Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[WillenFan21]

Also did anyone else notice in the 911 call that the step father said they were at Walmart for approximately 90 minutes? That means the 911 call would have been made around 12:30, which would also put the time line off than what they are saying. Didn't they say that it was after 1AM that they noticed she was gone? Well if they were at Walmart for 90 minutes they could have been back home before 1:00AM. I know that the time line was brought up in the other thread and how they were at Walmart for 2 hours.

 

[news.talk]

I don't know if this is has been mentioned but I wonder if they used the 10 year old as part of the plan to make the story more believable being that it came from a 10 year old child. From the Nancy Grace interview it doesn't sound to me like the Grandmother was there when Bella went missing. Notice she says when she talked to her daughter that the story changed. If she was there that night I would assume she'd know what happened if she was there unless she was sleeping and then woken up. Maybe the Grandmother was assed out when everything went down. But with everyone's suspicion on the mother and whoever else was there I do wonder about the 10 year old. If the 10 year old was used as part of the plan the to make the story seem legit then maybe more will come out once the 10 year old realizes she is safe and that no one can hurt her. I would assume that they have therapist on hand and everything to talk to the little girl.

If I am following the family tree correctly, I think that the GM that was at the home that night was the Mother's common-law husband's mother.

 

[WillenFan21]

If I am following the family tree correctly, I think that the GM that was at the home that night was the Mother's common-law husband's mother.

ah okay.. hmm that is interesting then. I wonder what that Grandma is saying happened? Has she spoken out yet?

 

[news.talk]

Also did anyone else notice in the 911 call that the step father said they were at Walmart for approximately 90 minutes? That means the 911 call would have been made around 12:30, which would also put the time line off than what they are saying. Didn't they say that it was after 1AM that they noticed she was gone? Well if they were at Walmart for 90 minutes they could have been back home before 1:00AM. I know that the time line was brought up in the other thread and how they were at Walmart for 2 hours.

I can't help but think that the 911 call was a mis-direction. Not implying the mother or SF was involved, but more as an after-thought.... A way to clear them as suspects.

 

[Aeronomy]

Well let's assume LE is looking over the security footage.Now I am going to speculate that maybe mom and step- dad aren't seen in any footage, what could LE do with that kind of information? I'm just throwing another curve ball into this already convoluted case. Or another pure speculation, what if they are recorded buying items that aren't "snacks" for the kids, but other items? Like I said all pure speculation, but there are so many questions regarding the facts that my head is spinning.

I'm guessing not too much unless they could prove the parents were with Bella during that time. My guess is LE would suspect they were doing something illegal if they weren't at Wal-Mart, but if anything, it would just open up a whole can of worms going in a different direction if you know what I mean. JMO

 

[MsMarple]

Thanks a bunch for the great rundown. Hopefully, others may find it helpful as well and really appreciate you helping me catch up with the story.

So I understand that the stepdad didn't tell 911 about JJR being there. Do you think it's because he may not have known? Or hadn't put 2 and 2 together? Maybe he thought he was sleeping, or had left at a different time or something? I know it may sound like a stretch, but (taking away the allegations of drugs, etc...) if you trusted someone, that ok, he's a druggie and all, but that doesn't necessarily mean you would immediately suspect him of kidnapping and killing your daughter. Does that make sense?

Are you saying that they spoke with police and never mentioned JJR? Did he maybe show up after they had left for WalMart and was gone before they left, so they never put 2 and 2 together? Maybe the 10 year old never even mentioned JJR until pressed by police?

I guess I am just trying to figure out what these people would have to gain from lying about JJRs presence, if they indeed knew about it AND had made the connection?

Ah, good - now you're as confused as the rest of us.

Yes, neither the boyfriend/stepdad nor the mom made any mention of JR at any time. According to the court records Bella's sister informed LE about him.

Here's the information that LE released early on:

Her mother told authorities it would be unusual for Isabella to run away or leave without telling an adult, [spokeswoman] Fromelt said.

Yet mom told Nancy grace that Bella's sister told her both Bella and JR were missing.

So it's clear that Bella's family deliberately witheld information. The big question is why. What would compel a parent whose child went missing in the middle of the night to think "Hmm, could JR, a convicted criminal, be involved? Nah." and decide it's not important enough to mention to the people searching for her?

What were they afraid of is the big question. Maybe they were afraid of CPS or maybe drugs were involved. Who knows at this point?

I'm eager to hear about the recovered CCTV video from Walmart. Maybe that will provide a piece to this puzzle.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/n...ice-body-found-near-site-girl-s-disappearance

 

[Aeronomy]

bbm

Yes. I am pretty sure that it is. In Tania's interview that was posted here in this thread she mentions her mother going on Nancy Grace and how her mother was never a mother. I am pretty sure that yes its the same one that had custody of Bella. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe it's the same woman.

Hmm...pot, kettle? Apple, tree?

 

[news.talk]

Ah, good - now you're as confused as the rest of us.

Yes, neither the boyfriend/stepdad nor the mom made any mention of JR at any time. According to the court records Bella's sister informed LE about him.

Here's the information that LE released early on:

Her mother told authorities it would be unusual for Isabella to run away or leave without telling an adult, [spokeswoman] Fromelt said.

Yet mom told Nancy grace that Bella's sister told her both Bella and JR were missing.

So it's clear that Bella's family deliberately witheld information. The big question is why. What would compel a parent whose child went missing in the middle of the night to think "Hmm, could JR, a convicted criminal, be involved? Nah." and decide it's not important enough to mention to the people searching for her?

What were they afraid of is the big question. Maybe they were afraid of CPS or maybe drugs were involved. Who knows at this point?

I'm eager to hear about the recovered CCTV video from Walmart. Maybe that will provide a piece to this puzzle.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/n...ice-body-found-near-site-girl-s-disappearance

Has any MSM confirmed the text messages that shall not be mentioned?

 

[justanother]

Any idea if the mom was taken in tonight? I figure they looked for justin on the walmart footage so they must have looked for mom and RF. I think a lot of the truth of this will lie with her sister...... a poor baby that wanted nothing more than her mommas love, to be with her and Bella always. My heart breaks for her.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I get the feeling that everyone involved has a shady past and dealings with LE. These types of people are not forthcoming with facts IMO. Wasn't the mother charged with providing false information to LE in the past? Does anyone know the extent, if any, of the step-father as far as a criminal record?

This site http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx is an eye opener as it pertains to the adults named in this case, as directly involved and/or at the home of the night of Bella's disappearance. Suffice it to say, ALL of them are known to LE, long before this week.

 

[mymadori]

Has any MSM confirmed the text messages that shall not be mentioned?

Yes and I know it was linked in the previous thread... let me go dig it up.

 

[mymadori]

Here you go- MSM with info about the texts from JR to Bella's family. It says sister told the daily news about texts the family got from JR indicating he had Bella and asking what they were going to do about it" http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/suspect-charged-in-girl-s-death/article_94681350-34d0-11e4-b9e5-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[Ontario Mom]

Sorry - too many Grandmother's to keep straight...

Remind me again, is she the maternal GM or paternal or step-dad's that was present that night?

The answer would help me discern her comments.

Toni Page is TG's mom. Bella's maternal grandma. The person she called before she called 911. The same person she threw under the bus in one of today's televised interviews. The same one who had custody of Bella until just recently, according to msm articles.

"I won't do anything bad anymore" <-------- VOLUMES.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I don't know if this is has been mentioned but I wonder if they used the 10 year old as part of the plan to make the story more believable being that it came from a 10 year old child. From the Nancy Grace interview it doesn't sound to me like the Grandmother was there when Bella went missing. Notice she says when she talked to her daughter that the story changed. If she was there that night I would assume she'd know what happened if she was there unless she was sleeping and then woken up. Maybe the Grandmother was assed out when everything went down. But with everyone's suspicion on the mother and whoever else was there I do wonder about the 10 year old. If the 10 year old was used as part of the plan the to make the story seem legit then maybe more will come out once the 10 year old realizes she is safe and that no one can hurt her. I would assume that they have therapist on hand and everything to talk to the little girl.

The grandmother quoted in the msm articles is Tania's mom.
The grandmother mentioned as the one being in the home that night is the step-dad's mom. (or boyfriend or whatever the legal status actually is)

 

[bakerlady]

Sorry - too many Grandmother's to keep straight...

Remind me again, is she the maternal GM or paternal or step-dad's that was present that night?

The answer would help me discern her comments.

So you had her with you at Walmart and then she disappeared?
No, no, no, no She stayed at home with her sister and her mom getting ready for bed. Her sister and my mom getting ready for bed and when we got back she was already gone

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ember-2014-2-*ARREST*&p=10927384#post10927384

It seems it was the step-dad's mom.

 

[MsMarple]

Here you go- MSM with info about the texts from JR to Bella's family. It says sister told the daily news about texts the family got from JR indicating he had Bella and asking what they were going to do about it" http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/suspect-charged-in-girl-s-death/article_94681350-34d0-11e4-b9e5-0019bb2963f4.html

Holy cow - what a good spot! I just deleted my reply stating it was still rumor.

The sister also told the Daily News that Rector later texted messages to the family indicating that he had Grogan-Cannella and asking what they were going to do about it.

What do you make of it?

 

[bakerlady]

Holy cow - what a good spot! I just deleted my reply stating it was still rumor.

The sister also told the Daily News that Rector later texted messages to the family indicating that he had Grogan-Cannella and asking what they were going to do about it.

What do you make of it?

And my question is why? IMO the parents went to do something, not shopping at Walmart, and JJR was upset that he was not included or something of that nature.

I think whatever transpired that night was sudden and last minute and not planned and he acted out of rage/impulse.

 

[news.talk]

Here you go- MSM with info about the texts from JR to Bella's family. It says sister told the daily news about texts the family got from JR indicating he had Bella and asking what they were going to do about it" http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/suspect-charged-in-girl-s-death/article_94681350-34d0-11e4-b9e5-0019bb2963f4.html

Thank you! I know we cannot reference them unless they were qualified in MSM.

So why hasn't there been any charges of obstruction of justice against the immediate family? Perhaps they did tell LE about the texts but if so, it doesn't jive with the further statements from the family in MSM. Why hasn't the mother addressed this?

 

[travelbug]

A poster here (Isabella) asked for a link on other thread about mom crying when she found out her daughters body had been found.

http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/Body-f...ng-Bullhead-City-girl-273855381.html?lc=Smart

I just can't put all of this together. However, the mother thinks she is going to go to the jail and visit the murderer and he is going to tell her everything? She "wants him to know why he did this." Odd.

Every time I see this statement it makes me wonder if poor little Bella was used as payment for more drugs and things went wrong. JMHO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Thank you! I know we cannot reference them unless they were qualified in MSM.

So why hasn't there been any charges of obstruction of justice against the immediate family? Perhaps they did tell LE about the texts but if so, it doesn't jive with the further statements from the family in MSM. Why hasn't the mother addressed this?

Because there is no way to publicly address it now, after all the other stuff she's said, without somehow implicating herself ? MOO...