Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #1

[oceanblueeyes]

I see the bring Bella home Facebook page is gone, maybe a good thing really.

I have seen the grandmother talking of the story changing, is this the grandmother who was at the home that night?

Also, it does seem really odd that the one night all the adults except JR and grandma, decided to walk to walmart, that JR takes Bella.
And if there were four people in the house, two adults and two children, then one child goes missing along with an adult, it doesn't take much to work out who Bella left with!
I wonder if Bella had gone with JR before, so at first no one was alarmed, then the text messages started coming, and they realised something was wrong!
Also the timeline is odd, if Bella was last seen at 11.30pm, then reported missing at 1.30am, what time was JR seen near Walmart?

Suspects like this often strike when the opportunity is right. They wait for the moment when the child is alone with them. He probably told Bella something benign to get her to leave the house with him.

IMO

 

[Dr. Know?]

Not sure if this posted earlier.

Isabella 'Bella' Grogan murder: Suspect's friend, alibi says he never saw Justin Rector that night

But Rector's long-time friend, Nicholas Noriega, says he never saw him the night Bella disappeared.

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-no...t-night?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[keeponsearching]

"Noriega says the suspect is a father of two, including an 11-year-old girl, and he just can’t imagine Rector hurting any child."

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-no...t-night?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

That is new to me.

 

[Kadoober]

One thing keeps bothering me (ok, a TON of things are bothering me, but this one particular bit keeps pushing its way to the forefront).

It seems that many of the rumors that were flying around facebook have proved true. One of those rumors was that a family friend, who had been staying at the house, was covered in mud and his story kept changing, and that the same person was arrested for shoplifting clothes at Walmart, in an 'unrelated' arrest.

We now know that JR left the house with sweet Bella, disposed of her, went to Walmart, shoplifted, was not arrested AT Walmart, but was found on the side of the road by police later, correct? He apparently told them that he lifted clothes from Walmart, leading to that arrest? Or perhaps he was seen on tape at Walmart, and they sussed him out from there. I don't know. However, he told police that he had been at a friends house, and that friend told police that they had not seen him that night.

My question then is, who the heck saw him muddy, and who said that he was changing his story? Who saw him that night, pre-clothes change?

Looking at that particular rumor, in hindsight, is just weird. Did he run into someone at Walmart?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Is it possible that the Mom thought Bella was taken by someone she had burned (drug deal), but in reality it was JJR and had nothing to do with drugs.
Just a twisted, wicked, murdering pedophile, she allowed to be around her children?

People on meth are said to be very paranoid.

I truly don't think JJR did this out of retaliation concerning a drug deal.

Every time we at WS see where a child is taken and later found dead the motive was to rape the child. And then upon raping the child they murdered them to silence them from telling what had happened to them.

I believe this too will be the motive in this case as well. Imo, he was a pedophile all along waiting for the perfect time to strike a vulnerable child.

Now I am not saying that drugs weren't used because to me JJR seems to use some kind of drugs from my limited knowledge. In his photo his face is very sunken and boney. He looks unhealthy and washed up even at the age of 26.

Does he look like a meth user? I really don't know anything about illegal drugs other than what I have learned while being on MBs for years.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Could be that Walmart video shows him wearing the dirty clothing.

 

[SCHMAE]

I truly don't think JJR did this out of retaliation concerning a drug deal.

Every time we at WS see where a child is taken and later found dead the motive was to rape the child. And then upon raping the child they murdered them to silence them from telling what had happened to them.

I believe this too will be the motive in this case as well. Imo, he was a pedophile all along waiting for the perfect time to strike a vulnerable child.

Now I am not saying that drugs weren't used because to me JJR seems to use some kind of drugs from my limited knowledge. In his photo his face is very sunken and boney. He looks unhealthy and washed up even at the age of 26.

Does he look like a meth user? I really don't know anything about illegal drugs other than what I have learned while being on MBs for years.

Yes, he does. Unfortunately, I know plenty about what they look like.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, he does. Unfortunately, I know plenty about what they look like.

Thank you for your reply.

I don't know why the thought of him being a meth user terrifies me to death but it does.

Maybe it is because we have learned from the Holly Bobo case how extremely violent, cruel, and sadistic some meth users can be.

To know he had Bella alive from 11:30pm until probably 2:30am at least is heartbreaking to even have to think about.

IMO

 

[Dr. Know?]

So it was Bella's maternal grandmother who said she basically doesn't trust Bella's mom. There has to be a reason a mom doesn't trust her own daughter...yet. (watch the video)

http://www.azcentral.com/story/i-se.../12news-bullhead-city-girl-murdered/15098635/

 

[Kadoober]

Ugh. After posting my previous question, I caught up on the thread, and saw that her mom and step 'dad' supposedly went to Walmart?
I'm not sure I'm buying that, it could very well be a story to get out of the house, but still... when put into the context of my question, introducing the possibility that it was her own family that saw him muddy at Walmart, I am just sick.

Gosh. Was the primary reason he even went to Walmart because his texts to mom fell on deaf ears?

As eager as I am for more details regarding this mess, I also really think I don't want to know, y'know?

 

[SCHMAE]

One thing keeps bothering me (ok, a TON of things are bothering me, but this one particular bit keeps pushing its way to the forefront).

It seems that many of the rumors that were flying around facebook have proved true. One of those rumors was that a family friend, who had been staying at the house, was covered in mud and his story kept changing, and that the same person was arrested for shoplifting clothes at Walmart, in an 'unrelated' arrest.

We now know that JR left the house with sweet Bella, disposed of her, went to Walmart, shoplifted, was not arrested AT Walmart, but was found on the side of the road by police later, correct? He apparently told them that he lifted clothes from Walmart, leading to that arrest? Or perhaps he was seen on tape at Walmart, and they sussed him out from there. I don't know. However, he told police that he had been at a friends house, and that friend told police that they had not seen him that night.

My question then is, who the heck saw him muddy, and who said that he was changing his story? Who saw him that night, pre-clothes change?

Looking at that particular rumor, in hindsight, is just weird. Did he run into someone at Walmart?

Maybe strangers saw him and phoned in the tip. If I saw someone covered in mud at walmart in the wee hours of the morning, woke to find the news about a missing child nearby, I would call that in just in case. mooo

 

[Ontario Mom]

One thing keeps bothering me (ok, a TON of things are bothering me, but this one particular bit keeps pushing its way to the forefront).

It seems that many of the rumors that were flying around facebook have proved true. One of those rumors was that a family friend, who had been staying at the house, was covered in mud and his story kept changing, and that the same person was arrested for shoplifting clothes at Walmart, in an 'unrelated' arrest.

We now know that JR left the house with sweet Bella, disposed of her, went to Walmart, shoplifted, was not arrested AT Walmart, but was found on the side of the road by police later, correct? He apparently told them that he lifted clothes from Walmart, leading to that arrest? Or perhaps he was seen on tape at Walmart, and they sussed him out from there. I don't know. However, he told police that he had been at a friends house, and that friend told police that they had not seen him that night.

My question then is, who the heck saw him muddy, and who said that he was changing his story? Who saw him that night, pre-clothes change?

Looking at that particular rumor, in hindsight, is just weird. Did he run into someone at Walmart?

As you said, the rumors flying around on FB have (for the most part) been confirmed as true by LE and the msm. That being said, one of the articles I read said there was a witness (no name was given as far as I know) who saw him leaving the ares where Bella was later found, so that might have been the person who saw him muddy. Not sure. But there are tons more rumors about what "really" went on between 11:30 and 1:30 that night/morning. I believe it was the grandmother as shown in a brief clip (audio only) that said the story kept changing.

I have no doubt there will be more arrests and more info. Hoping it's today.

 

[SCHMAE]

Thank you for your reply.

I don't know why the thought of him being a meth user terrifies me to death but it does.

Maybe it is because we have learned from the Holly Bobo case how extremely violent, cruel, and sadistic some meth users can be.

To know he had Bella alive from 11:30pm until probably 2:30am at least is heartbreaking to even have to think about.

IMO

OT, somewhat. For anyone who wants the fast track Meth 101, I recommend a film called " Cookers'' . It's so realistic , although a fiction work. The writer/ director definitely know the subject matter to make the film like they did. I have friends who formerly used who could not even watch half of the film because it's so realistic, it made them a little sick. There are no children in the film, fyi, so nothing like WS-esque type material to turn your stomach.

 

[lillybell]

So it was Bella's maternal grandmother who said she basically doesn't trust Bella's mom. There has to be a reason a mom doesn't trust her own daughter...yet. (watch the video)

http://www.azcentral.com/story/i-se.../12news-bullhead-city-girl-murdered/15098635/

Is this the same grandma that lived with Bella?

 

[TTF14]

Is this the sane grandma that lived with Bella?

Not sure any of them who lived in that house were sane...

Sorry, couldn't resist. But to answer the question you meant, I have no idea. I would assume so, though.

 

[lillybell]

Not sure any of them who lived in that house were sane...

Sorry, couldn't resist. But to answer the question you meant, I have no idea. I would assume so, though.

Lol, I edited it, although I thought about just leaving it as it was x

 

[newone]

OT, somewhat. For anyone who wants the fast track Meth 101, I recommend a film called " Cookers'' . It's so realistic , although a fiction work. The writer/ director definitely know the subject matter to make the film like they did. I have friends who formerly used who could not even watch half of the film because it's so realistic, it made them a little sick. There are no children in the film, fyi, so nothing like WS-esque type material to turn your stomach.

Do you think that LE would drug screen u/a or blood when doing intake at the County Jail? Was that covered in the film ?

 

[SCHMAE]

Do you think that LE would drug screen u/a or blood when doing intake at the County Jail? Was that covered in the film ?

The film is not like a documentary but I have never heard of LE screening anyone upon intake, EXCEPT for drinking if the charge is a DWI . Actually driving under the influence of anything, I guess they would test for.

 

[Inthedetails]

One thing keeps bothering me (ok, a TON of things are bothering me, but this one particular bit keeps pushing its way to the forefront).

It seems that many of the rumors that were flying around facebook have proved true. One of those rumors was that a family friend, who had been staying at the house, was covered in mud and his story kept changing, and that the same person was arrested for shoplifting clothes at Walmart, in an 'unrelated' arrest.

We now know that JR left the house with sweet Bella, disposed of her, went to Walmart, shoplifted, was not arrested AT Walmart, but was found on the side of the road by police later, correct? He apparently told them that he lifted clothes from Walmart, leading to that arrest? Or perhaps he was seen on tape at Walmart, and they sussed him out from there. I don't know. However, he told police that he had been at a friends house, and that friend told police that they had not seen him that night.

My question then is, who the heck saw him muddy, and who said that he was changing his story? Who saw him that night, pre-clothes change?

Looking at that particular rumor, in hindsight, is just weird. Did he run into someone at Walmart?

That is a puzzle. Maybe he changed clothes at Walmart but didn't wash up, so he was still muddy on his legs and arms. ?

ETA: IIRC, he discarded shorts, so his legs would've been bare when digging.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Yesterday someone mentioned how hard it is to dig in AZ dirt. Usually it is but from this video, you can see a blue tarp near homes/apts/buildings where Bella was found. You can see it briefly at the start of the video but about a minute? in you can see it more. It's a wash where when it rains, water flows making it more sandy and easier to dig in. Had she not been found, new rain would have revealed her body. jmo

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...s-for-missing-girl-in-bullhead-city/15024337/