Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[newone]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1409/04/ng.01.html



TG's rebuttal:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/i-se...n-upset-after-cps-takes-other-child/15142091/

how old is TG?? I have not found her age -- does anyone know?

she's so infantile IMO ---

 

[Magdalyn]

Do we have a link for this?


Or perhaps she took sleep medication, or worked all week/weekend and was exhausted. Maybe she's simply a very sound sleeper.


Let's lay off of the step-grandmother. She gave a brief statement on camera and appeared genuinely remorseful, blaming herself for being asleep.

I haven't seen anything that says she was asked to babysit, or that she was even awake when TG and RF left the house. On the contrary. She's bears no responsibility, IMO.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/i-se...n-upset-after-cps-takes-other-child/15142091/

It says the sister notified RF's mother, then called her mother.

I don't think it was implied she bore responsibility, I think the implication is that depending on who TG or RF talks to, G'ma consciousness levels vary. If the sister reported her sister being missing to g'ma, it seems likely g'ma was awake when the folks rushed home to look for Bella. But not according to RF's statements to 911.

 

[bessie]

JMO here but I'm thinking that a very fast cleanup of the house was done to remove any incriminating evidence of drug use prior to making the 911 call. Referring back to the Haleigh Cummings case where you can hear the slamming of kitchen cabinet doors during the 911 call made by the father's girlfriend, Yes, this case reminds me a lot of the Haleigh Cummings' case, a hell of a lot.

ITA! I wasn't going to bring it up, BUT, listening to the 911 call when the stepdad was walking around with the phone reminded me very much of the 911 call in Haleigh's case. Lots of similarities all around.

I'm also reminded of Neveah Buchanan's murder, and the way her mother was shamed, blamed and ripped to shreds (particularly by NG, mind you) because her bf and his friend were RSO's who she allowed in the presence of her daughter. (No one's been arrested in Neveah's murder, and it looks like we might never know who raped and killed her.) In fact, Neveah's mom did very much the same thing Bella's mom has done, defended herself in the media. It was painful to watch, like a train wreck. I wanted her to stop talking to reporters, just like I wish Bella's mother would.

 

[geevee]

how old is TG?? I have not found her age -- does anyone know?

she's so infantile IMO ---

According to the AZ court public access page, 29.

 

[bessie]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/i-se...n-upset-after-cps-takes-other-child/15142091/

It says the sister notified RF's mother, then called her mother.

I don't think it was implied she bore responsibility, I think the implication is that depending on who TG or RF talks to, G'ma consciousness levels vary. If the sister reported her sister being missing to g'ma, it seems likely g'ma was awake when the folks rushed home to look for Bella. But not according to RF's statements to 911.

Notified, but did she awaken? I get the impression she didn't, and that's why the child called her mom. JMO

 

[newone]

According to the AZ court public access page, 29.

Thank you .... something must be wrong with my thumbs typing today because I was getting zero results when I entered her name -- thanks....

28 is a bit long in the tooth for someone acting the way she is JMHO

 

[winterrose]

I think the media is confused with all the grandmothers, at the beginning Toni Page had mentioned phone calls, and the story had changed from the first call.

GRACE: To Toni Paige joining me, grandmother of little Bella. Toni, thank you for being with us. When you first heard from Bella`s mother, didn`t she say, I can`t find Bella or Justin?

TONI PAGE, GRANDMOTHER OF MURDERED GIRL: They took her, they took her. I won`t do anything bad anymore. They got Bella. And then the next minute their stories all change. Everybody had different stories. http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1409/04/ng.01.html

 

[Magdalyn]

Notified, but did she awaken? I get the impression she didn't, and that's why the child called her mom. JMO

Huh. If that's how it went down, when they came home to look for the missing Bella, the adults never woke G'ma to ask what/who was the last thing she saw, or to help them look for her, then omitted JR's presence in the 911 call?

Curiouser and curiouser.

If they let her sleep, never disturbed her between 10 year-old's call and the 911 call.....there's a reason, IMO. Sleeping witnesses can't contradict things like 10 year-olds can.

 

[Magdalyn]

I think the media is confused with all the grandmothers, at the beginning Toni Page had mentioned phone calls, and the story had changed from the first call. I can't find that in any links as to what she said. Why would the 10 yo use a phone to call a grandmother in the house?

In the transcript I linked, it didn't say 10 year old called her g'ma. It said she notified her. Which I took to mean, went to where she was sleeping, shook her shoulder, said, "I can't find Bella." Then she called her mom with a phone.

The other G'ma (TP) said TG called her to report 'they took her'. TG is not the g'ma who was in the house.

 

[newone]

In the transcript I linked, it didn't say 10 year old called her g'ma. It said she notified her. Which I took to mean, went to where she was sleeping, shook her shoulder, said, "I can't find Bella." Then she called her mom with a phone.

The other G'ma (TP) said TG called her to report 'they took her'. TG is not the g'ma who was in the house.

bbm: that is what the nation heard.....((thanks NG)) and I am pretty sure LE has that conversation etched on their notepads because it was at the beginning of the saga...immediate statements reveal much JMHO

in a perfect world we would have a reporter LIVE feed as he asks TG : "who is the they you were referencing in your first call to your mother" MOO

 

[winterrose]

I understand what you're saying. The media has different stories to this, because I think they're as confused as everyone else. In the 911 he said his mother was asleep making it more feasible the call was to TP, but looking at what TP said to NG, I guess it was phone calls from TG.

Actually what TG said to TP about "they took her" made me think even more they originally thought it was something to do with the Aug 21st incident with the stepfather/bf. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

Do we have a link for this?


Or perhaps she took sleep medication, or worked all week/weekend and was exhausted. Maybe she's simply a very sound sleeper.


Let's lay off of the step-grandmother. She gave a brief statement on camera and appeared genuinely remorseful, blaming herself for being asleep.

I haven't seen anything that says she was asked to babysit, or that she even was awake when TG and RF left the house. On the contrary. She's bears no responsibility, IMO.

I agree that that there is the possibility that she was most likely asleep when the adults left for Walmart and never even knew she was "babysitting". I'm just pointing out that the BF on the 911 call when asked where they were stated that she was asleep and that T was upstairs distraught. I can't believe that she was still asleep at this point in time.

 

[Magdalyn]

On a thread where three well off young people with $250/day drug habits were killed, someone posted (paraphrasing) "there are a lot of good upstanding people who keep it together even though they are addicted to opiates"...

Please, sweet baby Jesus, let these 'upstanding' folks not be responsible for children in any way, shape, or form. Please, also, let them not drive. Or perform surgery. Or operate heavy machinery.

 

[lonetraveler]

The Walmart CCTV video and phone logs will clear up two of those unknowns. The 911 call came in at 1:18 so that puts them at Walmart between 11:08 pm. and 11:38 pm. So yes, it's possible they didn't believe Bella's sister and took their time returning but I'm not convinced that RF was oblivious to the situation when he called 911.

It's an interesting thought though and if that's what happened I could muster up some sympathy for TG and RF. If Tania came out and said something like: "OMG! I didn't believe (the sister). I thought JR was long gone. If only we had run right home and called the police..."

But here's what she actually said:

Isabella's 10-year-old sister called their mother, saying she couldn't find her sister after going to the bathroom. Grogan said she and Folster rushed home.

"Panic, major panic. ‘Where's my daughter?' I was screaming, shouting for her," Grogan said.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26463107/mother-on-childs-accused-killer-i-trusted-him

And TG also asaid this:

However, Grogan and her husband Ralph Folster returned home when their 10-year-old daughter called saying Isabella was missing.

"We came back because (my older daughter) called and said she couldn't find (Isabella). (She said) that Justin and (Isabella) were gone," said Grogan.

Grogan says she left Isabella and her older sister upstairs with Folster's mother. She claims she did not even know Rector, a family friend, was in the home. Court records, however, state Grogan's two children were downstairs with Rector and three other friends. Grogan says she called police after searching for Isabella for more than 40 minutes.

"I was looking everywhere for her - screaming her name. I couldn't find her," she said.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world

Got to say that this BBM statement bothers the heck out of me because a little bit later she and boyfriend are saying that they thought that Rector had left so why is she now saying that her daughter couldn't find Bella or Justin?

 

[lonetraveler]

OTOH, she's also setting herself up for charges of making a false police report and obstruction of justice and maybe even perjury if she testifies at trial.

LE has CCTV video from Walmart, phone records, a clear and unique shoe print, JR's discarded clothing and probably DNA, including the worst kind. Hard evidence will trump Tania's CYA lies.

Speaking of testifying at trial??? At this point I'm wondering if she will be on the witness list of the prosecutor or the defense.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Do we have a link for this?


Or perhaps she took sleep medication, or worked all week/weekend and was exhausted. Maybe she's simply a very sound sleeper.


Let's lay off of the step-grandmother. She gave a brief statement on camera and appeared genuinely remorseful, blaming herself for being asleep.

I haven't seen anything that says she was asked to babysit, or that she was even awake when TG and RF left the house. On the contrary. She's bears no responsibility, IMO.

There have been several msm articles that state Bella's sister went to the grandmother first, and told her she couldn't find Bella before she finally called the mom. I only assume she didn't go back to sleep after she was notified Bella was missing. I mean, that would be totally bizarre I think. I completely agree though she bears no responsibility.

 

[newone]

Got to say that this BBM statement bothers the heck out of me because a little bit later she and boyfriend are saying that they thought that Rector had left so why is she now saying that her daughter couldn't find Bella or Justin?

I believe that would be due to responsible 10 yr old telling her that Justin was there -- and was last one seen with her sister ...

 

[lonetraveler]

ITA! I wasn't going to bring it up, BUT, listening to the 911 call when the stepdad was walking around with the phone reminded me very much of the 911 call in Haleigh's case. Lots of similarities all around.

I'm also reminded of Neveah Buchanan's murder, and the way her mother was shamed, blamed and ripped to shreds (particularly by NG, mind you) because her bf and his friend were RSO's who she allowed in the presence of her daughter. (No one's been arrested in Neveah's murder, and it looks like we might never know who raped and killed her.) In fact, Neveah's mom did very much the same thing Bella's mom has done, defended herself in the media. It was painful to watch, like a train wreck. I wanted her to stop talking to reporters, just like I wish Bella's mother would.

Yep, I followed that case as well and you are totally correct, very similar.

 

[tier]

Huh. If that's how it went down, when they came home to look for the missing Bella, the adults never woke G'ma to ask what/who was the last thing she saw, or to help them look for her, then omitted JR's presence in the 911 call?

Curiouser and curiouser.

If they let her sleep, never disturbed her between 10 year-old's call and the 911 call.....there's a reason, IMO. Sleeping witnesses can't contradict things like 10 year-olds can.

I have a suspicion from the 911 call and later news video of him calm in the face of TGs grief but looking around hyper vigilantly that RF is very controlling. When the 911 operator asked who was there RF said his mom 'was sleeping so...' (soooo... what? don't ask to talk to her?) and when asked about the mom 'she is upstairs distraught.' He seemed to be controlling who gave info. He really doesn't sit right with me.

 

[newone]

There have been several msm articles that state Bella's sister went to the grandmother first, and told her she couldn't find Bella before she finally called the mom. I only assume she didn't go back to sleep after she was notified Bella was missing. I mean, that would be totally bizarre I think. I completely agree though she bears no responsibility.

I remember the video where she said I was asleep I shouldn't have been perhaps but I was ((I truly felt sorry for her as she looked genuinely embarrassed about it)) MOO