Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[lonetraveler]

The one thing that stands out to me is the supposed msg from JJR that night saying that he had Bella. If this was something he planned on covering up why in the world would he send that msg? I think she was alive when he sent it...but JMO.

Makes me wonder how the txt was actually worded.

 

[lonetraveler]

With what seems like so many people coming and going at the house, it could've been anyone, not necessarily the perp.

My hunch is the kids were playing hide-and-seek outside, and JR lured Bella away as part of the game. I'm thinking he was on foot the entire time. At least that's the version I'm going with for now. With this case, the options of what version to chose are limitless.

I totally agree. It is now like taking a multiple choice quizz.

 

[news.talk]

Would an 8 yr old girl leave home with El Creepo at midnight without calling out to GM or her sister?

I have wondered if something very inappropriate occurred at the residence between the suspect and victim, so she fled. He got angry, scared she would tell someone and pursued her which ended in her death. The texts may have been a cover.

There are so many other possibilities here...Tough to make ANY sense out of this mess. It would make it MUCH easier if the people that were supposed to protect her were honest and forthright. Do they not realize that they are handing Defense Counsel *reasonable doubt*?

 

[news.talk]

Would an 8 yr old girl leave home with El Creepo at midnight without calling out to GM or her sister?

Not on her own volition.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

I honestly can't watch another video of the mother. Not because of what any normal mother would be going through at such a traumatic time, but because I think she's a complete liar, and let her own child pay the ultimate price for HER lifestyle choice filled with drugs, drug users, drug dealers, criminals and violence. She may as well have just handed Bella over and said "do what you want".

Addiction, burglary, assault (bar fights or domestic), possessing drug paraphernalia DO NOT emphatically imply child molestation and murder.

Occam's Razor applies. The simplest explanation is most likely the truth.

Bottom line:

TG was surrounded by a criminal element, and she herself could be included in that description. She clearly was comfortable enough around the people, and that included JRR. It is no different than you or I hanging with friends and having a good time, trusting them and never thinking the worst of them.

Yes, the *criminal* aspect should lead one to mistrust and doubt but after you've been exposed to and emotionally involved with people (criminals or otherwise) the basic human emotions involved with comradery, love, affection are still valid and strong .. and with many people she considered *family*.

There was no conspiracy. TG and the group had no reason to believe JRR (whom in the past had watched or babysat her children on previous occasions) would molest (assumed) and murder *Bella* (a very fun-loving child, I've seen video of her interacting and playing .. Bella seemed more outgoing than her ten year old sister).

Something apparently snapped within JRR when he was playing "hide and seek" with the girls that evening. Clearly he allowed himself to succumb to a desire that he might have been harboring for some time or perhaps only more recently .. or perhaps the first time that evening.

JRR's perfect storm led to Bella's terror:

1) Evil desire.
2) Opportunity.
3) Distorted thinking.

TG and family are *VICTIMS* of Bella's murder.
TG's (and family's) pain is real and clearly deep.
Bella's murder will forever affect her life, just as it would any loving mother.
JRR is the *PERP*, just out of drug rehab, most likely not fully detoxed nor deterred from the desire.
TG, seeing JRR as family (possibly a cousin of RF?, relationship unknown) opened her home to help.

Her good deed led to the molestation (assumed) and murder of her own (seemingly favorite) child.

Condemnation of her has gone beyond the pale. Yes, she made tragically bad choices, but is not the death of her own child enough punishment for the rest of her life? And quite possibly , CPS / DA will determine TG was negligent in providing a safe environment for her children.

I find the penetrating, hate-filled attacks presented in social media, in this forum and in comments on news web sites directed at a mother whom has just lost her child to murder by a family friend to be extremely disturbing ... a mob mentality effort to inflict mental pain beyond the hurt of losing her child. I believe it is wrong, and unproductive.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

1 FALSE REPORT TO LAW ENFORCE 7/16/2013 GUILTY
2 DRUG PARAPHERNALIA-POSSESS/USE 7/16/2013 GUILTY
3 FAILURE TO APPEAR 2ND DEG 7/16/2013 COURT DISMISSAL

https://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

Snipped and bolded by me. I can't find the link for RF but doesn't he have the same charge, same date? What kind of false report do you have to file to get charged?

 

[newone]

IF female & male parent left the house w/friends who had a vehicle is it possible that JR used TG's car to do the deed, return the vehicle to spot on the street and then take off by foot to Wally world? (MOO)

 

[SCHMAE]

Snipped and bolded by me. I can't find the link for RF but doesn't he have the same charge, same date? What kind of false report do you have to file to get charged?

That's not as complicated as it sounds on the charge. Let's say for example 2 people are driving in a car and get pulled over and there are drugs in the car and both persons in the car say ' these drugs are my cousins and not mine'.... that's a false report to LE .

 

[news.talk]

Addiction, burglary, assault (bar fights or domestic), possessing drug paraphernalia DO NOT emphatically imply child molestation and murder.

Occam's Razor applies. The simplest explanation is most likely the truth.

Bottom line:

TG was surrounded by a criminal element, and she herself could be included in that description. She clearly was comfortable enough around the people, and that included JRR. It is no different than you or I hanging with friends and having a good time, trusting them and never thinking the worst of them.

Yes, the *criminal* aspect should lead one to mistrust and doubt but after you've been exposed to and emotionally involved with people (criminals or otherwise) the basic human emotions involved with comradery, love, affection are still valid and strong .. and with many people she considered *family*.

There was no conspiracy. TG and the group had no reason to believe JRR (whom in the past had watched or babysat her children on previous occasions) would molest (assumed) and murder *Bella* (a very fun-loving child, I've seen video of her interacting and playing .. Bella seemed more outgoing than her ten year old sister).

Something apparently snapped within JRR when he was playing "hide and seek" with the girls that evening. Clearly he allowed himself to succumb to a desire that he might have been harboring for some time or perhaps only more recently .. or perhaps the first time that evening.

JRR's perfect storm led to Bella's terror:

1) Evil desire.
2) Opportunity.
3) Distorted thinking.

TG and family are *VICTIMS* of Bella's murder.
TG's (and family's) pain is real and clearly deep.
Bella's murder will forever affect her life, just as it would any loving mother.
JRR is the *PERP*, just out of drug rehab, most likely not fully detoxed nor deterred from the desire.
TG, seeing JRR as family (possibly a cousin of RF?, relationship unknown) opened her home to help.

Her good deed led to the molestation (assumed) and murder of her own (seemingly favorite) child.

Condemnation of her has gone beyond the pale. Yes, she made tragically bad choices, but is not the death of her own child enough punishment for the rest of her life? And quite possibly , CPS / DA will determine TG was negligent in providing a safe environment for her children.

I find the penetrating, hate-filled attacks presented in social media, in this forum and in comments on news web sites directed at a mother whom has just lost her child to murder by a family friend to be extremely disturbing ... a mob mentality effort to inflict mental pain beyond the hurt of losing her child. I believe it is wrong, and unproductive.

What I am reading is not meant to inflict pain on anyone. It is to find out the truth so that there can be an awareness so no other child suffers this fate. Call it public education.

When you choose to live with lions, don't be surprised when someone gets attacked and killed. They may seem cute and harmless but they are still lions.

 

[newone]

JR last sighting at 11:30 p.m. reported by reliable minor at residence
JR sighted at Walmart @ 3 a.m. on CCTV
JR Hwy 95 - BHCPD @ 3:19 a.m.

Male parent from residence phones BHCPD @1:18 a.m.

those are the only hard core facts I can rely on for whereabouts -

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Would an 8 yr old girl leave home with El Creepo at midnight without calling out to GM or her sister?

If "El Creepo" enticed Bella by claiming he wanted her to go with him to surprise her mother at Wal-Mart .. seems to be the simplest method to get her away from the house with minimal issue.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

That's not as complicated as it sounds on the charge. Let's say for example 2 people are driving in a car and get pulled over and there are drugs in the car and both persons in the car say ' these drugs are my cousins and not mine'.... that's a false report to LE .

Thanks for explaining. A scenerio similar to that makes sense.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

JR last sighting at 11:30 p.m. reported by reliable minor at residence
JR sighted at Walmart @ 3 a.m. on CCTV
JR Hwy 95 - BHCPD @ 3:19 a.m.

Male parent from residence phones BHCPD @1:18 a.m.

those are the only hard core facts I can rely on for whereabouts -

I suspect the alleged texting between TG and JRR was initiated by TG to JRR after she and RF realized Bella was missing and immediate searching failed to find her. "Do you have Bella?", etc.

 

[tier]

Addiction, burglary, assault (bar fights or domestic), possessing drug paraphernalia DO NOT emphatically imply child molestation and murder.

Occam's Razor applies. The simplest explanation is most likely the truth.

Bottom line:

TG was surrounded by a criminal element, and she herself could be included in that description. She clearly was comfortable enough around the people, and that included JRR. It is no different than you or I hanging with friends and having a good time, trusting them and never thinking the worst of them.

Yes, the *criminal* aspect should lead one to mistrust and doubt but after you've been exposed to and emotionally involved with people (criminals or otherwise) the basic human emotions involved with comradery, love, affection are still valid and strong .. and with many people she considered *family*.

There was no conspiracy. TG and the group had no reason to believe JRR (whom in the past had watched or babysat her children on previous occasions) would molest (assumed) and murder *Bella* (a very fun-loving child, I've seen video of her interacting and playing .. Bella seemed more outgoing than her ten year old sister).

Something apparently snapped within JRR when he was playing "hide and seek" with the girls that evening. Clearly he allowed himself to succumb to a desire that he might have been harboring for some time or perhaps only more recently .. or perhaps the first time that evening.

JRR's perfect storm led to Bella's terror:

1) Evil desire.
2) Opportunity.
3) Distorted thinking.

TG and family are *VICTIMS* of Bella's murder.
TG's (and family's) pain is real and clearly deep.
Bella's murder will forever affect her life, just as it would any loving mother.
JRR is the *PERP*, just out of drug rehab, most likely not fully detoxed nor deterred from the desire.
TG, seeing JRR as family (possibly a cousin of RF?, relationship unknown) opened her home to help.

Her good deed led to the molestation (assumed) and murder of her own (seemingly favorite) child.

Condemnation of her has gone beyond the pale. Yes, she made tragically bad choices, but is not the death of her own child enough punishment for the rest of her life? And quite possibly , CPS / DA will determine TG was negligent in providing a safe environment for her children.

I find the penetrating, hate-filled attacks presented in social media, in this forum and in comments on news web sites directed at a mother whom has just lost her child to murder by a family friend to be extremely disturbing ... a mob mentality effort to inflict mental pain beyond the hurt of losing her child. I believe it is wrong, and unproductive.

I want to say I really liked your post and I would agree with it except for the fact that they seem to have not mentioned that JR was there and was now missing too. I know we do not have LE saying they didn't tell them but they said it was the sibling that told them so to me LE as good as did say that. And I feel that they might not have even got that until that sibling was separated from her parents since their was no Amber alert issued. The ever changing stories from mom also point to more than her being a victim.

 

[Krystine]

Addiction, burglary, assault (bar fights or domestic), possessing drug paraphernalia DO NOT emphatically imply child molestation and murder.

Occam's Razor applies. The simplest explanation is most likely the truth.

Bottom line:

TG was surrounded by a criminal element, and she herself could be included in that description. She clearly was comfortable enough around the people, and that included JRR. It is no different than you or I hanging with friends and having a good time, trusting them and never thinking the worst of them.

Yes, the *criminal* aspect should lead one to mistrust and doubt but after you've been exposed to and emotionally involved with people (criminals or otherwise) the basic human emotions involved with comradery, love, affection are still valid and strong .. and with many people she considered *family*.

There was no conspiracy. TG and the group had no reason to believe JRR (whom in the past had watched or babysat her children on previous occasions) would molest (assumed) and murder *Bella* (a very fun-loving child, I've seen video of her interacting and playing .. Bella seemed more outgoing than her ten year old sister).

Something apparently snapped within JRR when he was playing "hide and seek" with the girls that evening. Clearly he allowed himself to succumb to a desire that he might have been harboring for some time or perhaps only more recently .. or perhaps the first time that evening.

JRR's perfect storm led to Bella's terror:

1) Evil desire.
2) Opportunity.
3) Distorted thinking.

TG and family are *VICTIMS* of Bella's murder.
TG's (and family's) pain is real and clearly deep.
Bella's murder will forever affect her life, just as it would any loving mother.
JRR is the *PERP*, just out of drug rehab, most likely not fully detoxed nor deterred from the desire.
TG, seeing JRR as family (possibly a cousin of RF?, relationship unknown) opened her home to help.

Her good deed led to the molestation (assumed) and murder of her own (seemingly favorite) child.

Condemnation of her has gone beyond the pale. Yes, she made tragically bad choices, but is not the death of her own child enough punishment for the rest of her life? And quite possibly , CPS / DA will determine TG was negligent in providing a safe environment for her children.

I find the penetrating, hate-filled attacks presented in social media, in this forum and in comments on news web sites directed at a mother whom has just lost her child to murder by a family friend to be extremely disturbing ... a mob mentality effort to inflict mental pain beyond the hurt of losing her child. I believe it is wrong, and unproductive.

Some of us are still appalled and disgusted when parents' selfish choices lead to the exploitation of children, and these types of crimes. I think a healthy society needs to make judgements about the effects of substance abuse and put out the message that it is NOT okay to put your children at risk while you participate in a life of crime and debauchery.
Drugs are the underlying theme of the majority of WS cases. How can any adult in this day and age, with any level of education, not understand the severity of addiction and the risks to themselves and their loved ones ? Bleeding hearts go out of their way to defend the actions of addicts and criminals. No one's life is easy, we all take our lumps... it's a part of life, and the way we navigate through is very telling of who we are and what we're made of... I truly believe the outcry here is healthy. It proves that there are still people who are holding others responsible for their actions. MOO.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

What I am reading is not meant to inflict pain on anyone. It is to find out the truth so that there can be an awareness so no other child suffers this fate. Call it public education.

When you choose to live with lions, don't be surprised when someone gets attacked and killed. They may seem cute and harmless but they are still lions.

The only truth is what LE and the court reveals .. and so far, we do not know enough to paint a proper picture. Speculation is rampant because it is the only tool applicable at the current level of information.

As for the 'lions' quote, as I had commented: one becomes comfortable to the point where when a tragedy occurs, the *surprise* is quite real regardless of how well one was originally aware of the danger. This is what we have witnessed in this case: TG on the edge of breakdown.

 

[newone]

I suspect the alleged texting between TG and JRR was initiated by TG to JRR after she and RF realized Bella was missing and immediate searching failed to find her. "Do you have Bella?", etc.

I was trying to follow up on a MSM source for that ((failed)) so I wonder if it is being redacted. Cannot find it (texting evidence)and apparently it was reported.

I hear what you are saying....I wondered if it was meant as ''leverage'' for them TG & company to hurry up....and deadline passed so to speak.

 

[Amster]

No...I don't think the death of her child is enough punishment! That's like saying that someone who kills their parents should be treated mildly because he/she is now an orphan!! I feel this way about any woman or man who puts their needs and wants in front of their childs welfare! Case after case of mommys bf killing, raping, maiming a child! And, NOTHING is done to one who put that child in danger! This was not TG's first rodeo with the question of safety/welfare of her children. I don't give a flying flip how comfortable she was with all the criminals in her life! Keep them separate from the children! She had a choice. Her babies didn't. Her choices had fatal consequences for Bella....NOT HER...Bella. Maybe I just know too much about TG. Social media gives plenty of access to see what she's all about. What's disturbing to me is that these kids were ever returned to her care. Care is not what she provided. Nor safety. She provided an open door to a criminal element....one she KNEW was dangerous and depraved. No sympathy from me for the TG's of this world. My fervent hope is that she is judged harshly and pays a price with prison time. Maybe she will be the example to other parents who are providing a dangerous environment for these innocent ones....
Rant over...

 

[news.talk]

The only truth is what LE and the court reveals .. and so far, we do not know enough to paint a proper picture. Speculation is rampant because it is the only tool applicable at the current level of information.

As for the 'lions' quote, as I had commented: one becomes comfortable to the point where when a tragedy occurs, the *surprise* is quite real regardless of how well one was originally aware of the danger. This is what we have witnessed in this case: TG on the edge of breakdown.

I base my comments towards the mother, based on what has been reported by the mother herself.

She has impeded this investigation and in doing so will provide a wide berth for Reasonable Doubt to be found come trial. Essentially, she is helping the suspect get away with her daughters murder. If I was his Counsel, I would be slapping my hands in joy everytime she opens her mouth.

She put her daughter in danger, and clearly it is not the first time. She can't claim that she was used to this element in her children's lives so that makes her free from culpability.

There is a reason she lost a child before, a reason she lost her 10 year old this week by CPS, and sadly, there is a reason she lost Bella. It all comes back to her abysmal choices - not once, not for one bad year, for her children's entire lifetimes.

She is guilty. Guilty of child neglect, child endangerment, and stupidity. JMO

 

[newone]

I base my comments towards the mother, based on what has been reported by the mother herself.

She has impeded this investigation and in doing so will provide a wide berth for Reasonable Doubt to be found come trial. Essentially, she is helping the suspect get away with her daughters murder. If I was his Counsel, I would be slapping my hands in joy everything she opens her mouth.
She put her daughter in danger, and clearly it is not the first time. She can't claim that since she was used to this element in her children's lives so that makes her free from culpability.

There is a reason she lost a child before, a reason she lost her 10 year old this week by CPS, and sadly, there is a reason she lost Bella. It all comes back to her abysmal choices - not once, not for one bad year, for her children's entire lifetimes.

bbm:

bingo.....she was advised NOT to talk the media -- four in one day?! YIKES

she's not a reliable witness and her evidence could be tossed by all of her inconsistencies......I do hope BHCPD has enough to press more charges sooner than later to preserve some chance of justice for Bella