating the then-husband of a friend of mine, I got the impression that if he hadn't agreed to no contact, they would have removed the kids completely until they had investigated and it had been resolved in court.

 

[marazul]

I did see his photo in the DailyMail article and there was nothing sinister about it from my perception, imo. He certainly didn't look threatening. He looked sad, IMO, and there hasn't been one word said that he tried to intimidate his boys or anyone else.

Do we even know if they realized he was there watching from afar?

Becky has already said the boys miss their father so why would seeing him be intimidating to them anyway?

Since we discuss so much what if he's guilty scenarios, I have to think about what if he's not. Imagining myself in RC's shoes if she is innocent and truly believes SC is, as well..having SC removed has to be incredibly painful for the whole family in that scenario. I would really need my husband if I was in her shoes and if I had no reason to suspect him. Clearly she knows why he has been asked to have no contact with the boys, and clearly she knows why CPS was called in December, and neither if those things have caused her to distance herself from supporting him. JMO.

 

[abstr]

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Joining me there in Tucson is Greg Overzat. Gregg Paul is with us, Jean Casarez in the field.

Joining me right now is close friend of the Celis family Joe Vega, who is a friend of Isabel`s father and mother. Joe, did you have any idea that CPS, Child Protective Services, had been in the Celis home already?

JOE VEGA, CELIS FAMILY FRIEND: No, today was the first I`ve heard of it.

GRACE: Now, Joe, you believe that the Celises are your friends and that Sergio Celis is a very close friend, do you not?

VEGA: Yes.

GRACE: And up until this point, you have been unwavering. You have supported him fully. Now that you know Child Protective Services has already been called to the home before this, does that change your opinion in any way?

VEGA: No, it doesn`t. I don`t know why Child Protective Services was called. It could be a number of reasons. Who knows who called. Could be a neighbor.

GRACE: When you say -- when you say...

VEGA: You know, we don`t know the situation. But I do know -- but I do know the family.

GRACE: When you say Child Protective Services could have been called for a number of reasons, what are the reasons with which you are familiar that Child Protective Services are called into a home?

VEGA: Well, mainly for abuse, things like that. But we don`t know who called. What if it`s a neighbor that -- where the kids were playing outside too loud and the neighbors called or something like that? You know, I don`t have the facts. I just heard about this today. I don`t have the facts.

But I know the family and I know how close the family is. So until I hear something definitive on why CPS was called, my feelings of the family do not change.

GRACE: Mr. Vega, have you been in the family home before?

VEGA: No, I have not.

GRACE: What did Mr. Celis, Sergio Celis, say to you regarding his phone lines being monitored?

VEGA: He didn`t say anything to me. I spoke with him the other night to let him know how his son did at our Little League game.[B] And all he had told me was, you know, I`m sorry, I can`t talk that long, I need to get off the phone. And I didn`t ask him why. You know, I`m not going to -- I`m not going to grill my friend. He`s going through enough right now. I`m not going to grill him over anything like that.


Going back and reading the transcripts is really very interesting and an excellent tool for getting facts right. At least I think so. jmo

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My apologies. And as I said before if someone states something then just be able to back it up.
Clearly you are able to and you are right.

Mea Culpa.....

 

[Frigga]

IMO - If he refused to agree voluntarily I think they would have opened a case and brought it in front of a judge. For whatever reason, they wanted to avoid this. Just gotta ask yourself, why? IMO[/QUO

Yes! Why indeed?

It is reminding me a little of Kyron Horman's step mom "Teri" and Sky Metawala's mom "Julia".

Hmmm indeed?

Where are you Isa?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Seriously, people need to listen and watch that video.

I started watching it but it was the same old news that had already been covered so I stopped.

Was there any new info released by LE on it? If so, I will go back and watch it again.

TIA

 

[FrayedKnot]

Last week I went around my house and removed screens in less than 5 seconds each. It was no problem, I just gave them a little wiggle at the bottom and quietly moved the bottom out then the top slid right out. I did one with my daughter in her room and asked her if she heard me and she did not. I also just instinctively leaned it on the side of the house to the left of the window. HTH a little :seeya:

Girl, if I'd have seen you over the fence doing that, I'd have thought you had a screw loose! Or were a burglar. Lol


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[mck16]

I would love to see the transcript of NG because that is not what I remember at all.

I have posted the transcript for you. jmo

 

[mamamia54]

Since we discuss so much what if he's guilty scenarios, I have to think about what if he's not. Imagining myself in RC's shoes if she is innocent and truly believes SC is, as well..having SC removed has to be incredibly painful for the whole family in that scenario. I would really need my husband if I was in her shoes and if I had no reason to suspect him. Clearly she knows why he has been asked to have no contact with the boys, and clearly she knows why CPS was called in December, and neither if those things have caused her to distance herself from supporting him. JMO.

And now, I'm just hoping that RC's prior drinking doesn't creep up with all the pressure that is being heaped upon her. JMHO

 

[liz b.]

I will say one thing, I am now officially worried that CPS could come to my house at any moment.

I had no idea there are so many seemingly benign reasons that they could do this.

I was always under the impression where there is smoke, there is fire, but from hearing so many different scenarios, it seems everyone is at risk, no matter how well you think your parenting is. JMOO (the you was not directed at anyone, just a general you as in people).

The goal in foster care is to keep families together whenever possible.If it is deemed not possible, the goal is to get the family the help it needs, and reunify the children as quickly as possible. Have been a foster parent in different states, they all have these goals.

They do NOT want to come and take your kids...for one thing, there are not enough foster homes to place them in...

In 20+ years, I never had ONE case that was totally unfounded. Not a one. I did have zillions of cases where parents would do the hard emotional work they needed to do to get their kids back...drug rehab, intensive therapy, parenting classes, job training etc. It was so inspirational to see a family healed,and able to really care for their kids...JMO

 

[WhatsupAZ]

Hi All!

I think anyone that makes false accusations of child abuse against anyone should do time in Jail! And not a week or 2....If it is done maliciously
give them a good hard sentence! Dont make it so easy for ppl to do this.

JMO

I agree, they $hould be prosecuted for attempted custodial interference...ring a bell in az?

 

[mamamia54]

I started watching it but it was the same old news that had already been covered so I stopped.

Was there any new info released by LE on it? If so, I will go back and watch it again.

TIA

No, it was just interesting me to hear them speak about the fact that Becky had the prior alcohol abuse which was why she still can't drive. So, perhaps my thinking that someone could have put Isa inside the trunk of her vehicle was wrong thinking, if indeed she can't drive.

 

[abstr]

I have posted the transcript for you. jmo

And I read it...and you are right.
I really hope I didn't just have to say to a man:floorlaugh:

 

[Madeleine74]

We don't know what is going on between the parents behind closed doors, outside of the media spotlight. It's easy to assume things based on what any one of us might do IF we were in their shoes...but that's not a useful exercise. We are not them, we are not in their shoes, and we simply do not know what occurred.

We don't know the Celis family, we don't know the parents, and we only know what we're reading or hearing through news reports, which may not be entirely accurate.

An incorrect way to approach a case is to project what we would do or what we might feel onto someone else. No one's personal situation or feelings has any bearing on the Celis case. It doesn't matter what someone else's child did and then how a parent responded or felt. This case, like all cases, is about gathering evidence, and projected feelings will not be part of a case that gets litigated.