AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #19

[Lava]

The pic on FB is his stepmother who is Becky's aunt, andthe kids.
JM is not an uncle, so if LE reports state uncle, it was not JM.
JMO

Well if everyone in the family referred to him as an uncle I think an officer would just put uncle in a simple report and the investigators would later determine the relationship in detail.

 

[Prof]

I think this Uncle may live close by and he may have been the Uncle LE told the neighbor about that came looking for Isa that morning.

IMO

Yes, this could be Uncle LR? or another uncle..but it is a definite uncle, and not a step cousin

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well if everyone in the family referred to him as an uncle I think an officer would just put uncle in a simple report and the investigators would later determine the relationship in detail.

The uncle has been mentioned twice. Once they told the neighbor that the man out looking for Isa was her Uncle and now it has been said that they searched the Uncle's vehicle.

I think they do know this man is the Uncle of Isa and has nothing to do with JM who imo arrived later in the day.

IMO

 

[time]

I'm still not caught up, but see a lot of references to 'blood' being found.

Are these all presumptive tests for blood? Because something tests presumptively positive for blood does not mean it is blood. They have to do a confirmatory test. Many other substances can test presumptively positive such as organic matter, bleach, etc. - in other words a false positive.

 

[Eileen730]

It is my understanding that this was a voluntary agreement, not court-ordered, so "banned" would be incorrect.
The other calls could be the complaints about the dogs barking as has been discussed in these threads.
This witness making this claim could just be his theory. No way to know if this is true or not. The witness may have just stated this to a reporter, and it means nothing. If it were true, I think LE would be well aware of it by now.
Ok, I'm outta here for awhile, things to do.

I think he volunteered so the courts wouldnt remove them from both parents!

 

[mck16]

Where are the docs you have read?
TIA

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crim...15fe69299.html

This is what I have read so far. I have asked if the 'docs' are published anywhere but have not gotten an answer. Docs were reported last night to be released today, but I don't know. jmo

 

[DIRK SCHILLER]

Some of the details include:

Detectives photographed footprints left in an alley near the Celis home and on an electrical box behind the house.

A man who coached baseball with Isabel's father, Sergio, told police he felt something wasn't right and believed Sergio Celis was involved in the disappearance.

A forensics team searching for traces of blood, had a positive hit on the driver's seat of a Toyota Corolla parked in the driveway of the Celis home.

 

[Prof]

LE in this case seems on the ball to me. I am not sure anyone in the family would tell police that someone is an uncle if he is not, when there's a child missing. JMO

 

[Lava]

Some of the details include:

Detectives photographed footprints left in an alley near the Celis home and on an electrical box behind the house.

A man who coached baseball with Isabel's father, Sergio, told police he felt something wasn't right and believed Sergio Celis was involved in the disappearance.

A forensics team searching for traces of blood, had a positive hit on the driver's seat of a Toyota Corolla parked in the driveway of the Celis home.

BBM - I wonder what he thought wasn't right. Interesting to see someone who knows the family and believes they are involved.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The idea was established one grueling night and into the next day that there probably isn't a meter reader. That most of Tucson's meters are read electronically and no reader even goes to the property. jmo

Why would a reader meter be standing on a box anyway? If ours did that I would think he had lost his mind.

Ours come close to our meter and zaps it with his electronic device and then backs out of the yard and never gets out of his truck.

IMO

 

[AZYaYa]

iTA1

I have always felt the reason is not what is commonly thought. IMO, this is for a different reason and we dont know what that reason is.

Oh did anyone that was interviewed say Sergo was an abusive person to his children or wife? Was that in any of the documents?

IMO

A father and his 14-year-old - there could certainly be tension there. An oldest child trying to break away vs. Potentially controlling father. SC might have suspicions or talked to him in a way that could *really* damage a kid. hence cps involvement if the police witnessed this or were told of it.

I think back to myself at the older boy's age and wonder if he ever snuck out and went pool-hopping at any vacant homes...and snuck back in. I hope he'd never, ever let a sister tag along.

 

[Eileen730]

Could the sons have had a friend over that night without Mom and Dad knowing!

I think someone went out that window but it was not isa!

 

[Jules71]

This gave me the chills, since I noted some time ago that it is possible that a perp might have known the layout of Celis home if the perp had ever been in the home with the same footprint in county records.
"State Department of Corrections K-9 units initially deployed a tracking dog that alerted once to the residence located directly to the south of the Celis home. A search warrant was served on the house."
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...cle_91fee6b2-df37-5c40-bc2a-20e15fe69299.html

I am still thinking there could be a connection between the assault on the six year old in the three girl case...just because of the similarities in age, possible point of entry in Celis case, and brazen intruder jmo

BBM above. I may have missed this information - can you please elaborate on the "three girl case"?

 

[Lava]

LE in this case seems on the ball to me. I am not sure anyone in the family would tell police that someone is an uncle if he is not, when there's a child missing. JMO

Well, he called himself an uncle, it could be just the term they have always used and considered to be. I don't think it would be meant to throw off LE or lie or anything like that, but if a random officer who was doing the search made the report and just knew him as the "uncle" I can see it being written down that way.

 

[AZYaYa]

I hope all the people involved in all these reports are able to read through them and the collective feedback might enable a huge leap forward in this case! So glad the police released these!

 

[AZYaYa]

Why would a reader meter be standing on a box anyway? If ours did that I would think he had lost his mind.

Ours come close to our meter and zaps it with his electronic device and then backs out of the yard and never gets out of his truck.

IMO

Lol - they never would!!

 

[mck16]

BBM - I wonder what he thought wasn't right. Interesting to see someone who knows the family and believes they are involved.

It is interesting to me that they report only pieces parts and not the entire interview. They leave it dangling for people to draw their own conclusions. Not sure I agree with that type of reporting. jmo

 

[Lava]

I know that they don't have meter readers, but what if the Celis's thought something was wrong with their meter, would someone have come to check it out, and stepped on the box to shut it (like another poster suggested)?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Some of the details include:

Detectives photographed footprints left in an alley near the Celis home and on an electrical box behind the house.

A man who coached baseball with Isabel's father, Sergio, told police he felt something wasn't right and believed Sergio Celis was involved in the disappearance.

A forensics team searching for traces of blood, had a positive hit on the driver's seat of a Toyota Corolla parked in the driveway of the Celis home.

Frankly I cant stand those kind of interviews. He 'believes' he may be involved? Really? Where is the evidence to back up his 'thinking' he was involved?

I can 'believe' a lot of things but I also know I have to have facts to support it if I am going to accuse someone of something.

Who else said they thought Sergio was involved besides this coach... when it is well known that some coaches cant stand each other.

IMO

 

[Lava]

Frankly I cant stand those kind of interviews. He 'believes' he may be involved? Really? Where is the evidence to back up his 'thinking' he was involved?

I can 'believe' a lot of things but I also know I have to have facts to support it if I am going to accuse someone of something.

Who else said they thought Sergio was involved besides this coach... when it is well known that some coaches cant stand each other.

IMO

We don't know if he provided any other information. He could have given a very detailed explanation for why he thought SC was involved and it is blacked out.