AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #20

[Jules71]

I don't know if it is ADHD. I think there are 7 letters in that redacted part.

Bipolar is 7 letters.

 

[FrayedKnot]

In one of the docs there is the statement that one of the boys has ____ then the followup question is if he could have hurt her and the mother said NO. I know from my own experiance with a person who did'nt always take his meds that this could have happened. It's any parent with a child with psycosis issue's worst nightmare. Not saying for sure that this is what happened but having read that in the PDF's it's not something in my mind that is impossible. It's a theory its not something I care to dispute for 4 pages.... It's merely another angle.

If a child has psychosis, maybe. ADHD is not psychosis. It is a difference in processing information. That is not an angle, that is medical fact.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well now, that pretty much shows JM wasn't living there when Isa went missing, and also was not there to knock on the neighbor's door.

It was the general consensus that JM was there, because of the short media interviews that happened, as well as the neighbor stating that the police said the person that knocked on her door was the "uncle". Somehow people put two and two together and had JM living in the house.

I always believed JM came as soon as he heard and he was out later in the afternoon searching when the media stopped him and that is why he talked to them.

I think at some point he had to return to whatever he normally does. Does he still go to college? Or do I have that part wrong.

IMO

 

[time]

This report also states that the people mentioned in it had not seen the Celis family for a year...a whole year...sounds like they were just into gossip etc. MOO

Per the money and JM

In the packets, the niece did say she saw JM not long ago at a race or something. Her BF said it had been a year?

 

[Taminator]

Im lost again. Where is the ADHD coming from? Was that in one of the files?

If not, with the boy being 14 I think LE would have to ask Becky that question.

IMO

In the first set of docs, Becky relays to the officer "He has (redacted)" regarding one of the boys. The officer asks if she thinks he could have hurt (Isabel). She says no. Or words to that effect.

I think we were all trying to guess what the boy has that would cause the officer to inquire if the boy was capable of harming her. ADHD is just presumably logical because some children have aggressive tendencies with it.

 

[time]

I always believed JM came as soon as he heard and he was out later in the afternoon searching when the media stopped him and that is why he talked to them.

I think at some point he had to return to whatever he normally does. Does he still go to college? Or do I have that part wrong.

IMO

JM's niece (I think) said he was unemployed and had lived with the Celis until fairly recent having moved from Florida 6 months ago

 

[FrayedKnot]

any kind of psycological misfunction is considered a form of psycosis which does not mean psycotic.

Untrue. So very untrue. And a person having psychosis is, in fact, psychotic.

A person with ADHD is not, unless they are also diagnosed with psychosis.

 

[Patty G]

Here is the thread started in the "Missing Timeline and Media Forum" for information that members want for safe-keeping, as well as media stuff etc.

AZ Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Document Dump (No Discussion)

Bumping Up Again ....

 

[time]

In the first set of docs, Becky relays to the officer "He has (redacted)" regarding one of the boys. The officer asks if she thinks he could have hurt (Isabel). She says no. Or words to that effect.

I think we were all trying to guess what the boy has that would cause the officer to inquire if the boy was capable of harming her. ADHD is just presumably logical because some children have aggressive tendencies with it.

You are all better than me, I initially filled that blank in with "nunchucks" :blushing:

 

[callyn]

I don't know if it is ADHD. I think there are 7 letters in that redacted part.

Bipolar has seven letters. JMO, MOO:moo:

ETA: also anxiety

 

[cluciano63]

Did anyone answer as to whether search warrants are in these docs?
If not, as I do not believe they are, there is very little way to get a handle on any of this, IMO. We don't know if LE went back in looking for the specific shoes, maybe taking some away, or what else they may have looked for and found or not found.

I think LE is only giving out the investigative details here, to show that yes, they are considering all options and also that they are not able to rule out the parents for a number of reasons, if not anything specific.

Personally, I do not have an opinion either way, as to random vs. parental involvement. But I do find completely random to be unlikely, and I really believe that Sergio not being able to see or contact the boys is a factor in Isabel's disappearance in one way or another. And this is JMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[FrayedKnot]

In the first set of docs, Becky relays to the officer "He has (redacted)" regarding one of the boys. The officer asks if she thinks he could have hurt (Isabel). She says no. Or words to that effect.

I think we were all trying to guess what the boy has that would cause the officer to inquire if the boy was capable of harming her. ADHD is just presumably logical because some children have aggressive tendencies with it.

ADHD is not a logical conclusion for a murderous juvenile. This is such complete crap and thinking like that has set back awareness of learning differences 50 years.

Let's lock up all the weirdo kids and perform lobotomies!

 

[prima.facie]

Well, I scanned most of the docs. And, I am still on the fence on this one. Has anyone changed their view since the doc dump? From reading here it seems to me that everyone who thought the family was guilty is finding stuff to confirm that they are, and everyone who thinks they aren't is finding stuff to confirm that they aren't. Lol, at least we have more to talk about. Oh, and pass the popcorn, I'm heading back in to the PDFs!

i may be repeating myself lol but im still on the fence and everytime i see someone post i lean in a different direction. lol

i am very opinionated and there have been cases in the past where i firmly stood on a "side" (for lack of better word).....but not in this case....

i dunno........i think aliens are still on the table at this point....lol

 

[WhatsupAZ]

Does anyone know who the Silverado pickup belongs to?

 

[Shelby2]

Psychosis is not treated w/downers it is treated w/anti-psychotics. Tranquilizers and mood stabilizers are also used.

 

[Patty G]

Did anyone answer as to whether search warrants are in these docs?
If not, as I do not believe they are, there is very little way to get a handle on any of this, IMO. We don't know if LE went back in looking for the specific shoes, maybe taking some away, or what else they may have looked for and found or not found.

I think LE is only giving out the investigative details here, to show that yes, they are considering all options and also that they are not able to rule out the parents for a number of reasons, if not anything specific.

Personally, I do not have an opinion either way, as to random vs. parental involvement. But I do find completely random to be unlikely, and I really believe that Sergio not being able to see or contact the boys is a factor in Isabel's disappearance in one way or another. And this is JMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The search warrants are not in the document dumps. LE has requested an extension on not releasing the search warrants. Unsure if it is for another 30 days.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I would like to download the PDFs on my iPad (I have a PDF app). Has anyone else done this?

 

[cluciano63]

All we know is, whatever RC's answer was about one of the boys, it caused LE to ask if she thought he could hurt Isabel.

 

[Amster]

I think the items found in the red car is a red herring.

If there had been ANYTHING that connected Isa's disappearance to that car LE would have immediately impounded the vehicle.

I know I may be crazy but I do keep my old shower curtains. They make excellent drop cloths when I paint which is very very often whether it is for us at home or at one of our friend's home.

IMO

Old, vinyl shower curtains are excellent for putting under a messy babies high chair! Or, a messy toddlers easel or table.....etc., etc.

 

[Shelby2]

ADHD is not a logical conclusion for a murderous juvenile. This is such complete crap and thinking like that has set back awareness of learning differences 50 years.

Let's lock up all the weirdo kids and perform lobotomies!

Well... ADHD is very often co-morbid with other disorders, both my kids have it, my daughter also had bipolar disorder and my son has only been diagnosed with ADHD...BUT he has been violent and hospitalized twice due to that. We don't really know what else is going on with him, not for lack of trying..

In any case, more evidence seems to be pointing to SC than to anyone else, including the boys, and anything relating to those boys should have been redacted IMO.