Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[Dr. Know?]

Thanks for that! I had wondered about it because of msm reports like this:

Isabella Grogan-Cannella’s 10-year-old sister told the Mohave Valley Daily News on Tuesday evening that she heard yelling and when she came out of the bathroom, Rector and her sister were gone. Williamson specifically contradicted that statement at Thursday’s news conference.

“Bella’s sister did not hear any yelling or any kind of disturbance,” he said.

“(She) told police that the last time she saw Bella was about 11:30 p.m. on Monday when she went to the bathroom,” said Williamson. “Her sister reported Bella was with Rector. When she came out of the bathroom, they were gone.”

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_94681350-34d0-11e4-b9e5-0019bb2963f4.html

After seeing so many errors in msm these past days it's hard to trust the memory of some reporters.

And..that's where you stand when reading the news in most states. You can't believe everything, word for word.

I've read many reporters twist a whole horrific event every which way. I also have that very type of reporter in my family. Oh help me please.

 

[2Hope4]

:thinking: Could LE have been called, in an effort to scare or intimidate JR into bringing Bella back? JR would have no way of knowing if LE had been told he was the last with Bella. JR had no way of knowing what else LE would be told. So sort of like calling a bluff? maybe JR mentioned he knew they wouldn't call LE, or assumed there was no way Tania and Ralph would involve LE. If JR had no vehicle, then it would be assumed he had be near, or have gotten a ride. If friends were called, and none had given him a ride, or seen him, as in he didn't go to their home, then Tania's hands were tied. They knew they would have to do something to convince JR they meant business, and he best return Bella. I hope none of them were using tracphone or similar, and that LE already has, or will soon have pings, gps, something of that nature regarding those phones.



We know FBI had Tania's phone per her recent interview with MSM. I'm sure they can recover texts and phone calls to and from the phones. It would show if they had attempted to locate JR, how many times, and if he responded.

If phone records show he was near the home, and theorically could witness LE arriving, length of time LE was there, and the early search efforts, as well as how many LE showed up, well, maybe T and R thought that would be enough pressure , and Bella and he would return.

Did that make sense?

 

[MsMarple]

Clue, I can't find the post where you just asked, but we HAVE heard from the grandma "on scene" that night - but I've only see it on the reporter Pitts' Twitter so far and not in an article which may be why it's not been talked about...but it was from earlier this afternoon.



https://twitter.com/william_pitts/status/508027128974422016

And speaking of twitchy msm reports, I remember reading somewhere during the first or second day that the sister notified her grandmother that Bella and JR were gone before she called her mom.

It makes sense that grandma went upstairs to bed, leaving Bella and her sister with JR but at this point I don't trust statements from anyone in that house. Were they watching a DVD or were they playing hide and seek? Did the adults search for 40 minutes or an hour and a half?

So confusing...

 

[tier]

Can someone tell me how to screen schot a whole facebook page? I still have Justin Rector's page, and I know I can't post it here now, but maybe later we'll have a basement room I can post it in.

I thought we could post if LE have named them a POI? No?

 

[nrbc]

Just watched the video of little Bella dancing on the lady who gave birth to her fb page, it just broke my heart. I hate to judge, but come on...with all the people in the world who would love to take care of all these precious angels, why do they continue to be discarded like trash?

 

[bessie]

I thought we could post if LE have named them a POI? No?

We can't post screenshots of social media pages, but we can link to them.

 

[hambirg]

This is getting weirder and weirder. I know there were some contradictory statements in msm that Bella's sister reported that she heard yelling while LE said she told them she didn't hear anything.

I hate to broach the subject but is it possible the sister is trying to protect her mom and stepdad?

The sister also told the Daily News that Rector later texted messages to the family indicating that he had Grogan-Cannella and asking what they were going to do about it.

So you had her with you at Walmart and then she disappeared?
No, no, no, no She stayed at home with her sister and her mom getting ready for bed. Her sister and my mom getting ready for bed and when we got back she was already gone

BBM

Between the contradictory statements and RF"s misstep there, it has to make you wonder, doesn't it? What if TG was at home? Why is step-grandma so silent?

 

[newone]

I wasn't going to post but found what I think is yet another ((heaven help us please)) of what the Mom said kids were supposed to be doing when she left for Walmart snack run

http://kdminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=798&ArticleID=62826

"According to court records, Isabella's mother was not home at the time her daughter went missing. She and others went to Walmart, and she told Isabella and her 10-year-old sister to lie down in bed and watch a movie. The mother of her boyfriend was home with the children, court records state.

Hope ya'll are loving putting these on spreadsheets for easier reference

gee -- I should be numbering these options.....

 

[Dr. Know?]

You can drive yourself batty trying to put MSM news together. Don't try it. It's unhealthy, you can develop high blood pressure, weight gain, blury eyesight, numbness in legs, jaw muscle chewing and amnesia, I've read. ha ha

 

[newone]

BBM

Between the contradictory statements and RF"s misstep there, it has to make you wonder, doesn't it? What if TG was at home? Why is step-grandma so silent?

would sure clear things up from my point of view (MOO)

 

[newone]

You can drive yourself batty trying to put MSM news together. Don't try it. It's unhealthy, you can develop high blood pressure, weight gain, blury eyesight, numbness in legs, jaw muscle chewing and amnesia, I've read. ha ha

too late -- I'm there !!

 

[Dr. Know?]

too late -- I'm there !!

Please see your doctor if you have any of these symptoms. ha ha me too. slo mo always..

 

[nrbc]

I'm sure this has been discussed but doesn't Rector have a daughter?

 

[drsleuth]

Would be handy to have a family/step-family tree to work out who's who.........I imagine it'd be huge :thinking:

 

[drsleuth]

I'm sure this has been discussed but doesn't Rector have a daughter?

I believe from what I've read he has twin daughters :gaah:

 

[newone]

She never says "I didn't hurt my daughter." She says "I would never hurt my daughter." Not a reliable denial!!

Apparently CPS thought Toni Page was a better mother than Tania if they gave her custody!

"I want him to know...why he hurt my daughter" ....um, what? Interrupted thought...what DOES she want him to know?

to me that was the pentultimate mindbinding linguistic slip or what!

 

[TravelingBug]

Three Grandma's have been mentioned: Toni Page who is Tania Grogan's Mom. The one who spoke on NG, and in local media against her daughter. Freddie Nicholson who is Ralphy Folster's Mom. The Grandma where they were living. Sue Winchester...not sure who she's related to.

And since someone asked where it was written who was there, this article is one of the few who still seems to be naming which was supposedly there.

http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...tor-arrest-murder/c6Pw5lyRv0qWbv42DfoRfA.cspx

A police report released today by the Bullhead City Police Department said several adults were at the residence Monday evening and decided to go to Walmart at about 11 p.m. They left two children with their grandmother, Freddie Nicholson and Rector, who was downstairs. The report said the grandmother was upstairs and two children were playing hide-and-seek downstairs. When one girl went to the bathroom and came back out, the other child and Rector were missing

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[bessie]

You can drive yourself batty trying to put MSM news together. Don't try it. It's unhealthy, you can develop high blood pressure, weight gain, blury eyesight, numbness in legs, jaw muscle chewing and amnesia, I've read. ha ha

illowfight:


:laughing:

 

[TravelingBug]

Was the number of actual residents in that house even legal? Though something like that sounds like the least of LE's problems out there. Still, these types of residences overloaded with kids and adults are so often hives of criminals, smalltime or otherwise. Jmo

Truthfully I'd be shocked if we ever find out how many were truly living there and who was "staying" there (or whatever they'd phrase it).

I think it'll end up being a semantics game.

And with it seeming like it changed. A lot. And people in and out, they will probably get away with their semantics game. :waitasec:

Heck, we still have variations of whether or not Isabella's mom is truly married to the BF/husband or if it's in 'name only' or what their status really is.

Which adds to the confusion over 'grandmother' being used also, since that may also be in title only (like JJR being 'uncle')

Heck, we still have at least one news source that has it in print that the children in the home were NOT related to Isabella. And obviously the 10 year old has been repeatedly stated to be her sister, not a friend or even step or half sibling everywhere else media wise.

At this point it doesn't even seem like we're hearing other kids were even in the home (except maybe in and out to play or short-term like JJR) let alone non-sibling children.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/n...ice-body-found-near-site-girl-s-disappearance

The residents of the home include Isabella’s mother and other children who are not Isabella’s siblings, police Lt. Jerry Duke said. He added that Isabella’s biological father is not in the area.

I suspect most will clam up because the more that comes out about who was there (that night, as periodic 'residents,' or as those actually staying/living there longer term) the fear will grow over it becoming even worse or possibly add charges of other things since it seems pretty likely the girls were exposed to a whole lot of stuff people would rather not leaking out, so to speak.

 

[MsMarple]

I wasn't going to post but found what I think is yet another ((heaven help us please)) of what the Mom said kids were supposed to be doing when she left for Walmart snack run

http://kdminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=798&ArticleID=62826

"According to court records, Isabella's mother was not home at the time her daughter went missing. She and others went to Walmart, and she told Isabella and her 10-year-old sister to lie down in bed and watch a movie. The mother of her boyfriend was home with the children, court records state.

Hope ya'll are loving putting these on spreadsheets for easier reference

gee -- I should be numbering these options.....

Oh, for Pete's sake! Okay, plucking at my memory we have:

Grandma downstairs
Grandma upstairs, sleeping
Grandma alone with Bella and her sister
Grandma and JR with Bella and her sister
Grandma, JR and three other adults with Bella and her sister
Bella getting ready for bed
Bella playing hide and seek outside
Bella playing hide and seek inside
Bella watching a movie

Who volunteers to sort it out? It's especially tricky since mom has told LE and four reporters different stories. Combine that with erroneous reporting and we have quite a mess.

The police have released the court record – it's got to be posted somewhere online. I keep looking but so far haven't found it.