Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

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  • #161
She has recorded drug arrest records available for public viewing on AZ court website

Maybe I'm not looking right, but I see only arrests for marijuana...and something about delinquency to a minor but it seems to stem on letting someone underage drive a vehicle? Is there something harder that I'm not seeing?

I'm sorry, but I'm new to the case. I've viewed the FBs of mom and stepdad and while they don't seem to be college professors, I don't see a lot out of the ordinary. I mean I see tattoos and family vacation photos. I am sure I am missing a lot. Can anyone fill me in? PM is fine. TIA
 
  • #162
And he started alibi-building right off:

911: Okay, how long ago did you see her?

RF: Okay. About an hour, hour and a half ago we went to Walmart, me and my wife and then [unintelligible] her sister called us on the phone saying that she couldn't find her sister so..


He ended up confusing the dispatcher who thought he was telling her that Bella disappeared while at Walmart. Notice he also failed to name her until he was asked and then only gave her last name. And his saying "baby" made my hair stand on end. WTH was that all about? I can't say here what it made me think...

RF: My last name is [name] but the baby's name is Grogan-Cannella.

Not trying to be disagreeable but I don't see anything odd about any of these statements. I see that the mom calls her "her baby" as in her youngest. I still refer to my 9 year old daughter sometimes as "my baby." The rest I don't see as outwardly alibi building unless proven to be false statements.

All I see thus far is perhaps some irresponsible parents, perhaps they were partying, I dunno. But I think from what I have seen it is a stretch to go from that to being involved in a murder/kidnapping/more cover up?? I am thinking I am missing a lot of the story, so sorry if some of this has been discussed.
 
  • #163
"I never could imagine that something like this could happen to me," Tonia Grogan, Isabella's mother told ABC15's Navideh Forghani Friday

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-no...ers-from-family-friend-charged-in-girls-death

JR had been invited for a bbq and mother was told not to talk to the media according to the article at the above link

Is this the third news station she's spoken with today?

"He's part of our family," she said. He was invited to the house while the family had a barbecue.

Is she saying he wasn't staying at her house? Oh, this is all so confusing!
 
  • #164
Is this the third news station she's spoken with today?

"He's part of our family," she said. He was invited to the house while the family had a barbecue.

Is she saying he wasn't staying at her house? Oh, this is all so confusing!

In one of the articles I read yesterday I believe, we were all supposed to believe JR is the cousin of the dad's brother, or some such thing. Not sure if that's bio dad or step-dad, it wasn't clear in the article. Then again, other articles say no one new he was there, he'd been staying there, etc., so forth and so on. Nailing down the facts in this case so far is like trying to nail jello to a wall.
 
  • #165
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-no...ers-from-family-friend-charged-in-girls-death

'"Everyone is mad at me because they can't get a hold of me. I just got my cell phone back from the FBI. I just got it back. They had my car. They had my phone, and I had no problem giving it up," said Grogan, while saying she's been receiving death threats.''

Hopefully she's reported those death threats to LE - she didn't have a phone so one would wonder about the method of delivery of said threats. If it is internet, I am sure LE have people that can help her.
 
  • #166
In the 911 call, one other thing REALLY stood out:

The SF's inflection is flat throughout the call with the exception of when he was asked where the victim might go. He said "I haven't the slightest clue" VERY affirmatively. It is reminiscent of when I was taught about micro-expressions and vocal analyzation. When a suspect is lying, the tend to over-emphasise the lie. JMO.
 
  • #167
Is this the third news station she's spoken with today?

"He's part of our family," she said. He was invited to the house while the family had a barbecue.

Is she saying he wasn't staying at her house? Oh, this is all so confusing!

There was a sit down interview(CBS5 KPHO) at the doorstep of her house and then there was the video in the street with AZ Central and the link I just provided last half hour from ABC15 interview == 3 interviews you are right.
 
  • #168
Wow. Lots to catch up on. Thanks for the transcript, i almost didn't listen after reading but i am glad i did. He sounded bored! I don't know that i would immediately be 'distraught' about my child missing.....what i mean is, i would think i'd be more likely to be frantic and looking everywhere. But then we all react differently. Now, if i knew what had happened, i would be a distraught mess. There's going to be a lot more coming out IMO.
 
  • #169
Not trying to be disagreeable but I don't see anything odd about any of these statements. I see that the mom calls her "her baby" as in her youngest. I still refer to my 9 year old daughter sometimes as "my baby." The rest I don't see as outwardly alibi building unless proven to be false statements.

All I see thus far is perhaps some irresponsible parents, perhaps they were partying, I dunno. But I think from what I have seen it is a stretch to go from that to being involved in a murder/kidnapping/more cover up?? I am thinking I am missing a lot of the story, so sorry if some of this has been discussed.

you get a really good sense when you ''listen'' to the call -- the link is on the Media thread for this case....
 
  • #170
What it comes down to for me in that 911 call is no mention of JJR at all. No mention that they left those girls with JJR, no mention that he's not there now either, no mention that they got a text from him saying he had the girl. Nada. He's guessing maybe the river, yet he doesn't give them what information he did have? And he says he's still looking around the house, that should have been cleared before the 911 IF they didn't get a text from JJR saying he had the girl and IF JJR had never been there and IF he was still there without Bella once she disappeared. There is a lot wrong with that 911 call by stepdad. A lot. IMO.
 
  • #171
Buying snacks for the kids.....why does her saying that make me furious? :maddening:
 
  • #172
In the 911 call, one other thing REALLY stood out:

The SF's inflection is flat throughout the call with the exception of when he was asked where the victim might go. He said "I haven't the slightest clue" VERY affirmatively. It is reminiscent of when I was taught about micro-expressions and vocal analyzation. When a suspect is lying, the tend to over-emphasise the lie. JMO.

Ha. Yeah. "I haven't the slightest clue." Then he immediately contradicts this statement by offering the operator ideas of where she might go. So he has lots of clues.

None of which give the slightest mention of JR.
 
  • #173
Buying snacks for the kids.....why does her saying that make me furious? :maddening:

Does it remind you of Rayne Perrywinkle? That all happened, you know, because Cherish wanted a new dress. And a sparkly barrette. And Cherish also asked for that cheese burger. :mad:
 
  • #174
Yeah, or calling friends to see if Bella went for a sleepover. At the time of the 911 call, was there already a reason she was so distraught that she needed to go to bed?

On the other hand ... do you know how to tell when they are lying? When their lips are moving.
BBM

Poor Isabella. Everyone around her failed her, in my opinion. I don't want to think about what her life was like , before a monster ended it.
Everyone in that house that night seems to be in CYA mode.
I feel for LE , and the rules and procedures they must abide by --- I'd want to grab someone by the throat (throw in a little waterboarding or something), and make them tell what REALLY happened !!! :gaah:
A precious young life was brutally taken, and they're (whomever might have known something more or been involved) worried they might get put in jail and no more partying/drugs for a while. Gross .
:moo:
 
  • #175
Does it remind you of Rayne Perrywinkle? That all happened, you know, because Cherish wanted a new dress. And a sparkly barrette. And Cherish also asked for that cheese burger. :mad:

I was going to make a similar post. Both cases just break my heart:tantrum:
 
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Ha. Yeah. "I haven't the slightest clue." Then he immediately contradicts this statement by offering the operator ideas of where she might go. So he has lots of clues.

None of which give the slightest mention of JR.
RSBM Emphasis mine

So, if JR and Isabella are both gone, how long did it take the people in that house to figure out the two of them were together, or that JR had abducted her ?
Makes one wonder about the level of competence involved here........:thinking:
In my opinion, of course !
 
  • #178
Does anyone know if the mom and stepdad were at WalMart the same time JJR was there? I wonder if there are receipts or video of them at WalMart?
 
  • #179
Not trying to be disagreeable but I don't see anything odd about any of these statements. I see that the mom calls her "her baby" as in her youngest. I still refer to my 9 year old daughter sometimes as "my baby." The rest I don't see as outwardly alibi building unless proven to be false statements.

All I see thus far is perhaps some irresponsible parents, perhaps they were partying, I dunno. But I think from what I have seen it is a stretch to go from that to being involved in a murder/kidnapping/more cover up?? I am thinking I am missing a lot of the story, so sorry if some of this has been discussed.

I appreciate hearing your thoughts. I don't think anyone in Bella's family is involved in her murder – JR is the perp. However, I'm concerned that the family's story regarding what happened that night keeps changing; to me that's suspicious and it makes me think they know more than they have told LE.

What the family has said doesn't match what we've learned from the police press conferences and msm reports. On the night Bella disappeared the mom and her boyfriend failed to report to police that JR was in their home and that he left with Bella while her sister was in the bathroom. In fact, police Chief Williamson stated that it was Bella's sister who told them about JR, not the mom or boyfriend.

To me that's obstruction of justice. That the mom and her boyfriend would withold such crucial information from the search team is reprehensible. So to hear him over-explaining the simple question of "how long ago did you see her?" made me wonder why it was so important to him to let 911 know within the first few seconds that he wasn't at home when Bella disappeared. To me, that's alibi-building.

And I find it odd that he referred to Bella as a baby and yet he got her actual name wrong.


From the 911 call that Bella's mom's boyfriend made:

911: Alright, and you said so the little girl was home with her Grandma?
RF: With her sister and her Grandma. Her Grandma I believe is asleep so...

From mom's interview with CBS 5:

Grogan says she left Isabella and her older sister upstairs with Folster's mother. She claims she did not even know Rector, a family friend, was in the home. Court records, however, state Grogan's two children were downstairs with Rector and three other friends. Grogan says she called police after searching for Isabella for more than 40 minutes.

http://www.kpho.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world?autostart=true

From mom's interview with Nancy Grace:

“I got a call from my older daughter saying she couldn’t find Bella. She couldn’t find Justin. We looked around outside, then we called police,” Bella's mother told the Nancy Grace team.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/09/05/911-call-missing-isabella-grogan-cannella
 
  • #180
Does anyone know if the mom and stepdad were at WalMart the same time JJR was there? I wonder if there are receipts or video of them at WalMart?
I would think by now that LE has recovered and reviewed the security footage. If the suspect AND the family were there *together* then all involved would have been held for questioning.
 
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