Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[mymadori]

I was trying to follow up on a MSM source for that ((failed)) so I wonder if it is being redacted. Cannot find it (texting evidence)and apparently it was reported.

I hear what you are saying....I wondered if it was meant as ''leverage'' for them TG & company to hurry up....and deadline passed so to speak.

Nope. The info about JRs text is still there. I cannot figure out how to get my phone to copy/paste, but it is in the link on my post #212.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

I want to say I really liked your post and I would agree with it except for the fact that they seem to have not mentioned that JR was there and was now missing too. I know we do not have LE saying they didn't tell them but they said it was the sibling that told them so to me LE as good as did say that. And I feel that they might not have even got that until that sibling was separated from her parents since their was no Amber alert issued. The ever changing stories from mom also point to more than her being a victim.

(modsnip) At which time, JJR might have reentered the dwelling (knocked or simply walked in via an unlocked patio door) and got the kids to play "hide and seek" outside.

LE made point the sibling told them of JJR because they were on scene an interacting with JJR at the time of the disappearance .. the parents were not home. That is all LE knew at the time. And all we know is that LE stated the sibling told them of their interactions with JJR that evening, and that early in the investigation LE will focus on the immediate circumstances extant at the time or immediately leading up to the time of the disappearance.

States enforce specific criteria for issuing an Amber Alert .. I suspect the circumstances at the time did not meet those requirements.

An ever-changing stories situation is not unusual from someone in extended shock (i.e., PTS) exasperated by a late-night, tiredness, etc. Moving forward, the brain does not present memories of exactly what occurred .. it is rare that someone retains exact fact and presents it without error. Add on top of that the very real possibility you will lose another child (to CPS). IMO, the changing stories are explainable by that which I described and also by sloppy reporting in print media.

 

[newone]

Here you go- MSM with info about the texts from JR to Bella's family. It says sister told the daily news about texts the family got from JR indicating he had Bella and asking what they were going to do about it" http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/suspect-charged-in-girl-s-death/article_94681350-34d0-11e4-b9e5-0019bb2963f4.html

bless you!


"The sister also told the Daily News that Rector later texted messages to the family indicating that he had Grogan-Cannella and asking what they were going to do about it.When asked about possible extortion charges being filed against Rector, Williamson said he couldn’t answer the question due to the active nature of the investigation."

that's a taunt......for sure.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Some of us are still appalled and disgusted when parents' selfish choices lead to the exploitation of children, and these types of crimes. I think a healthy society needs to make judgements about the effects of substance abuse and put out the message that it is NOT okay to put your children at risk while you participate in a life of crime and debauchery.
Drugs are the underlying theme of the majority of WS cases. How can any adult in this day and age, with any level of education, not understand the severity of addiction and the risks to themselves and their loved ones ? Bleeding hearts go out of their way to defend the actions of addicts and criminals. No one's life is easy, we all take our lumps... it's a part of life, and the way we navigate through is very telling of who we are and what we're made of... I truly believe the outcry here is healthy. It proves that there are still people who are holding others responsible for their actions. MOO.

Understanding their situations and helping them grow beyond addiction and bad choices *BEFORE TRAGEDIES OCCUR* is the answer. Beating up someone after the fact is unproductive.

 

[news.talk]

I saw a comment in social media from a person who claimed JRR had attempted to use them as an alibi that evening but they refused him. That, IMO, seems to confirm that JRR had seemingly left TG's house (with false claim to be heading to a friend's house) when the group existed to go to Wal-Mart, but instead he remained hidden until the group drove away. At which time, JRR might have reentered the dwelling (knocked or simply walked in via an unlocked patio door) and got the kids to play "hide and seek" outside.

LE made point the sibling told them of JRR because they were on scene an interacting with JRR at the time of the disappearance .. the parents were not home. That is all LE knew at the time. And all we know is that LE stated the sibling told them of their interactions with JRR that evening, and that early in the investigation LE will focus on the immediate circumstances extant at the time or immediately leading up to the time of the disappearance.

States enforce specific criteria for issuing an Amber Alert .. I suspect the circumstances at the time did not meet those requirements.

An ever-changing stories situation is not unusual from someone in extended shock (i.e., PTS) exasperated by a late-night, tiredness, etc. Moving forward, the brain does not present memories of exactly what occurred .. it is rare that someone retains exact fact and presents it without error. Add on top of that the very real possibility you will lose another child (to CPS). IMO, the changing stories are explainable by that which I described and also by sloppy reporting in print media.

When you are telling the truth, you don't have to have a good memory. I could be half dead and STILL would be able to account for every SECOND of the night my child was murdered.

 

[mymadori]

Most of the time, I find myself sympathetic to the family of the victims, even if their neglect or drug addictions led to the child's death. In this case, I cannot. The reason is simple. Once her child was determined to be in imminent danger, she STILL didn't do everything in her power to protect her child. If the text from JR was received...or even if it wasn't and she found out about JR through Bella's sister, she felt it was important enough to call 911 but NOT important enough to tell LE about JR. Why? Self preservation. Absolutely zero sympathy.

For those still in doubt about whether JR actually sent the reported texts...why do you suppose there's discussion of possible extortion charges?

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[news.talk]

Understanding their situations and helping them grow beyond addiction and bad choices *BEFORE TRAGEDIES OCCUR* is the answer. Beating up someone after the fact is unproductive.

So she shouldn't be held accountable? She should get a 'pass' on despicable decisions that led to her child's death? She should be forgiven for providing inaccurate, conflicting and false information to the hundreds of law enforcement personnel that couldn't do there job properly? Had she told them about JR being in the house and then vanishing at the same time her daughter disappeared, the texts she received, MAYBE Bella would be alive? They phoned 911 just after 1:00 a.m. and left out CRUCIAL information that may have helped them find the suspect before he killed Bella. Instead, they were searching soccer fields and river accesses for a lost child.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bless you!


"The sister also told the Daily News that Rector later texted messages to the family indicating that he had Grogan-Cannella and asking what they were going to do about it.When asked about possible extortion charges being filed against Rector, Williamson said he couldn’t answer the question due to the active nature of the investigation."

that's a taunt......for sure.

It is possible TG had texted JJR first and the sister assumed JJR's reply was the initial contact .. she might not have been aware her mother initially reached out to JJR?

 

[Amster]

And we wonder why these things keep happening over and over and over to these innocent children? I suppose it's easy to find excuses for anything in the abstract. Until one is presented with the reality of this kind of situation threatening one who is loved dearly. The excuses and explaining away of T's behaviour, lifestyle, choices leaves me feeling ill. Not one word of how little Bella might have felt.....did she scream? Was she shaking? IN SHOCK? My hope is that T is haunted by those questions for eternity. But, I doubt it.

 

[news.talk]

And we wonder why these things keep happening over and over and over to these innocent children? I suppose it's easy to find excuses for anything in the abstract. Until one is presented with the reality of this kind of situation threatening one who is loved dearly. The excuses and explaining away of T's behaviour, lifestyle, choices leaves me feeling ill. Not one word of how little Bella might have felt.....did she scream? Was she shaking? IN SHOCK? My hope is that T is haunted by those questions for eternity. But, I doubt it.

Parents are *supposed* to put their children first. When decisions are based on what the child needs and not what is best for the parent, the chances of these types of tragedies are significantly reduced. It's not rocket science, it's parenting.

 

[Makaroni]

What is it with these moms who do not cry tears? Thinking about something bad happening to my children makes me tear up. Maybe I am just over hydrated.

FWIW, I was crying earlier discussing my best friend's daughter and middle school and how I hated it ..

ETA .. This was based on the awkwardness of those years .. No real "issues".

 

[newone]

Understanding their situations and helping them grow beyond addiction and bad choices *BEFORE TRAGEDIES OCCUR* is the answer. Beating up someone after the fact is unproductive.

I believe most WS here wish to have those responsible for Bella's death held accountable. RE-examination of the evidence especially provided by the parents is important to understanding the events. Here at WS we take what the victim's family has to say as ''fact'' as presented from MSM. Sadly in this case the inconsistencies have raised some uncomfortable issues that need to be addressed to understand what occurred. I feel most of us have done a good job at that to date.

 

[tiredblondy]

I saw a comment in social media from a person who claimed JRR had attempted to use them as an alibi that evening but they refused him. That, IMO, seems to confirm that JRR had seemingly left TG's house (with false claim to be heading to a friend's house) when the group existed to go to Wal-Mart, but instead he remained hidden until the group drove away. At which time, JRR might have reentered the dwelling (knocked or simply walked in via an unlocked patio door) and got the kids to play "hide and seek" outside.

LE made point the sibling told them of JRR because they were on scene an interacting with JRR at the time of the disappearance .. the parents were not home. That is all LE knew at the time. And all we know is that LE stated the sibling told them of their interactions with JRR that evening, and that early in the investigation LE will focus on the immediate circumstances extant at the time or immediately leading up to the time of the disappearance.

States enforce specific criteria for issuing an Amber Alert .. I suspect the circumstances at the time did not meet those requirements.

An ever-changing stories situation is not unusual from someone in extended shock (i.e., PTS) exasperated by a late-night, tiredness, etc. Moving forward, the brain does not present memories of exactly what occurred .. it is rare that someone retains exact fact and presents it without error. Add on top of that the very real possibility you will lose another child (to CPS). IMO, the changing stories are explainable by that which I described and also by sloppy reporting in print media.

Sorry my opinion is that she is in CYA mode.

 

[newone]

It is possible TG had texted JJR first and the sister assumed JJR's reply was the initial contact .. she might not have been aware her mother initially reached out to JJR?

This is the only 'source' MSM we have at this point.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

When you are telling the truth, you don't have to have a good memory. I could be half dead and STILL would be able to account for every SECOND of the night my child was murdered.

Some people, unfortunately are afflicted with brain issues that prevent maintaining explicit memory ... I know this from extremely close experience.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Most of the time, I find myself sympathetic to the family of the victims, even if their neglect or drug addictions led to the child's death. In this case, I cannot. The reason is simple. Once her child was determined to be in imminent danger, she STILL didn't do everything in her power to protect her child. If the text from JR was received...or even if it wasn't and she found out about JR through Bella's sister, she felt it was important enough to call 911 but NOT important enough to tell LE about JR. Why? Self preservation. Absolutely zero sympathy.

For those still in doubt about whether JR actually sent the reported texts...why do you suppose there's discussion of possible extortion charges?

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"Talk" of "extortion charges" came from a reporter, not LE.

 

[news.talk]

Sorry my opinion is that she is in CYA mode.

I call it, "self-preservation" mode. It appears she is answering questions based on trying to defend her parenting abilities rather than presenting facts. I have no doubt she is also trying to shield herself from prosecution for child neglect and endangerment. Frankly, she seems more concerned about what people in social media are saying than the death of her daughter - "I'm a good mother!"

:handslap:

 

[Ontario Mom]

Absolutely, no tears at all, none, nada, zilch.................nothing! This is the most fake crying I've seen since Susan Smith. I think that Bella's Grandmother's comments were right on.

Sometimes it feels quite striking how many people I've come across over the years who *knew* Susan Smith was flat out lying her face off. 1994 and I'd been on the internet for about a year, so I did discuss this case with some friends online but that was back in the day where discussion forum posts might take hours to update, so it certainly wasn't live and/or instant like we have now. I remember it almost as clear as last week, the first time I saw one of her televised "pleas" for her children. She wasn't even done talking and I yelled out, turned to my hubby and said "she's lying through her teeth, she killed those boys!!"

I honestly don't know how I knew, but I knew. I don't know if it was her body language, audio inflection, facial expression, the fabled "women's 6th sense" or what it was (or maybe a combination of all that) but something deep inside said "this woman in lying, she killed her children". That was the first case I ever really followed and it was a LOT harder back then than it is now. No one I knew at the time agreed with me that she was lying but as the years go by it's kind of nice to know there were many others that watched her during those first few weeks and had that inner-whatever say "she's lying, she did it".

It's just good to know I wasn't the only weirdo who didn't buy it from her, and doesn't buy it with other liars who play the media for whatever twisted reason.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

So she shouldn't be held accountable? She should get a 'pass' on despicable decisions that led to her child's death? She should be forgiven for providing inaccurate, conflicting and false information to the hundreds of law enforcement personnel that couldn't do there job properly? Had she told them about JR being in the house and then vanishing at the same time her daughter disappeared, the texts she received, MAYBE Bella would be alive? They phoned 911 just after 1:00 a.m. and left out CRUCIAL information that may have helped them find the suspect before he killed Bella. Instead, they were searching soccer fields and river accesses for a lost child.

We still do not have all the facts. It does not look good for TG and RF .. but I'm willing to wait for actual facts before I grab a bat.

 

[Ontario Mom]

the video indicated that he arrived in a car walked around suspiciously and left in a car - didn't say whether he was a passenger or the driver of said car nor did the video describe the car but we do know that TG's car was secured as evidence.......

so whose car was it?

I don't recall reading that, do you have a link handy?