AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 4

[ingra1327]

So according to the last PC, the parents had NOT talked to the FBI/BU yet...? So that means that they were not told what to say in their statement, I guess? Other than maybe some advice from reg. LE?

Not only have they not spoken to the FBI, that "may or may not happen". They may just gain information by watching "some of the interviews that are going on."

Gosh, Mom would still have been home at that time, and awake? Did no one think it odd that all these dogs were barking their heads off?

Somewhere on WS I read that mom had gone in to work very early that morning. If true, I wonder how often she goes in early and who would know about her work schedule.

 

[katydid23]

I don't understand the 'men's voices' thing. If 2 perps were stealing a child at dawn, would they be talking loud enough for the neighbors to hear them? Especially with the father and 2 brothers and 2 dogs inside the home at the time.

 

[cluciano63]

So she was possibly kidnapped at 6:30AM in broad daylight?
Does not sound right to me.

 

[sweetsavi]

Gosh, Mom would still have been home at that time, and awake? Did no one think it odd that all these dogs were barking their heads off?

I lived with a friend for a bit that had several small dogs that barked at EVERYTHING. After just a few days of being aroung the dogs, I wasn't investigating when they went bizerque, I was just ignoring or yelling at them to be quiet.

However, the males voices does make re-raise my "creep radar" of Uncle Justin. Remember how he was talking about her in past tense on the 1st day.
Maybe Uncle Justin owed some one and he knows this is their punishment for him skipping on payment. IMO he seems like that kinda character

 

[Dr. Know?]

Maybe mom was in the shower at 6:30 am, she went into work "Very Early".


WARNING: SPECULATION based on very few facts.
Let's see...
Mom did not tuck her in.
Isabel slept in her own bed (some say this is not the usual)
Dogs barking at 6:30 and men outside the window - while mom may have been in the shower or perhaps has just left for work?
No child like noise or crying.

All I am saying is how very convenient and in broad daylight...

Get her out of the house before the boys wake up?

Maybe a sleeping child was not 'sleeping' but deceased?

Just theorizing, don't shoot the poster.

The facts as we have been told is that Dad put her to bed and Dad discovered her missing.

If we run with this scenario, assume he did not have help, 6:30 - 8am is 1 1/2 hr window, she is 45 mins from home - tops.

No, I am not accusing him. Just drawing circles on a map.

I wonder if they just got back together recently, plus who's the real daily caretaker of the children.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Oohhh God...the neighbor actually is window to window with Isabel's room.. she believes that what she heard is whenthe abduction was occurring.. she says she did not hear children's voice, tho which in her opinion indicates it was likely that the abductor was someoneknown to Isa due to the fact she wasn't screaming or crying.. but ya know what neither did Jessica lunsford or Danielle VanDamm yell or scream andespecially in Jessica Lunsfords case John Couey was not known to her yet sshestill made no noise while being abducted..

Isa not making noise doesnt equal she knew her abductor IMO..

 

[Pensfan]

I don't understand the 'men's voices' thing. If 2 perps were stealing a child at dawn, would they be talking loud enough for the neighbors to hear them? Especially with the father and 2 brothers and 2 dogs inside the home at the time.

Maybe they had been drinking all night?

Maybe these men's voices have nothing to do with Isabel?

Maybe they didn't know that the guest house was occupied?

 

[cluciano63]

Oohhh God...the neighbor actually is window to window with Isabel's room.. she believes that what she heard is whenthe abduction was occurring.. she says she did not hear children's voice, tho which in her opinion indicates it was likely that the abductor was someoneknown to Isa due to the fact she wasn't screaming or crying.. but ya know what neither did Jessica lunsford or Danielle VanDamm yell or scream corbel andespecially in Jessica pinafores case John court was not known tohear yet sshestill made no noise while being abducted..

Isa not making noise doesnt equal she knew her abductor IMO..

Also, if she was already deceased.

 

[Prof]

So according to the last PC, the parents had NOT talked to the FBI/BU yet...? So that means that they were not told what to say in their statement, I guess? Other than maybe some advice from reg. LE?

I would guess if they were told anything, it would be what not to say.
The TPD made it clear from the get go that it was the family's decision whether to speak or not.

The statement today did not seem much different in content than the written statement from Monday. By that I mean, both were fairly general, a thank you to all, and a never stop looking statement. IMO TPD would not have advised father to speak about "demands" at this point. I just wouldn't think that LE would operate like that, when they are "keeping all doors open."

 

[sweetsavi]

which in her opinion indicates it was likely that the abductor was someoneknown to Isa due to the fact she wasn't screaming or crying.. but ya know what neither did Jessica lunsford or Danielle VanDamm yell or scream andespecially in Jessica Lunsfords case John Couey was not known to her yet sshestill made no noise while being abducted..

Isa not making noise doesnt equal she knew her abductor IMO..

Makes me think of Elizabeth Smart. Kidnapper used love as his tactic to keep her quiet. "Be quiet or I kill your sister" Fortunately we had her sister as a witness to know she was really kidnapped

 

[Pensfan]

Is it known if the Celis immediate family members were the only people living in their home? Were other family members staying there? Who owns that red car that is supposedly disabled?

 

[shana]

According to the earwitness (bolding mine):

"It just seemed normal," she said. "I wish I would have paid more attention to it. "I'm pretty sure that's when it happened."

Source LINK

~jmo~

 

[dsntslp]

Sure would like to have the layout of that house.
I wonder where the boys rooms are in relation to the doors.
Would one have to walk by the boys doors and take the chance of being seen if one were carrying her from her bedroom to the door?
If so, a window might be safer with a 10 and 14 year old in the house.

More SPECULATION, not accusing. Just theorizing here.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Maybe they had been drinking all night?

Maybe these men's voices have nothing to do with Isabel?

Maybe they didn't know that the guest house was occupied?

I'd think it's a tight area for sound & direction it came from with commercial businesses next door, the alley and no other homes to the one side. Was there a party somewhere? She didn't mention it in this clip. hmm

 

[MsFacetious]

No the case I am talking about they arrested the perp after they found her hair in his car. I can see the car, him and I can see the ball park. For some reason I want to say it was in the Dallas area. I will see if I can do some research and get more information. Wish me luck.

I didn't see this one mentioned yet... also taken from a ball field.

Shannon Melendi's murder?
Killer Butch Hinton?

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LegalCenter/story?id=2201120&page=1

 

[Prof]

The witness said the voices sounded normal.
To me that means that these men were not whispering, or arguing.
The dogs were alarming to her enough to wake her up enough to notice.
Then she seemed to be able to go back to sleep, after seeing it was light outside, and hearing men's normal speaking voices.
IMO if she had heard whispers, or arguing, or other not normal voices, she would have looked out her window.

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html

 

[dsntslp]

I wonder if she can be hypnotized to see if she can make out what was being said?

(Hmm, do I believe in hypnotism???)

 

[Dr. Know?]

The witness said the voices sounded normal.
To me that means that these men were not whispering, or arguing.
The dogs were alarming to her enough to wake her up enough to notice.
Then she seemed to be able to go back to sleep, after seeing it was light outside, and hearing men's normal speaking voices.
IMO if she had heard whispers, or arguing, or other not normal voices, she would have looked out her window.

I guess she heard these guys at 6:30 am. bulk & brush pickup? no noise b4 7am or after 10pm. Commerical business 7-7 I think weekdays.

 

[Prof]

Is it known if the Celis immediate family members were the only people living in their home? Were other family members staying there? Who owns that red car that is supposedly disabled?

I think TPD stated that only the Celis' immediate family lived there.
Do we know what kind of car that is?
I believe it is owned by the family.

 

[Madilu]

The witness said the voices sounded normal.
To me that means that these men were not whispering, or arguing.
The dogs were alarming to her enough to wake her up enough to notice.
Then she seemed to be able to go back to sleep, after seeing it was light outside, and hearing men's normal speaking voices.
IMO if she had heard whispers, or arguing, or other not normal voices, she would have looked out her window.

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html

You are so right about that. I am like that...normal voices, whatever...but if dogs are "going crazy" or I hear loud voices or noise, I look for sure. Too bad her window wasn't open that night (I figured if it was, then she would have mentioned that)