AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 9

[nutkin]

I don't believe statistically that peeping toms generally escalate to something worse. It is a very common crime across the US. But, sometimes it DOES escalate into something horrible if the person isn't caught. It is the beginning stages of the evolution of a rapist and potential killer. BUT, it can also be simple curiosity. I think the age of the perpetrator says a lot about what the person may or may not become.

 

[Indy Anna]

I think she is saying she was told this when reported, not just now?

Yes, it's what she was told when she reported the incidents at her home.

 

[gitana1]

I don't believe statistically that peeping toms generally escalate to something worse. It is a very common crime across the US. But, sometimes it DOES escalate into something horrible if the person isn't caught. It is the beginning stages of the evolution of a rapist and potential killer. BUT, it can also be simple curiosity. I think the age of the perpetrator says a lot about what the person may or may not become.

I don't know. I edited my post to add some more info from a linked article. But apparently:

Many sex crime experts consider voyeurism to be one of the first steps towards sexually violent behavior. If a Peeping Tom becomes confident in his or her ability to remain undetected, he or she might be tempted to escalate to actual physical contact or more invasive observation techniques. This in turn could escalate into sexual assault or criminal stalking. It is important for Peeping Toms to seek professional help for their sexual compulsions and personality disorders before their behavior takes a turn for the worse.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-peeping-tom.htm

I think there is a difference between kids with a binocular, giggling while looking at the lady across the way who is always running around naked, and someone creeching around your house and staring into your windows, especially if they have to jump a fence to do it. I take that behavior very seriously.

 

[Indy Anna]

I don't believe statistically that peeping toms generally escalate to something worse. It is a very common crime across the US. But, sometimes it DOES escalate into something horrible if the person isn't caught. It is the beginning stages of the evolution of a rapist and potential killer. BUT, it can also be simple curiosity. I think the age of the perpetrator says a lot about what the person may or may not become.

IMO, if someone is peeping into windows, they're likely in the planning stages of a serious crime...looking for a victim, an opportunity, a method, etc.

 

[not_my_kids]

I hope that the three little girls are either unconnected, making it up, or have really active imaginations. I can't think of any reason for a kidnapper to try to take a kid while his last victim is still alive, so if these three really happened and is connected to Isa, it doesn't bode well for her.

For what it's worth, I think that the three other girls are either unconnected, or one had a dream, woke the others up, and filled them full of details, which they really believe they saw with their own eyes. Group hysteria is pretty easily induced, especially with kids.

 

[pieper4]

I live in the area of the three-girls' assault. We have had quite a few instances of peepers and one dude who tried to "snatch" a few joggers, one of whom was my hygienist. The latter was arrested about a year ago if I recall. The area of the reported assault is my area... generally called Tanque Verde, AZ or Tanque Verde Valley. There are numerous known encampments of homeless, normally single individuals, in the remote washes out here. Despite the fairly affluent and rural nature of this area, we are aware of these encampments and use caution when walking in the washes. For the first time in 5 years back in Tucson, I locked my front windows last night. Many of my neighbors are LE. Most in the area are armed. After living in NYC for 20+ years, I feel safe here. Far safer than in NY. I have no children at home any longer, and am adequately armed. Yet I locked my windows last night... But having worked in the security field for many years, I know perfectly well that a locked window is but a minor annoyance to those who are hellbent on entering a home. Normally there are lots of kids out on bikes, wagons, with parents and pets in the evenings around here. Nary a one tonight. A few adults, but no kids. It sucks to live in fear, and I generally refuse to do so. I almost felt "dumb" at 3AM when I locked up my windows. Lord knows in the Tucson area, we relish the cooler nights in the spring... before we MUST turn on A/C or swamps to sleep. That simple pleasure being jeopardized just makes me angry.

Apologize for the rambling and poor formatting. Afraid to lose the whole shebang again. LOL.

 

[nutkin]

The FBI says that voyeurs and rapists do share commonalities, but they are not universal. I think there are at least two types of window peepers. I think there are young window peepers who are basically looking for a victim and planning an attack for whatever point they feel brave enough to do so. And then there are window peepers who are just curious, maybe they aren't good with women.

So, I think the older a peeper is, the less likely it is some sort of evolution of violence and more likely just some pathetic loser. If it is a younger person, however, I believe it is more likely they are building up to something.

 

[Prof]

I don't believe statistically that peeping toms generally escalate to something worse. It is a very common crime across the US. But, sometimes it DOES escalate into something horrible if the person isn't caught. It is the beginning stages of the evolution of a rapist and potential killer. BUT, it can also be simple curiosity. I think the age of the perpetrator says a lot about what the person may or may not become.

I do believe those perps as described in this thread as "peeping toms" do escalate to worse, but I have no stats to back that up.

I think that those where peeping would not escalate into worse, are those who would absolutely not stand in the backyard between fence and bushes that belongs to someone else and peer through a window.
For those who are not on the way to something worse, those people would not be in the fenced backyard, and might realize...oops I just glanced in window while walking down the street, and self-slap.

JMO

In other words, once one crosses one line of ILLEGAL behavior, (a gateway drug?) what's to stop that addiction to thrill to worse? JMO ...

 

[cluciano63]

I agree if these cases ARE connected, not good for Isabel...

 

[liltexans]

I really don't think the girls fabricated their story. I'm kind of disheartened to hear it being dismissed by some. Most kids don't lie about things like that. And I'm sure EMS would have been able to tell if one of the girls had been raped (sorry to be graphic).

 

[Prof]

Thank you, liltexans. That's how I feel. Disheartended..

I said I would not post defending that this is a crime, but really! i don't even understand the doubt.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I live here and can't get enough facts on either Isa's disappeance nor the 3 girls. I'll wait, I guess. humph...

 

[thefragile7393]

I hope that the three little girls are either unconnected, making it up, or have really active imaginations. I can't think of any reason for a kidnapper to try to take a kid while his last victim is still alive, so if these three really happened and is connected to Isa, it doesn't bode well for her.

For what it's worth, I think that the three other girls are either unconnected, or one had a dream, woke the others up, and filled them full of details, which they really believe they saw with their own eyes. Group hysteria is pretty easily induced, especially with kids.

Making it up?!? Active imaginations?!? No. Just no. Active imaginations have talking animals or unicorns or what have you. I have no idea why they would make up a story about someone coming in trying to touch them!!!!! I have seen this under parent coaching when one is trying to nail a parent or other person unfairly for sex abuse but this is not even in the same ballpark.

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[Pensfan]

Thank you, liltexans. That's how I feel. Disheartended..

I said I would not post defending that this is a crime, but really! i don't even understand the doubt.

False sexual accusations by children are not always deliberate lies created by the children. Instead, the media coverage of pedophiles and the growth of child sexual abuse prevention programs has caused adults to become anxious about the possibility of their child being sexually abused. When the adults question their children, they may inadvertently mold their children's statements about an "event" with a supposed abuser.

 

[Kat]

We have local coverage of this, I watched it last night. I didn't watch the 6PM news here but will watch the 9PM news.

It is being reported that at least one of the girls was physically (also reported as possibly sexually) assaulted. It is being reported that all three girls were victimized but it is unknown to what extent.

Two videos at our local news link:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...rls-from-hawaii-sexually-assaulted-in-arizona

IMHO these two crimes are more than likely not connected. But that's just my humble opinion.

 

[Pensfan]

We have local coverage of this, I watched it last night. I didn't watch the 6PM news here but will watch the 9PM news.

It is being reported that at least one of the girls was physically (also reported as possibly sexually) assaulted. It is being reported that all three girls were victimized but it is unknown to what extent.

Two videos at our local news link:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...rls-from-hawaii-sexually-assaulted-in-arizona

IMHO these two crimes are more than likely not connected. But that's just my humble opinion.

It is bizarre, but this information appears to have changed according to the Captain's interview on NG's show tonight.

 

[gitana1]

I really don't think the girls fabricated their story. I'm kind of disheartened to hear it being dismissed by some. Most kids don't lie about things like that. And I'm sure EMS would have been able to tell if one of the girls had been raped (sorry to be graphic).

Oh, don't be disheartened. It's just the reporting that seems a bit off to some of us. You are right that kids don't generally make things like that up. But what they actually said and what was called into 911 may be two different things. Or not. Maybe it happened exactly as was reported. I won't dismiss it and I don't think most are. Just questioning.

 

[Dr. Know?]

4 little girls in Tucson, just horrible. It's just not right. Maybe there's other reports from that week that would tie the two cases together? Maybe a trail from Isa's to the girls? I'll check but I'm sure LE has already. I'm just hearing about peepers from before this all happened. Just awful. Maybe more will come out since the pressers are on/off at the moment?

 

[Pensfan]

4 little girls in Tucson, just horrible. It's just not right. Maybe there's other reports from that week that would tie the two cases together? Maybe a trail from Isa's to the girls? I'll check but I'm sure LE has already. I'm just hearing about peepers from before this all happened. Just awful. Maybe more will come out since the pressers are on/off at the moment?

The voyeur's activity at one-two homes in that neighborhood (the grandparents of the little girls) occurred in 2009. The little girls had this experience on their first night in the grandparent's home. The neighborhood is one with $300,000 homes. It is isolated, rural, and ends with a cul-de-sac.

 

[gitana1]

4 little girls in Tucson, just horrible. It's just not right. Maybe there's other reports from that week that would tie the two cases together? Maybe a trail from Isa's to the girls? I'll check but I'm sure LE has already. I'm just hearing about peepers from before this all happened. Just awful. Maybe more will come out since the pressers are on/off at the moment?

Yes. What is going on in Tuscon? I used to think it was generally a safe place. And I cannot imagine what the poor grandpa thinks tonight. His granddaughters come for a nice visits and this happens?