AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 8

[krkrjx]

They said they were answering some questions, not that they didn't know the answers to some questions. To me, that says they are refusing to answer some questions and that they are not fully cooperating.

There is something going on here. These parents are not acting like parents really concerned about getting their daughter back or getting answers. The one time they were on camera, they didn't seem genuinely upset. They won't make pleas for their daughter or for information. They do not act like they are not involved.

So...has LE changed their stance on the parents cooperating? Because all I have heard is that they are cooperating with LE. That does not sound like refusal to answer questions to me. If that's your opinion, I certainly respect it, but...

IMO, LE meant the parents have provided some answers to questions but do not have answers to other questions. Refusing to answer is quite different from simply not knowing an answer. All along LE has been saying the parents are cooperating.

It stands to reason that if they were refusing to answer questions they would be refusing to cooperate. And if LE ever states that to be the case, my opinion of the parents will change accordingly.

 

[Theforeigner]

Another theorie/motive for the parents to cover up?;

Could it be that one of Isabel's siblings accidentially caused Isabel's death?
The father and another male family member staged the kidnapping
between??? and 6:30AM in the morning, to protect the sibling?
The neighbors heard the father and the male relative talking outside Isabel's window at or after the staged kidnapping?

Has there been any reports on the demeanor of the mother when she showed up at her work saturday morning?

 

[~n/t~]

I would encourage everyone who missed today's presser to watch it when it becomes available online. My take on the Lt. saying the parents are answering some of our questions was not that the parents are cherry-picking which questions they will and will not answer.

It's best to listen to the statement in its context between the reporters asking questions and the Lt. answering.

JMO

Hope it gets posted soon. I missed it and want to see it. Like I said, I'm very discouraged right now and heartbroken for Isabel and her parents. Yesterday, he said "This is not CSI, Tucson". I thought that was a slap in the face to the locals and to Isa's parents who want answers to what happened to this prescious little girl.

They're feeling the heat and it's starting to show. Hope they identified lurker dude regardless of what date that video was taken.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

I wasnt referring to you, another poster a few pages back came out and said they thought someone in the family had Isabel and it was all staged by the parents to make money.:banghead:

That be me! And if you read my whole post, you'll see I threw a couple thoughts out there, that being one of them. There are a lot of puzzle pieces that don't seem to make one puzzle and I've changed my mind almost hourly about this case. Didn't mean to make you upset but opinions are welcome I hope.

 

[PAXIMUS]

So...has LE changed their stance on the parents cooperating? Because all I have heard is that they are cooperating with LE. That does not sound like refusal to answer questions to me. If that's your opinion, I certainly respect it, but...

IMO, LE meant the parents have provided some answers to questions but do not have answers to other questions. Refusing to answer is quite different from simply not knowing an answer. All along LE has been saying the parents are cooperating.

It stands to reason that if they were refusing to answer questions they would be refusing to cooperate. And if LE ever states that to be the case, my opinion of the parents will change accordingly.

In the PC today they still said the are cooperating.

 

[PAXIMUS]

That be me! And if you read my whole post, you'll see I threw a couple thoughts out there, that being one of them. There are a lot of puzzle pieces that don't seem to make one puzzle and I've changed my mind almost hourly about this case. Didn't mean to make you upset but opinions are welcome I hope.

Nah I am not upset that would just blow my mind, I dont see that in these parents at all, but by all means your opinion is as welcome as anyone.

 

[Lark2]

I wasnt referring to you, another poster a few pages back came out and said they thought someone in the family had Isabel and it was all staged by the parents to make money.:banghead:

Hey, my friend, I threw that out there as a possibility because, no, I don't believe a stranger abducted her from her bedroom. And I stand behind it. Something's not right, but I believe that all will be revealed soon.

 

[Anita Richman]

Another theorie/motive for the parents to cover up?;

Could it be that one of Isabel's siblings accidentially caused Isabel's death?
The father and another male family member staged the kidnapping
between??? and 6:30AM in the morning, to protect the sibling?
The neighbors heard the father and the male relative talking outside Isabel's window at or after the staged kidnapping?

Has there been any reports on the demeanor of the mother when she showed up at her work saturday morning?

I haven't heard anything regarding mom's demeanor at work.

What would the motive be for the dad to cover up an accidental death? Remember that Isa is the princess of this family, their precious little girl. Also remember that this family is Catholic and it is extremely important for us to bury our dead in consecrated graves. The respect we have for mortal remains is such that I just can't see them disposing of their baby's body in the trash, in the desert, in a shallow grave somewhere.

 

[bwilson]

How do you imagine the police discovered the unstamped video was from the wrong date? Did the "company" come forward and say "oops" or are they taking the word of the 5 walkers that it was actually Saturday night? What a mess.

 

[~n/t~]

Yeah, I don't know what to think...LE seems frustrated that parents are not more vocal and visible on Isabel's behalf, I think...but maybe they do want to watch them answering questions on the spot, maybe FBI has suggested they try to prod them into doing interviews...who knows...

I wish we knew if LD tests were taken and passed...I know it only means something to people who believe in them, but still...it is useful to a degree, I think...or to know if anyone refused. This info almost ALWAYS leaks out by now...

Could it be they want the pressure off of them? In other words, if the parents do the media rounds, LE doesn't have to answer questions from the media. They'll have the parents to focus on.

What I don't get is their comment that they want the parents to go to the media so they can watch their reaction. (paraphrasing) WTH is that supposed to mean? Who says that? Seriously.

 

[SmoothOperator]

These are totally just my personal opinions and what it is that I "see" at this point in the case.. If looking for facts being listed then it's best you just scroll on past this post onto the next one..

I personally see nothing whatsoever that is indicative of these parents being in any way whatsoever involved in their daughter, Isa's disappearance.. From what little we know(which hey aren't we used to having very little to work with especially 10days in).. But from what little we know I can find, nor even find an area of reasonable speculation that is indicative they would have any reason or motive to ever harm they're youngest child, and only daughter, Isabel Mercedes..
Moo but I dont care if 5mins from now we get proof positive that either or both of these parents are in the worst of the worst dire straits financially and they've borrowed $50,000 off a loan shark that's now come due.. For me no matter what comes to light of how financially ruined this family may be.. IT DOES NOT MATTER AND IT DOES NOT IMO INDICATE EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST WAY THAT THESE PARENTS ARE INVOLVED IN THEIR DAUGHTERS DISAPPEARANCE..

Financial dire straits or not the vast majority of 99.9999999% of human beings do not find one of their children to somehow be the answer to the financial problem.. That's just not reality and IMO Sergio and Becky do not fall into that rare category .09999% that would be of this type mindset..

So, IMPO I have nothing of which to base even a speculative theory of either or both of Isa's parents being in any way involved in their daughters disappearance.. If I'm of that frame of mind(which I am) then I cannot even begin to express the confusion, frustration, and yea, even irritation that I have with how Pecheco has and continues to choose to handle this family within the public forum.. I will say this.. If it is indeed fact that these parents are absolutely innocent victims of this entire nightmare then IMO Pecheco has done severe damage to this family(and not just speaking of a little tarnish on their reputation).. I mean in much much more serious and detrimental ways.. But as of right here, right now just as I'm choosing to give the parents the absolute benefit of the doubt. I, too feel I should do the same for LE due to fact that I cannot come up with a nefarious motive for why Pacheco would blatantly choose to handle the parents with such coolness with some extremely passive aggressive comments peppered throughout every single public statement thus far given.. I mean some very obvious, oozing with passive-aggression towards the parents and I cannot for the life of me figure out why????

Again I really and truly cannot find any even half azz good reason or motive for how/why Serio and/or Becky would have in any way harmed Isa, benefit from Isa's disappearance, or after the fact cover up for anyone who did take and/or harm Isa.. I can't.. I really really can't..

My question is to any of you all who are leaning toward the possibility that either or both of the parents are in some way involved with what's happened to Isa... I am very interested to get you all's honest opinions and your personal "take" on the entire situation as we know it thus far.. What/Why/How the parents did so.. What exactly is it they've done(as in stage an abduction and she's hidden somewhere yet alive, sold/gave her away, killed her accidental or otherwise, etc, etc).. What is it that in your opinion that either/both Sergio/Becky would in an way benefit by having Isa "disappear"??

And then what is you all's take on the situation with LE(specifically Pecheco) and their openly, publicly extremely cool towards the parents and their statements literally oozing with passive-agressive slants toward the parents.. What specifically do you all believe could be the main issue that has LE seem to have such a cool, zero ounce of compassion towards Sergio and Becky?? .. IMO I don't believe I've ever seen LE be so outwardly cool and passively aggressive publicly towards the parents of a child that's MISSING except for in the case of KC LE toward the Bradley/Irwin parents of Baby Lisa.. Sadly this is somewhat that same vibe all over again regarding the relationship between LE and the parents of the missing child(and God don't we all know just what a blessed nightmare of a case that Baby Lisa case is.. And still it drags on with no Baby Lisa in sight)..

I'm just very very perplexed at the moment with what is actually going on here in Isa's case and am desperately praying that it not turn Into another torturous, never ending, no resolution, nor ever even any closure to the case and especially for Isa's many loved ones..

Tho, More so than ANYTHING else(including even my questions regarding Isa's parents and their seeming opposition to speaking out).. Yes, even more so than that I AM THE MOST PERPLEXED AND FLUMOXED WITH HOW PECHECO HAS AND IS CONTINUING TO OPENLY AND PUBLICLY HAVE ALMOST WHAT ID CALL DISDAIN FOR ISA's PARENTS!! What/why are the most concerning issues for me... And for some reason(unbeknownst to me presently) I almost feel as tho, if I can somehow figure out and find the answer to that question that it may just make everything else all make sense and fall in place.. Idk??

So, for any/all of you who have any theories, speculations, intuitions, or just opinions on the possibility of either/both Isa's parents are in some way involved in Isa's disappearance.. Would you please share what/why/how your thoughts are on this issue??.. As well as what could be the real issue behind what is in my personal open almost open disdain that Pecheco seems to have toward Sergio and Becky??

TIA
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[sherbetjello]

They are probably trying to put pressure on the family to cooperate more and answer more questions than they have been willing to answer so far. Maybe they've caught them in a lie and want answers.

Totally what I believe.

Parents are answering "some" of LE's questions.

Maybe all that means is they are giving whatever answers they can but they cannot answer all LE's questions because they don't have all the answers.

I believe this too in "best case scenario."



Are there videos of people that were at the baseball game and saw Isa on that Friday?

 

[Considering]

Did JVM just say a CADAVER dog got a hit??

Yes, she did. I missed today's presser but as far as I know LE has not stated that. Maybe Jane was having a "Nancy moment."

 

[Lark2]

Am I seriously hearing people suggest the family had her abducted on purpose to make money off it? Holy moly, I hope I am imagining that.

Please share what exactly you think happened to little Isabel.

 

[Shelby2]

Did I miss something? Has it already been said what the dog hit on? I thought they weren't releasing what it was one of the dogs hit on?

 

[Anita Richman]

Could it be they want the pressure off of them? In other words, if the parents do the media rounds, LE doesn't have to answer questions from the media. They'll have the parents to focus on.

What I don't get is their comment that they want the parents to go to the media so they can watch their reaction. (paraphrasing) WTH is that supposed to mean? Who says that? Seriously.

BBM. I thought he said that in answer to several questions regarding Becky and Sergio's demeanor, how are they acting, how are they communicating, etc. He finally just said (paraphrasing) "That's why we'd like them to talk to the media, so you can see for yourself and you be the judge." So, my take on it is NOT that LE wants to see their reactions, but the media should see their reactions.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hope it gets posted soon. I missed it and want to see it. Like I said, I'm very discouraged right now and heartbroken for Isabel and her parents. Yesterday, he said "This is not CSI, Tucson". I thought that was a slap in the face to the locals and to Isa's parents who want answers to what happened to this prescious little girl.

They're feeling the heat and it's starting to show. Hope they identified lurker dude regardless of what date that video was taken.

This LE team is looking worse by the day.

Actually, I think he is a little testy because he knows he has absolutely nothing worthwhile to say. And now its even worse. They have egg on their face by putting out the camera footage and it turns out to be the wrong dam* date. And look how long it took for them to even realize it! They are coming across as the Keystone Cops.

And some think something is up because they are not alerting the community that a predator could be in the area running loose. I say baloney. I wish I had a dollar for everytime I have seen LE do this same thing in the past.

I have seen that happen so many times that it doesnt surprise me this LE is doing it too. They didnt warn the community that a evil predator was on the loose when Jessica was taken from her bedroom neither did they do it when that evil ba*tard took Dylan and Shasta and tortured them for 7 weeks before murdering Dylan and bringing Shasta back home.

Do you remember when the Husted mom and dad were murdered in their home. The police had the audacity to come out and tell the public they didnt have anything to fear because LE thought the family was targeted? Well when the real suspect was caught he was a total stranger to this mom and dad and was known for breaking into homes.

So what LE says or doesnt say doesnt impress me much in a lot of cases I have kept up with. They rarely come out and warn the community even though they dont have a clue at that time who the kidnapper/murderer happened to be.

Saw the same thing happen in the Sara Walker case out of Texas. LE even hinted she was killed by someone she knew. When the perp was found 2 months later he was a stranger to Sara and an ex-felon on the run.

But this community doesnt have to be told by LE to keep their children under a watchful eye. I am sure they immediately went into overdrive and watch their children like a hawk now this has happened.

They really have nothing to say and they are doing this investigation at a snail's pace, imo.

I wouldnt be the least bit surprised since they NOW KNOW they put out the wrong camera footage that the tape they really need may be taped over by now. Good grief. Unbelievable.:banghead:

Just WTH have they been doing for 10 days? Twiddling their thumbs and just holding non informational PCs?

IMO

 

[Reannan]

The video was from the wrong date??? Hmmm... :waitasec: I don't believe that LE is just now figuring that out. I am actually surprised that we are not being told the video is from the night BEFORE Isabel went missing. Then, I could have imagined a scenario where LE was trying to intimidate the family into thinking they had video/witnesses to them leaving in the middle of the night with Isabel's body BEFORE she was ever reported missing. I hate it when a case is so confusing and frustrating that my minds digs into deep dark conspiracy holes!!! :banghead:

 

[Donjeta]

You can never underestimate the stupidity of some people and I think y'all know that.

Many people would hand over a surveillance tape that said 1:30 AM with Friday's date, when it should have been 1:30 AM with Saturday's day. At midnight, it becomes another day. Lots of people do not realize that. It is sad, but true.

But then the mistake would have been the other way around, a day earlier than wanted. Now they got the tape from a day later.

 

[~n/t~]

The victims described the man as a Caucasian male in his 20’s. At this time, deputies are canvassing the neighborhood and surrounding areas, searching for him.

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149538175.html

We have something at least. Hope they catch this .