AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 9

[Pensfan]

WHAT did Nancy just say about the mother not wanting to wake up Isa?

I didn't hear that. What else did you hear?

 

[elmomom]

Would that be something like glue sniffing type thing? Sniffing vapors from from various substances.

Yes that and the activity commonly known as "huffing" - aerosol cans, usually.

 

[gitana1]

All of what I am about to say is pure speculation. IF uncle had been questioned and said that he did not go back to the house or sleep there and a dog hit on his scent in Isabel' room.

One of the boys may have said they never went in to Isa's room but the dogs hit on one of their scents.

Isa's scent may have been picked up leaving the house via a door and no hits on her scent at the window.

Blood tracings - which could have been an innocent scuffed knee - they can alert to invisible stuff and they can have false alerts too.

I hope it is one of those possibilities instead of the parents having killed her.

Here is his statement:
You don't think anything like that will happen to you and you wake up and you're in that scenario. Everything goes through your mind. Anger, confusion. They're very upset right now. Her mother is beside herself. We're just trying let the police do their thing and get as much information as we can."
"You wonder, is this happening. Is it a dream? You hear about it, but it's real," said Justin Mastromarino, Isabel's uncle.

His use of the word "you" included his own personal experience with this tragedy. Where was his concern for Isabel? He knew about her disappearance and that she is only six years old, but concern for her wasn't crossing his mind at this time.

His statement is wrapped around what he states the mother is feeling, so he could have been describing how the family feels, not his own experience. But, I do think you are right. He probably was including himself in that.

I was just thinking this and wondering from a lawyer's perspective if it was/is wise to allow a minor child to go unaccompanied with LE if what happened today was a part of the ongoing investigation.

Only if you are innocent.

They are not acting guilty to me. We have seen guilty parties who refuse to allow LE to speak to their kids.

Strictly moo of course.. but if they did remove a comforter from the home do we really believe they would just carry it out bare handed, not in any bag and toss it into one of the police cars? That just doesnt seem right at all? Moo if they had new evidence they'd decided to remove from the home there is no way they would remove it in this fashion.. and in front of media no less.. if that blanket(if that is what it in fact is) did turn out to have important or even any evidence on it wwhatsoever..a defense Atty would have a hay day with the way it was collected and even have media videotape prove it..

Smart catch! Chances are they just need extra blankets wherever they are staying, or maybe the younger boy really wants his blanket.

Marijuana DISTRIBUTION in Douglas county.

A DUI, so he lost his license. Then drove without a license. And I think a controlled substance arrest.

And then he comes to stay with his relatives.

Yeah, over decades they might be "rather normal", but not 3 DUIs in 2011 (in one year).

And then there is this: http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimbrowse.asp?pg=1

Seems he does like to party a bit.

My feeling is that when a person is caught on several occasions for things of this nature, they are partying much more than the average person their age. Because it's true, lots of people drink and drive or smoke pot or possess pot, but many never get caught. Which means someone getting caught repeatedly is likely doing it much more than others. It's the odds.

ETA: That link did not work. Put the name here: http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/criminq.asp

 

[Patty G]

I would have thought more so ABC/Good Morning America going after that interview. They have that sort of reputation.

For me personally, I would prefer they did the Today Show.

 

[deelytful1]

No clue by legal definition, but I know that's how the charges read on criminal records here (I own rental property here so do criminal checks on tenants)...

They also have something called "internal possession" meaning they can't find the substance, but know it's been ingested.

WOW! This is kinda scary...

 

[Lava]

If the Today Show thing is true, it rubs me wrong. Not that it makes them guilty, or anything, and I am glad they will be speaking to someone finally (Hopefully!)...but it just seems weird to me to bypass the local media and go straight to the Today Show.

 

[AnaTeresa]

3 DUI's is like 3 weekends out getting drunk and driving a car and stupid enough to get caught.

When I made my statement, I did it as DUI's being on a lot of people's record in the USA more so then 3 DUI's in a year.

If I recall correctly, right now in Ohio 1 out of 7 has a DUI on their record. If you count how many were technically DUIs, but plead down to lower charges like physical control or reckless operation, it's even higher. For many people, it's a one and done thing - they learn their lesson from their mistake. But many others have drinking problems or feel as if they are "okay" to drive when they are not. And so rack up more than one. You'd be surprised just how many times this occurs every day across the country.

 

[Patty G]

I didn't hear that. What else did you hear?

I didn't hear much more then that as I was in SHOCK when I heard it!

I have to go downstairs to vent. :censored:

 

[Pensfan]

Arizona 13-3403

Possession and sale of a vapor-releasing substance containing a toxic substance; regulation of sale; exceptions; classification

http://www.narcoticnews.com/Arizona...n-and-sale-of-a-vapor-releasing-substance.php

Huffing....swell. On whose criminal record was "vapor" listed? (Good grief. This is the worst thing people can do to their brains as it kills brain cells that don't regenerate.)

 

[cluciano63]

Information "too sensitive" to release. Guest thinks LE has nothing and making it up.

**NOTE: I didn't get the names of all the guests and hopefully they will be posted in the transcript tomorrow. The only one I knew was Marc Klaas. LOL

He is a defense attorney, lol

 

[gitana1]

If the Today Show thing is true, it rubs me wrong. Not that it makes them guilty, or anything, and I am glad they will be speaking to someone finally (Hopefully!)...but it just seems weird to me to bypass the local media and go straight to the Today Show.

I don't know. I would think a national source would hit more homes than a local one. We don't know where Isabel is.

 

[Patty G]

If I recall correctly, right now in Ohio 1 out of 7 has a DUI on their record. If you count how many were technically DUIs, but plead down to lower charges like physical control or reckless operation, it's even higher. For many people, it's a one and done thing - they learn their lesson from their mistake. But many others have drinking problems or feel as if they are "okay" to drive when they are not. And so rack up more than one. You'd be surprised just how many times this occurs every day across the country.

Yupper, totally agree with you as I am from a family of alcoholics/drug addicts. My brother got pulled over 4 times in one week for being drunk and driving.

 

[pieper4]

Huffing....swell. On whose criminal record was "vapor" listed? (Good grief. This is the worst thing people can do to their brains as it kills brain cells that don't regenerate.)

Our DUIs here in AZ read basically under the influence of alcohol, drugs or vapors... meaning huffing, smoking ANYthing (bath salts, incense, etc)... it's just a blanket charge for under the influence. All lumped together on the records being discussed here (again... LOL).

 

[Deleted member 718]

If the Today Show thing is true, it rubs me wrong. Not that it makes them guilty, or anything, and I am glad they will be speaking to someone finally (Hopefully!)...but it just seems weird to me to bypass the local media and go straight to the Today Show.

It doesn't bother me much. The broader the coverage the better, plus the local channels carry the Today Show. I don't even care if it's prerecorded or if they get paid for the interview. Just get it out there.

 

[liz b.]

Could "sensitive" refer to a minor?

I can't find the reference for this. Can I ask what context this word is used in ? TIA.

 

[Pensfan]

Google "vapor arrest". It is also associated with LE busting following someone for reeking of mj.

 

[cluciano63]

I can't find the reference for this. Can I ask what context this word is used in ? TIA.

LE has repeatedly been quoted as saying they have info but it is too "sensitive" to share at this time...

 

[Patty G]

If the Today Show thing is true, it rubs me wrong. Not that it makes them guilty, or anything, and I am glad they will be speaking to someone finally (Hopefully!)...but it just seems weird to me to bypass the local media and go straight to the Today Show.

I so agree with you. The local media needs to speak with this family as they are family to the neighborhood. The media knows their community etc.

The Today Show is a morning show, of which, some folks are getting ready for work and don't watch the show.

I personally prefer that the family meet with the local media first.

(Just thought of Baby Irwin family who went Nationally and snubbed the local media.)

 

[dsntslp]

The AZ Statute:

13-3403. Possession and sale of a vapor-releasing substance containing a toxic substance; regulation of sale; exceptions; classification

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/03403.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

 

[cluciano63]

Google "vapor arrest". It is also associated with LE busting following someone for reeking of mj.

That is so silly, IMO...especially as some state have a certain amount not being illegal...so you get let go for a joint but arrested for smelling like a joint, lol?