AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 9

[Kelly Faraday]

I agree, it is a typo and that is why I just stated how one word left out could change an entire sentence.

Sorry Patty G, Everyone's heart is hurting and I think we are all upset--to say the least--about Isabel. I often say that I wake up at night praying for these lost ones but it is the truth. If I over reacted, I am sorry. Please forgive me if I was out of line and thank you for all you do for Isabel and all the others who need help.

I cannot devote the time to these cases I could have in the past due to my work schedule but I do care. I have seen more "fighting" on this thread than I ever recall seeing before. I think people's hearts are SO broken because they just can't take anymore.

K.

 

[katydid23]

But do we know the uncle is the cousin? Also how is a family member living with another family member a red flag?

If a child goes missing from the home in the middle of the night, shortly after a male family member has moved in, then it is a red flag, imo.

We do not know 100% that he is a cousin, but her does not appear to be an uncle. And someone sleuthed through FB, a connection of him as the son of a sister in law to the family. I think it may have been deleted but I will try and find it somewhere else if so.

 

[Patty G]

Re: Mother went to bed before Isa.
~ 2:25 mark in video

http://www.kgun9.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1579064627001

 

[cluciano63]

If LE HAS had a suspect in mind all along and have been waiting for more info/forensics...they have also been doing a solid job, IMO, in pursuing all other avenues and not being narrow-minded, ie asking for tapes, contacting FBI and other agencies, looking in Mexico, telling people to think about anyone acting oddly, etc...all the things they should do, to keep an open mind. It would be hard to say they zeroed in and persecuted one person, IMO.

On another note, it is so true that these cases fade away if we are not hearing from the parents...I can't think when I last heard from Baby Lisa's parents, or Ayla's dad, or Baby Joshua's parents, or Aliyah's, just to name some of the little ones. And only rarely from Holly's parents, almost never from Hailey Dunn's, seldom even from Kyron's anymore.
I feel certain the local or even national media would give any of them air time, if they called.

Was also thinking today how impossible it seems that 2 years have passed since Kyron went missing (in a few weeks)- is there ANYONE who really thought we would not have a single clue more than we had had in the first few days??

 

[PAXIMUS]

I am not prejudiced against this man. I RESEARCHED him online before making my educated assumptions. There are many reasons to be suspicious of him, but they cannot be linked here. I imagine they will be made known at some point. But it is not just a hunch, or blind prejudice. It is more than that and I think more will be revealed soon. I could be wrong, but I think he is a viable POI.

Why cant they be linked here, his name is in the media it is out there, as far as I know he is fair game here on WS, someone can correct me if I am wrong but why would it be ok to implicate and suggest JM is guilty of harming this girl and then not be ok to link to reasons WHY THAT MAY BE THE CASE?


Here is my point though, he claimed to be the UNCLE FROM DAY ONE and now NG has a headline that they are looking in to a MALE COUSIN, NG and her cohorts know JM as the UNCLE and if they now had reason to believe that he is in fact the COUSIN dont you think they would make it clear in the headline or that COUSIN WHO CLAIMED TO BE UNCLE NOW BEING LOOKED AT BY LE? It would make more sense to me that they would make that clear being who they are and how they do things but they didnt they just said MALE COUSIN so how do we get from cousin to uncle.

You all may turn out to be right and that would be GREAT dont get me wrong, I am just asking how we know JM is the cousin and not the uncle as he and the media AND le have claimed all along?

 

[GutFeeling!]

There has been speculation that this uncle was living in their home temporarily. So that right there is going to be a red flag. And he speaks glowingly of his niece, which is wonderful, but also MAY have a dark side to it.

All along it has seemed like the window was a staged event. And because of the 3 family dogs, it seemed unlikely a random intruder took the child. Why pick a home with many adults inside and three dogs, when there are easier targets?

So it seemed to many that it was an inside job. It seemed like someone close to the family was the guilty party. And this uncle was the first person to pop his head up.

Also the person usually found guilty often worms their way in to the media and investigation to see where they are up to and hopefully steer them in different directions. I have stood next to many a murderer at scenes.

Not unlike the fire starters that call the fire department

 

[Prof]

It's not the uncle's appearance that makes him an interesting figure, at least to me. I have lots of guys in my family who are bikers, or just working guys, who wear big "dookie" chains (as we call em lol), some euro, some Hispanic, some mixed, that "look" is par for the course for me.

What makes him interesting is 1- the possibility that he is visiting from out of town when this happened; 2 - putting himself into the media at the outset; 3 - the possibility he was therre that night plus LE not specifying which family member put Isa to bed or saw her last.

This doesn't make him a prime suspect, obviously. But he is a "person of interest" to me anyway.

He's attending college in AZ. I can see this from his FB page. One cannot link a school as a school attending on FB without a personal school email addy. This I know.

I also know from his FB that he's lived there more than a year, so I am not sure that is considered visiting anymore.

I did see him on the news first day, but he looked very concerned to me. I have not seen evidence he was there that night. I thought LE stated recently that the mother went to bed before Isa, and her father tucked her in, but I could be wrong.
Evidently, LE Is not ruling anyone out, so in that sense I suppose he is a POI.
IDK

 

[dsntslp]

I didnt see any male cousin inserting himself in to this case from the start, do you have any links for that? I saw an uncle involved have you confirmed that the uncle is really the cousin if so I would love a link and source for my notes.

IMO the problem with proving the familial relationship of the "Uncle" requires posting the information of many innocent people to show the ties between them. We can't do that here, nor should we, IMO.

 

[txanmom]

I am not prejudiced against this man. I RESEARCHED him online before making my educated assumptions. There are many reasons to be suspicious of him, but they cannot be linked here. I imagine they will be made known at some point. But it is not just a hunch, or blind prejudice. It is more than that and I think more will be revealed soon. I could be wrong, but I think he is a viable POI.

:clap: This!!!

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I have had a feeling that LE has been looking at a very specific person/scenario from the start and are waiting for more evidence and that it will NOT involve the random stranger/boogie man. JMO

:rocker: Yep ... and I totally agree !

JMO, but I never bought the "stranger abduction theory" ...

:moo:

 

[LisaB]

And....Nancy:

Also-- professional cleaning crews have just pulled up to the family home. Why?


http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

LE probably left a mess, including fingerprint dust, everywhere. I would not be surprised to see that a professional cleaning company would be covered under their homeowners' insurance in a case like this... or perhaps a cleaning company is doing this to help the family out. Or, lastly, the family may find it too upsetting to do the cleanup themselves and hired someone.

 

[Prof]

IMO the problem with proving the familial relationship of the "Uncle" requires posting the information of many innocent people to show the ties between them. We can't do that here, nor should we, IMO.

IMO I don't really see the signifcance of proving how he is related. What does that prove? What can we gain from knowing if a cousin wants younger cousins to call him uncle or not.

 

[~n/t~]

He's attending college in AZ. I can see this from his FB page. One cannot link a school as a school attending on FB without a personal school email addy. This I know.

I also know from his FB that he's lived there more than a year, so I am not sure that is considered visiting anymore.

I did see him on the news first day, but he looked very concerned to me. I have not seen evidence he was there that night. I thought LE stated recently that the mother went to bed before Isa, and her father tucked her in, but I could be wrong.
Evidently, LE Is not ruling anyone out, so in that sense I suppose he is a POI.
IDK

So is all of Tucson, I suppose, if they're not ruling anybody out. What about coaches, teachers, friends, neighbours? Gosh the list is endless.

 

[LisaB]

First of all, I personally would consider that this is a very large family with many connected to RC on FB calling themselves aunts and uncles and cousins. (snip)

If he is the son of RC's sister-in -law, he would be nephew to RC, not cousin. Of course, unless he's the son of SC's sister, which would be a nephew by marriage. (snip)
In summary, if in fact, LE is looking at a cousin, I suppose there could be a chance that it is this cousin JM, if in fact he is an actual cousin, or it could be many of the other real cousins, or any of the "extended family" who call themselves cousins.
(snip)

JMO

Rebecca's nephew, whether by marriage or blood, would be Isabel's cousin, right?

I am not being a smart-aleck, I have never had cousins or aunts or uncles, so I don't know how it works... especially when you get into "fourth cousin twice removed... wth?). My daughter, however, has cousins one both my side and her dad's side, and even thoguh her dad and I divorced 10 years before the ones on HIS side were born, I still consider them my nephews when it comes to buying Christmas and Birthday gifts.

 

[Mysti88c]

I love this forum because we have civilized rules and mods to enforce them, but sometimes the scolidings people give each other become tiresome and really make it hard to follow the flow of the discussion.

 

[~n/t~]

"This is the worst time of their life"

Erin Runnion's daughter was kidnapped and murdered
Runnion tells Jane what Isabel's parents are going through

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/01/worst-time-their-life

 

[Shelby2]

I think we're all feeling very frustrated and disappointed at this point....

 

[dsntslp]

IMO I don't really see the signifcance of proving how he is related. What does that prove? What can we gain from knowing if a cousin wants younger cousins to call him uncle or not.

Did you mean to address PAXIMUS? He was the one asking for proof. Perhaps he could answer you.

Originally Posted by PAXIMUS
"I didnt see any male cousin inserting himself in to this case from the start, do you have any links for that? I saw an uncle involved have you confirmed that the uncle is really the cousin if so I would love a link and source for my notes."

 

[Stash777]

Does anyone know how OLD the uncle Justin is, that would go a long way in telling us if he is a potential cousin or not, IMO he looks to be in his 30s at least that would seem to be a little old for him to be the SON of either mom or dad's brothers or sisters.


Although his different last name does seem to indicate cousin rather than uncle, I just want some evidence of such before I jump to any conclusions.

FWIW, I'm 30 years old and have cousins as young as my stepson. My uncle is only 10 years older than me. He was adopted by my grandparents when my mom was 16 years old. It could be possible that JM is a cousin, but is referred to as uncle based on the age differences. I'm with you in not jumping to conclusions about the cousin/uncle issue. It's hard to determine one way or the other based on the little information we have right now.

 

[MsFacetious]

Source: Cops Eye Isabel's Cousin

A source close to the family claims that police are allegedly scrutinizing a male cousin of missing girl Isabel Celis.
What does he know about 6-year-old Isabel’s disappearance from her own bed in the middle of the night?

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/


Let's just presume for a minute that Nancy does have this right.

That they do have a person of interest and they are looking at this person really strongly.
Watching him, building a case, searching for Isa, maybe negotiating for her return or recovery.


Perhaps there is a REASON that law enforcement did NOT want the information about this person getting out?

Maybe they think Isa is alive and they are worried she will be killed?
Maybe they DO have a ransom demand and they are working with the person to meet their demands?

Maybe they think if they monitor the person he will lead them to Isa?
Maybe they are worried the person will run, hurt someone else, or kill himself?

Maybe they have promised him they won't tell the media they are looking at him, if he keeps working with them?
Maybe they are concerned that the relationship being released is plenty of information for the POI to know it's him?


Maybe the LE in this case knows more about what would help this case than those reporting about it?

That is wonderful if she "breaks this story" FIRST but what if she also gets someone else hurt or killed in the process?
Is reporting it first really important enough to risk the integrity of the case, or possibly the safety of the victim, or her family, or others?


Just because someone manages to report something first, doesn't mean they should be reporting it at all. :twocents: