Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[news.talk]

it was midnight too .... library would be closed. But according to TG = there was no text -- FBI had her phone -- that was just as disjointed as her quote in the article.

“How would Justin even have had a phone? Because the FBI had my phone and there wasn’t a text message. I just want that to be clear" and

'“I was told that my daughter made a statement to (the Daily News) and you (reporters) took it out of proportion, that there was a text message,” Grogan said. “Well, you know what? She’s 10 years old, under a lot of stress right now, and she doesn’t know what the heck she’s saying."

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

She is not denying there was a *message* just that she didn't get a TEXT message. She could have a FB message.

 

[Oddsocks]

Remember the rumour that he had left a note? Did anything come of that?

 

[newone]

This was after he had allegedly been cleared by the FBI

daughter had indicated that JR had sent texts night Bella left with him....that's what the article was alluding to, I so unless he had a cell phone or a tablet -- dunno

 

[news.talk]

Possible resources:

* Friend's computer, tablet or smartphone.
* Public Library.
* Hotel (provided for guests but I've witnessed walk-ins casually enter the computer room and type away).
* Unknown if TG has a computer.

I think it is far more likely he had a smart phone than any desk-top scenario.

 

[margarita25]

BBM:

rsbm
TG is guilty only of exposing her children to the druggies / drug culture .. not to a child murderer. rsbm

TG is guilty of exposing her children to a known pet strangler, jmo, drugs or no drugs.

 

[tier]

it was midnight too .... library would be closed. But according to TG = there was no text -- FBI had her phone -- that was just as disjointed as her quote in the article.

“How would Justin even have had a phone? Because the FBI had my phone and there wasn’t a text message. I just want that to be clear" and

'“I was told that my daughter made a statement to (the Daily News) and you (reporters) took it out of proportion, that there was a text message,” Grogan said. “Well, you know what? She’s 10 years old, under a lot of stress right now, and she doesn’t know what the heck she’s saying."

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

Yes, I can see it now, under stress one imagines out of thin air that not only was there a text message but also that it said something like "I have Bella. What are you going to do about it?" when they were all clueless that this virtual stranger, JR, even had access to Bella. Yep. Sounds totally reasonable.

 

[news.talk]

daughter had indicated that JR had sent texts night Bella left with him....that's what the article was alluding to, I so unless he had a cell phone or a tablet -- dunno

It's still possible that FB messages came as texts. Mine do. It is also possible that a ten year old child who's sister was just murdered said the word 'texts' as opposed to 'FB Messenger'.

 

[newone]

She is not denying there was a *message* just that she didn't get a TEXT message. She could have a FB message.

yep slippery fish

 

[newone]

I'm pretty sure they were Facebook messages, not texts.

so TG is just playing? with words to mess with us?

 

[SilkySifaka]

Addiction, burglary, assault (bar fights or domestic), possessing drug paraphernalia DO NOT emphatically imply child molestation and murder.

Occam's Razor applies. The simplest explanation is most likely the truth.

Bottom line:

TG was surrounded by a criminal element, and she herself could be included in that description. She clearly was comfortable enough around the people, and that included JRR. It is no different than you or I hanging with friends and having a good time, trusting them and never thinking the worst of them.

Yes, the *criminal* aspect should lead one to mistrust and doubt but after you've been exposed to and emotionally involved with people (criminals or otherwise) the basic human emotions involved with comradery, love, affection are still valid and strong .. and with many people she considered *family*.

There was no conspiracy. TG and the group had no reason to believe JRR (whom in the past had watched or babysat her children on previous occasions) would molest (assumed) and murder *Bella* (a very fun-loving child, I've seen video of her interacting and playing .. Bella seemed more outgoing than her ten year old sister).

Something apparently snapped within JRR when he was playing "hide and seek" with the girls that evening. Clearly he allowed himself to succumb to a desire that he might have been harboring for some time or perhaps only more recently .. or perhaps the first time that evening.

JRR's perfect storm led to Bella's terror:

1) Evil desire.
2) Opportunity.
3) Distorted thinking.

TG and family are *VICTIMS* of Bella's murder.
TG's (and family's) pain is real and clearly deep.
Bella's murder will forever affect her life, just as it would any loving mother.
JRR is the *PERP*, just out of drug rehab, most likely not fully detoxed nor deterred from the desire.
TG, seeing JRR as family (possibly a cousin of RF?, relationship unknown) opened her home to help.

Her good deed led to the molestation (assumed) and murder of her own (seemingly favorite) child.

Condemnation of her has gone beyond the pale. Yes, she made tragically bad choices, but is not the death of her own child enough punishment for the rest of her life? And quite possibly , CPS / DA will determine TG was negligent in providing a safe environment for her children.

I find the penetrating, hate-filled attacks presented in social media, in this forum and in comments on news web sites directed at a mother whom has just lost her child to murder by a family friend to be extremely disturbing ... a mob mentality effort to inflict mental pain beyond the hurt of losing her child. I believe it is wrong, and unproductive.

Thank you is not enough

 

[ChuckMaureen]

it was midnight too .... library would be closed. But according to TG = there was no text -- FBI had her phone -- that was just as disjointed as her quote in the article.

“How would Justin even have had a phone? Because the FBI had my phone and there wasn’t a text message. I just want that to be clear" and

'“I was told that my daughter made a statement to (the Daily News) and you (reporters) took it out of proportion, that there was a text message,” Grogan said. “Well, you know what? She’s 10 years old, under a lot of stress right now, and she doesn’t know what the heck she’s saying."

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

The child might have overheard parents discussing sending messages to whomever to inquire if they'd seen Isabella or discuss what they were going to do about the situation (a search, contact family members, whomever) or for that matter in also locating JJR to help in the search (parents had no primary reason to suspect foul play by JJR or anyone else at that time)?

 

[news.talk]

so TG is just playing? with words to mess with us?

To hide the fact she failed to report a kidnapping that resulted in her child's death? Yep... It doesn't fit her agenda of telling the world she is *a good mother* - She would be also admitting she obstructed justice which is a crime.

 

[newone]

She is not denying there was a *message* just that she didn't get a TEXT message. She could have a FB message.

yep I get it....she's playing a word game

 

[bessie]

It was an *FYI*, identifying the fact that one does not need a cell / mobile phone to send text messages .. nothing more than a simple, technical fact for future reference.

I am inclined to believe there were no text messages sent as described by the sibing ... even if TG had deleted messages sent to or from her mobile phone the carrier's (Verizon, ATT or whichever) records would reveal their existence and you can be sure the FBI has the records or is in process of obtaining them.

Though a log of incoming and outgoing messages would be obtainable, few carriers retain the content of text messages.

I'm sorry that I can't access links right now. I did just post them tonight in Erin Corwin's thread.


ETA: It was the Christina Morris thread.

http://www.networkworld.com/article...illion-customer-cellphone-records-in-201.html

https://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-loc...ponse-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart

http://www.wired.com/2011/09/cellular-customer-data/

https://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/how-long-your-cell-phone-company-hanging-your-data

 

[tier]

it was midnight too .... library would be closed. But according to TG = there was no text -- FBI had her phone -- that was just as disjointed as her quote in the article.

“How would Justin even have had a phone? Because the FBI had my phone and there wasn’t a text message. I just want that to be clear" and

'“I was told that my daughter made a statement to (the Daily News) and you (reporters) took it out of proportion, that there was a text message,” Grogan said. “Well, you know what? She’s 10 years old, under a lot of stress right now, and she doesn’t know what the heck she’s saying."

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

Also how did the reporters take that statement out of proportion? That there was a text message? So is she saying her daughter said it was a phone call or email instead? Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[newone]

Also how did the reporters take that statement out of proportion? That there was a text message? So is she saying her daughter said it was a phone call or email instead? Curiouser and curiouser.

hair splitting game player for sure....total deflection

 

[margarita25]

Do we know for sure that TG knew about the history of assault, etc with JJR's children?

 

[newone]

Remember the rumour that he had left a note? Did anything come of that?

Was that one of the questions posed at the Press Conference with BHCPD?

 

[newone]

I keep coming across references to a supposed msg. Is this a rumor that is just continuing on the threads that has no basis? Or does it and someone has a link to that basis?

TIA

It was reported....and Bessie even provided a link for it this evening in this thread...post 564

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...php?p=10927321

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/...9bb2963f4.html

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Though a log of incoming and outgoing messages would be obtainable, few carriers retain the content of text messages.

I'm sorry that I can't access links right now. I did just post them tonight in Erin Corwin's thread.

http://www.patrol-log.com/2013/12/0...-carrier-keep-a-record-of-your-text-messages/