AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 8

[Lark2]

I dont think it is a generality at all, it is very much a cultural thing. Does that mean ALL Italians and Latinos are that way? No, but it is very much a part of that culture in my experience.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't attribute the parents' relucutance to talk publicly about this to their culture.

 

[Isabelle]

If I were the family I would have an attorney spokesperson already, at the very least but the problem with that is most people assume guilt the moment someone hires an attorney, which, as an attorney myself really pisses me off.

I agree they should have legal representation esp as concerns dealing with multiple agencies as concerns their lost child.

 

[marazul]

with all respect to religious communities and people, all this "keep praying" as the slogan is kind of getting under my skin. Keep praying, sure, but DO SOMETHING TANGIBLE at the same time, prayers might motivate people to call in tips, prayers might make God divinely intervene and bring her home safe, I am not saying this is not possible, that above article that said "above all, keep praying"... I don't know, that bothered me, it sounded like resignation, like "well, we have done about all we can, so lets pray, because nothing else will work".
just venting.

 

[Lark2]

Well that is your right to believe but it is wrong, very wrong, to assume anyone who hires representation is guilty or has something to hide.

I wont get in to that further because I wont be able to keep my emotions in check, its a grave and serious matter IMO to assume that of people who hire attorneys. It is discrimination of the highest rank.

There are countless reasons to hire an attorney in a case like this none of which imply guilt.

Let's make the distinction clear here: I don't mean a media rep or an attorney to advise about setting up a foundation. I'm talking about a defense attorney.

Getting a spokesperson is another matter.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Well, lookie here! I left the computer to empty the dryer and returned to find Isabel's picture and this video link on my Comcast homepage:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/is...co/2228684904/fanNews/newest/?cid=hero_sf_itn

Is this from today's GMA or is this from last Friday's show?

 

[PAXIMUS]

An attorney does much more than represent a guilty person. Just like all these benefits and money raisers. Who is taking care of this and the reward fund. I wouldn't know what to do. I would certainly need an advisor. jmo

Exactly, its a freaking maze for the average person and it is good to have a professional to help you get through that maze. You dont have to hire the best criminal defense attorney right out of the gate but there is nothing wrong with hiring an attorney who can be there for you to help with matters you mention at the very least.

 

[thefragile7393]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't attribute the parents' relucutance to talk publicly about this to their culture.

After seeing it action personally in diff situations...I would say this needs to be considered at least.

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[Lark2]

An attorney does much more than represent a guilty person. Just like all these benefits and money raisers. Who is taking care of this and the reward fund. I wouldn't know what to do. I would certainly need an advisor. jmo

Different kind of attorney that I had in mind.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Let's make the distinction clear here: I don't mean a media rep or an attorney to advise about setting up a foundation. I'm talking about a defense attorney.

Getting a spokesperson is another matter.

That is understandable, although even a defense attorney can help with those matters I would suggest you probably wouldnt need a defense attorney right out of the gate, just someone to be there to help you with a lot of the things the average person doesnt understand in addition to being a general spokesperson to handle media.

 

[galiuro]

not sure this has anything to do with Isabel but here it is anyways:

http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-s...suspect-who-may-have-molested-three-children/

 

[Lark2]

Exactly, its a freaking maze for the average person and it is good to have a professional to help you get through that maze. You dont have to hire the best criminal defense attorney right out of the gate but there is nothing wrong with hiring an attorney who can be there for you to help with matters you mention at the very least.

Read above and I think we've sorted this out. I am referencing defense attorneys.

 

[mck16]

Different kind of attorney that I had in mind.

I gotcha but you didn't specify in your original post. But, thanks for clearing it up in your additional post. jmo

 

[Thinkzerz]

not sure this has anything to do with Isabel but here it is anyways:

http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-s...suspect-who-may-have-molested-three-children/

What is this world coming to? This is crazy that these pedos just come right into your own home.

 

[mck16]

not sure this has anything to do with Isabel but here it is anyways:

http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-s...suspect-who-may-have-molested-three-children/

Oh my. Let's hope it is the same. We need to watch for more details. If not related sure is a coinsidence. jmo

 

[TNGirl615]

not sure this has anything to do with Isabel but here it is anyways:

http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-s...suspect-who-may-have-molested-three-children/

Now that is creepy!! WTH is wrong with people???

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Exactly, its a freaking maze for the average person and it is good to have a professional to help you get through that maze. You dont have to hire the best criminal defense attorney right out of the gate but there is nothing wrong with hiring an attorney who can be there for you to help with matters you mention at the very least.

There several attorneys in DH's family, and we would not hesitate to contact someone for advice in any situation that gave us cause. I have already suggested the possibility of M/M Celis receiving legal advice from family or friends who have suggested that they not appear in the media. This would in no way make me presume guilt.

 

[katydid23]

A couple of points this morning

1. The drug kidnapping and revenge on the uncle kidnapping theories. IMO, not to step on any toes, but this seems SO far fetched to me. I understand that in known high dollar drug rings, things like this can happen, and in the old school mafia, but LE would know if this family had any such ties, the media would know, the community would know. Also, I can't fathom someone traveling states away to set up a child kidnapping as revenge for petty personal use drug activity. If this was a million dollar drug ring, maybe, but a record of a single guy who appears to be a non violent recreational drug user, what are you suggesting, that he owes someone 200 bucks so they decided to kidnap his niece as revenge? That maybe he used to help someone deal small doses of marijuana and decided to move, and that made them so angry that they decided to kidnap his niece as revenge? That is way too out there for me.

I honestly think this will turn out to be what most of these cases are, either the family did it (which I still don't believe), or a RSO or NonRegSO or a first time offender sexual predator took her.

The one part that makes me pause is that if a RSO wanted to grab a kid, you would think there might be "easier" ways, kids that walk to or from the bus stop alone, etc, but I don't think that this means the family was targeted because of illicit crime, it might be that she was the easiest target for this specific perp. Why? Dunno, maybe he lived close and wanted a quick transport. Maybe he was walking home and saw the family get back in at night, saw them carrying a sleeping girl in, watched the lights go on and off, and came back to grab her. Maybe he had his eye on her from the ball field or something. I remember during the Jorelys R case everyone thought RB (the perp) was casing her out because she played outside unsupervised, turns out he picked her because she left a roller skate outside and he decided to lure her with promise of returning her lost skate. It could be that random, a man with a desire to take a child saw this child and for some reason either thought she would be the easiest target, or wanted her enough to risk the things that made her more difficult.

2. slightly OT..We have a fence, and we had to break in our back door one night because my kids were at their grandmothers, my husband and I went out for my birthday, we took a limo, I thought he brought his housekeys, he thought I brought mine in my clutch, we get home at 2am and no keys. So he jumped the fence and broke in the back door. That episode had me thinking, do fences keep intruders out, or do they give intruders privacy to break in back doors or windows? My fence is for my dog and for my family's privacy, but would an intruder pick my house over a neighbor's because he would be hidden from view while breaking in? Scary stuff!!

BBM

I was wondering about that possibility only because it was speculated that he might have been a drug informant. If he had turned in big time dealers, and had them sent to jail so he could walk free---sometimes there is some serious revenge from that action. I wasn't talking about someone owing 200 bucks for some bud. I was talking about making a serious drug dealer angry by sending him to prison. Obviously it is a long shot. And most likely it is another sex offender, and not a drug revenge hit. I was just trying to think of other scenarios,because there were several things that would make Isa's house a bad target for a sex offender. There were at least 4 other people in the home, and there were three barking dogs.

 

[~n/t~]

not sure this has anything to do with Isabel but here it is anyways:

http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-s...suspect-who-may-have-molested-three-children/

:what: Holy smokes! He broke into the home at 2 am!

 

[mck16]

There several attorneys in DH's family, and we would not hesitate to contact someone for advice in any situation that gave us cause. I have already suggested the possibility of M/M Celis receiving legal advice from family or friends who have suggested that they not appear in the media. This would in no way make me presume guilt.

I would be very surprised if a member of the family is not an attorney. I agree with your post. jmo

 

[Janeumayer]

Well, lookie here! I left the computer to empty the dryer and returned to find Isabel's picture and this video link on my Comcast homepage:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/is...co/2228684904/fanNews/newest/?cid=hero_sf_itn

Is this from today's GMA or is this from last Friday's show?

Thanks for the video! It says police have evidence that Isabel may have been taken to Mexico.

:dunno: