AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #25

[Madeleine74]

There have been 24 prior threads filled with all kinds of theories. You'll find it all from the mundane to the surreal. Some think Isa is off somewhere on a beach in Mexico (I guess sipping Shirley Temples). Some think the mafia wanted a 5 yr old. If you start reading from thread #1 you'll see all the theories you could possibly imagine and lots you could never imagine.

 

[Aynia]

It really bothers me the lack of interest the media and even LE seem to have in this case. The most recent article my search gives me is this one, dated Apr, 25,2014 (hope the link works as I'm posting from mobile ):

http://m.tucsonnewsnow.com/tusconnewsnow/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:q5yJyXdk

"I can't believe that we are at two years," says Sergio Celis, the missing little girl's father. "I certainly wish this would've been over that day."

The article has a lot of talk about psychics that I'm not going to comment.
I found the above quote interesting because Sergio is not saying: I wish this never happened... he's saying he wish it had been over right that day.
Also the article mentions the new room they decorated for when Isa returns with gifts and letters from people... ok sorry if I'm being very blunt here but shouldn't they be searching for her instead of decorating rooms and all?! And what about all that talk about the family member they think it's involved and then... nothing... like "he's not talking to us ". SERIOUSLY?! Someone has a daughter missing and suspects a family member knows something but he's not talking so they do nothing?
Every day I think about Isa, this is such a mystery, she looks such a sweet little girl I have my own opinion about what happened that I'm not saying because I may break some forum rules but I just want Isa found safe and justice for her. The lack of news about this case baffles me!

 

[Madeleine74]

I understand your hope, Aynia, but I'm a realist and it's clear to me that Isa is deceased and has been from day 1. Something happened to her in her own home/in her own room and the rest (IMO) was a coverup. There isn't enough evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt to arrest and charge the perp(s), so the case is in limbo.

What more can anyone do? Massive searches have not yielded a body. The case was very high profile for at least a year. Sadly, homicides that occur within a family are not always able to be proved and especially so without a body. Until or unless there's some kind of confession, more evidence is found, and/or a body is found, the case remains in limbo. Either way, little Isa hasn't been alive since that fateful night/morning.

 

[Aynia]

Madeleine74 I agree with what you said in the first paragraph of your post, that's exactly what I didn't wanted to say when I said I didn't wanted to break any forum rules since I'm a relatively new poster.
I know there's not enough evidence to prove a case but my point was towards the parents. Their behavior solely, made me reach the same conclusions you did. The 911call,everything they said in the interviews, their body language... they know something (I don't want to speculate on what ). But I don't think that what they know is that Isa is alive somewhere being well look after... no way, after so long. So what you said is the logical conclusion as to what they know.
I just feel very sad about the truth of what you said in the second paragraph. LE has the duty of doing something, they can't just wait for someone to talk. Ok I know they can (and probably are ) be working on it and not informing the public, but it's so frustrating having no word about the case. And again, all the parents talk about the "POI " family member that ended nowhere...
It's scary and sad, that a child can go missing and just a couple years after there's almost no one talking about it (well we are ) but I think you understand what I mean.

 

[lillygator]

I saw this bumped and I thought there was some news...sadly, no

 

[Madeleine74]

You haven't broken any rules. The police have broadcast their doubts about the family amid whatever evidence they've collected. But this case, like many others, is what it is. At some point you have to let go and believe the universe or whatever higher power takes care of things and realize it is not within your control. There are so many cases to assist with and good organizations to get involved with/volunteer for, that putting energy into something you can do to make a difference is a good way to channel those feelings of helplessness. Focused action and moving forward is a good way to go. It doesn't mean this case isn't important, but you only can do so much.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I understand your hope, Aynia, but I'm a realist and it's clear to me that Isa is deceased and has been from day 1. Something happened to her in her own home/in her own room and the rest (IMO) was a coverup. There isn't enough evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt to arrest and charge the perp(s), so the case is in limbo.

What more can anyone do? Massive searches have not yielded a body. The case was very high profile for at least a year. Sadly, homicides that occur within a family are not always able to be proved and especially so without a body. Until or unless there's some kind of confession, more evidence is found, and/or a body is found, the case remains in limbo. Either way, little Isa hasn't been alive since that fateful night/morning.

In a (BBM) nutshell, my sentiments exactly. :moo:

 

[sophiebelle]

In a (BBM) nutshell, my sentiments exactly. :moo:

Mine too. Sometimes I have a gut feeling or some hope on missing kids . I never did with Isa's case. My first thought was she wasn't coming home. She has such a sweet face in her pics, and I can't even imagine someone hurting her.

 

[ilovepierre]

I understand your hope, Aynia, but I'm a realist and it's clear to me that Isa is deceased and has been from day 1. Something happened to her in her own home/in her own room and the rest (IMO) was a coverup. There isn't enough evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt to arrest and charge the perp(s), so the case is in limbo.

What more can anyone do? Massive searches have not yielded a body. The case was very high profile for at least a year. Sadly, homicides that occur within a family are not always able to be proved and especially so without a body. Until or unless there's some kind of confession, more evidence is found, and/or a body is found, the case remains in limbo. Either way, little Isa hasn't been alive since that fateful night/morning.

I agree.
Isa never left the house alive.
Whatever happened, happened there.

I am still on the fence about who the perp is.
I feel very strongly that it was JM though and SC helped cover it up for whatever reason.
I don't believe he harmed or killed his daughter.
JMO.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I think Isabel's case is like others that I've followed in which LE is fairly certain about what happened to the victim and the most likely perpetrator, but they simply don't have enough evidence to file charges that would ensure a conviction. Sad, but true, and in the case of Isabel Celis, someone has probably gotten away with covering up an accidental death or even murder. :moo:

 

[rob]

I also was hoping this was bumped due to new info.
My personal opinion, in cases such as this, is when it's going nowhere, what's to lose? Put out all the info you have, on the family members, or whoever LE thinks my be responsible. This case and the Ayla case, I can't help but believe, there could be a chance of a conviction with what they have, which is certainly better than nothing. Can't they just ask the family, do you want us to take a shot at it, knowing there won't be another if it doesn't work. If these were my family members, I would say go for it!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Since LE said early on that Isa was abducted from her home I have always felt it was someone who knew the daily habits of the Celis'. Imo, it is either another family member or a neighbor from the neighborhood. Or it could be another case we have seen all too often where a stranger predator goes into a home and takes the child out without the family hearing or seeing a thing. And almost all of these families had dogs inside and outside of their home yet they did nothing to stop the predator from taking the child. Most of them never even barked at the stranger pedophile.

I don't think they will have an arrest in this case because they have no evidence who the suspect could be. I have never suspected the Celis family and I still don't to this day. There is absolutely no evidence that either one is involved. Gut feelings and hinky meters arent evidence and never will be. If that were the case then in the past the internet would have found innocent parents guilty when they were totally innocent. Thank God it takes evidence to prove someone is guilty and its done in a court of law and not a trial by the internet masses. If that was the case the internet would be sending people to prison that don't belong there.

All there really has been is assumptions and speculation just like the speculation that runs rampant in many other cases like this before the REAL suspect was finally caught. Whether it was the Lunsford, Greone, or Smart case or other cases just like them false allegations were made before an arrest. The Celis' are no different than any of the other parents who have had to suffer through the same allegations hurled at them. Until and if there is an arrest of the real suspect, they too, will be accused, even though nothing shows either one is guilty of anything. Its just the way it seems to go on the internet for parents who have children abducted nowadays. I cant remember one parent in this same situation who was spared.

Even when Jessica Ridgeway was abducted some found her mom suspicious until finally a few days later the CO police came out and ruled her out.

I wish all LE would do the same but it is extremely rare and almost unheard of for any police agency to rule anyone out publicly by name.

People are ruled out 99% of the time by default when the actual suspect is apprehended and charged.

I also think Isa could have been abducted for purpose of sex trafficking. We like to think this only happens in foreign countries but that is not the case. It happens right here and way too often and many of them are taken to Mexico.

My prayers are always with Isa and her family. I hope one day she will be found and be alive so she can be returned to her family who misses and loves her.

JMO

 

[Npcmcd]

"I can't believe that we are at two years," says Sergio Celis, the missing little girl's father. "I certainly wish this would've been over that day."

Maybe he is talking about people wildly speculating and accusing his family of terrible things without any actual evidence to support it, when he says he wishes it would have been over that day. Or people dissecting his syntax meticulously to find meaning that isn't there. Or people criticizing the actions of a grieving family as inappropriate, when they are simply people trying to live their lives amidst a terrible tragedy.

Maybe when he says he wished it was over that day, he means that he wishes he had left to find his daughter on his bike and he had found her down the street, playing with a friend.

Maybe he is still searching for his daughter, maybe the few blurbs in the press don't tell the whole story. The most recent revelation from a private investigator about a family member out of state indicates that things are happening that aren't in the press. People are looking, the search is ongoing. A lack of news on the internet does not mean that the book is closed.

I have also read many people criticize the Celis family for doing this or that (like decorating a room) when they instead should be searching for their daughter. Should they not work? Should they not spend time with their other children? Should they not rest? Should they not attempt to gain some amount of normalcy in their shattered world?

We are not robots. We are living, emotional beings. It is entirely possible and likely that the Celis family remains vigilant in the search for their daughter while doing other things in life. In fact, that is the most reasonable assumption.

 

[toetag]

I think Isabel's case is like others that I've followed in which LE is fairly certain about what happened to the victim and the most likely perpetrator, but they simply don't have enough evidence to file charges that would ensure a conviction. Sad, but true, and in the case of Isabel Celis, someone has probably gotten away with covering up an accidental death or even murder. :moo:

I don't think many people would cover up an accidental death.

I also think LE has a suspect but not enough evidence to name names nor make an arrest.

Another sad, sad case.

 

[Madeleine74]

IF there was sexual assault on a child and the child was then killed or somehow died (let's say accidentally), you betcha there would be motive to cover that up. An autopsy would reveal sexual assault and charges would pile on, and the perp would know he'd get caught and be in prison for life. Probably happens more than anyone would ever like to admit. The difference is whether LE can find enough evidence to charge (including of course a body). We know they do not have enough evidence to make an arrest because if they did, they would.

 

[Boodles]

I think Isabel's case is like others that I've followed in which LE is fairly certain about what happened to the victim and the most likely perpetrator, but they simply don't have enough evidence to file charges that would ensure a conviction. Sad, but true, and in the case of Isabel Celis, someone has probably gotten away with covering up an accidental death or even murder. :moo:

I completely agree that LE "knows" what occurred but doesn't have the evidence to prosecute. This case and the Lisa Irwin cases are similar in that regard, IMO. But, you never know, it might eventually get prosecuted. I sure hope so.

 

[toetag]

IF there was sexual assault on a child and the child was then killed or somehow died (let's say accidentally), you betcha there would be motive to cover that up. An autopsy would reveal sexual assault and charges would pile on, and the perp would know he'd get caught and be in prison for life. Probably happens more than anyone would ever like to admit. The difference is whether LE can find enough evidence to charge (including of course a body). We know they do not have enough evidence to make an arrest because if they did, they would.

True.

Reminds me of poor little Caylee Anthony. I think her mother traded her for drugs and Caylee was getting old enough to tell, so she had to go.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Gosh, it's been a long time but my friend sent me a link to a new article. It's best for me to hold my thoughts about it though.

Crime Trackers: Private Investigator believes he knows who the suspects are in the Celis kidnapping

...

Dan Baldwin helped Snyder start "Find Me." He's written a book about it and he uses Pendulum Dowsing, a way to find answers normally not available to our senses.

there's more at the link (note Snyder is RC's maiden name)

http://www.kvoa.com/story/28132093/c...lis-kidnapping

Of course this is only the family & PI promoting these stories to msm.

Here's something I read in an older article. Interesting they took a white hat from the toyota (red, parked on the side of the house, not running)

Taken from a car at the residence was a white hat and a vinyl shower curtain. The items had "dark red-brown or brown stains." Tests were not performed on scene of the shower curtain because "it was decided to keep the item close to its original condition and allow crime lab personnel to screen the shower curtain for possible evidence if deemed necessary."

White hat JM was being pointed at even back then (google images for JM have him with a white hat on in several pictures, even the day Isabel went missing). I'm surprised they went after SC around that time and CPS took the boys away, if they thought it was JM. Or was it both of them involved? (I kind of thought that all along. tbh) But who knows who the person living in Tucson still, is?


http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/1...-in-celis-case

 

[kimi_SFC]

Gosh, it's been a long time but my friend sent me a link to a new article. It's best for me to hold my thoughts about it though.

Crime Trackers: Private Investigator believes he knows who the suspects are in the Celis kidnapping

...

Dan Baldwin helped Snyder start "Find Me." He's written a book about it and he uses Pendulum Dowsing, a way to find answers normally not available to our senses.

there's more at the link (note Snyder is RC's maiden name)

http://www.kvoa.com/story/28132093/c...lis-kidnapping

Of course this is only the family & PI promoting these stories to msm.

Here's something I read in an older article. Interesting they took a white hat from the toyota (red, parked on the side of the house, not running)

Taken from a car at the residence was a white hat and a vinyl shower curtain. The items had "dark red-brown or brown stains." Tests were not performed on scene of the shower curtain because "it was decided to keep the item close to its original condition and allow crime lab personnel to screen the shower curtain for possible evidence if deemed necessary."

White hat JM was being pointed at even back then (google images for JM have him with a white hat on in several pictures, even the day Isabel went missing). I'm surprised they went after SC around that time and CPS took the boys away, if they thought it was JM. Or was it both of them involved? (I kind of thought that all along. tbh) But who knows who the person living in Tucson still, is?


http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/1...-in-celis-case

I wasn't able to open this link




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[Dr. Know?]

My apologies, I copied and pasted my post due to posting in the wrong thread, the poll forum. Hope these work. (Nope, one does to the newest article but the Tucson News Now one doesn't (it just did 15 minutes ago, hmmm) The white hat is in the court docs I think, so if I have time tomorrow, I'll post it.

http://www.kvoa.com/story/28132093/...-who-the-suspects-are-in-the-celis-kidnapping