Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[ChuckMaureen]

She is not denying there was a *message* just that she didn't get a TEXT message. She could have a FB message.

And she is not confirming there was any message, text or otherwise. ;-)

I do not sense that as word gaming from TG. The context of the report is regarding "text messages", nothing more. TG was responding to that point.

Not that we may broad stroke common sense to JJR and his actions that evening, why in whatever reason would JJR send a message to TG indicating he had kidnapped her daughter? Did he want to be sent back to jail? Good food? Three hots and a cot? He supposedly already had that at TG's.

As I had commented previously ... I believe this was a crime of opportunity, planned or otherwise, that JJR succumbed to an evil desire. I suspect he had no desire to inform anyone of his crime hence, his Wal-Mart shopping spree during the wee hours of the morning and initial denials to LE.

 

[musicaljoke]

“The sister also told the Daily News that Rector later texted messages to the family indicating that he had Grogan-Cannella and asking what they were going to do about it.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10927321

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_94681350-34d0-11e4-b9e5-0019bb2963f4.html

The sister probably didn't see the text, which was probably sent to "the family". The wording of the text would have been told to her by "the family" who is not known for integrity or accuracy in anything so far. I take this text with a huge pile of salt. He could just as much have said, "I've taken care of Bella..."

But, the good thing that comes from this is that "the family" revealed that there WERE texts. The actual wording will be available for evidence ... or maybe not. :/

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/man-charged-killing-8-year-old-arizona-girl

A few things in the above article don't make sense to me....
"Rector had been staying with Isabella’s family for a few days, Williamson said. Isabella, who was called “Bella,” was put to bed late Monday night and discovered missing from her home about 1 a.m. Tuesday.

Isabella’s 10-year-old sister told police that she, Isabella and Rector were playing hide-and-seek late Monday night while the mother, Tania Grogan, was at Wal-Mart.

The sister went into a bedroom to find that Bella and Rector were no longer there, called Grogan and alerted an adult who was upstairs at the home. Grogan returned home and, after an unsuccessful search, called police at 1:18 a.m."<~~~~~If they were playing hide and seek while mom was ALREADY at walmart, what time did mom actually leave? Who put Bella to bed and at what time? Is the sister who went into the room to find both Bella and Rector missing the SAME sister who shared a room with her? WAY too many things are not adding up in this story

and... How could grandma still be sleeping during the 911 call (as RF said) ... if she had already been alerted to missing Bella by the 10 year old sister....

:waitasec:

 

[atthelake]

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

hang onto your hats as you read this one

JR didn't have a phone

At link she says

&#8220;I was told that my daughter made astatement to (the Daily News) and you (reporters) took it out of proportion, that there was a text message,&#8221; Grogan said. &#8220;Well, you know what? She&#8217;s 10 years old, under a lot of stress right now, and she doesn&#8217;t know what the heck she&#8217;s saying.

&#8220;How would Justin even have had a phone? Because the FBI had my phone and there wasn&#8217;t a text message. I just want that to be clear."

&#8220;People are not going to donate money to help me,&#8221; she said. &#8220;Yes, Dimond and Sons is going to donate her funeral in full but what about the food at the funeral? What about all the family members coming from out of state?&#8221;

She anticipates opening an account at fundme.com to help with bringing relatives to town for the service.

Where I live, when someone dies they themselves aren't responsible for buying the food\ - the friends and church members etc. organize such a potluck if there is a gathering back at the house afterwards. It's not like renting a countryclub for a sit down fgs. Also, most states have victims funds for funerals iirc. Know we discussed this on an AZ case recently, don't know what CA policy is.

 

[Krystine]

Understanding their situations and helping them grow beyond addiction and bad choices *BEFORE TRAGEDIES OCCUR* is the answer. Beating up someone after the fact is unproductive.

I am not willing to take the blame for this child's death because I wasn't able to help TG 'grow' beyond her addiction and bad choices. That would be up to her.
I always bristle when I hear someone defend someone else's heinous actions. I'm not condemning the mother, but her choices and actions lead to her child's murder. When society becomes indifferent to the influence of drug culture, and the crimes that support it, we are all in serious trouble.
I think it is productive to take a stand, ...it's really all we can do with our frustration when we see one child after another sacrificed to a lifestyle.

If I hear one more statement that goes like "it wasn't him, it was the drugs"... I will implode... it WAS him... on drugs.

 

[Seajay]

bbm



I disagree. The same way the Wrights did not cause GG to be a child murderer, so it is with TG and JJR .. she did not cause him to be a child murder. And, the Wrights *did* bring GG to Jenisie .. as per claimed "mentoring" and treating him like "family". The cases in that sense are the same. The criminal element of either case (whether drugs or something-we-are-not-permitted-to-mention) had no bearing on whether or not either perp was a child murderer.

The Wrights did not KNOW there was something wrong with GG. Sure Mr. Wright mentored him, tried to be a good example for the kid and help him. TG's efforts to help JJR are no as altruistic. She knew he was a criminal, she knew he hurt animals, she knew he was a drug addict, she knew his was not a safe person to have around her children.

You protect your children from those elements in life, not throw them into it. It's a known fact a drug addict is more apt to commit a crime then someone who never touches drugs. Drugs make people do stupid and hurtful things. Drugs take away people's conscience. Drugs make things sound ok that would not even be considered if the person wasn't under the influence. That's why drugs are dangerous. We are suppose to be good examples for our children, and we are suppose to protect them, bring them up in a safe and happy environment. Bella is dead. She was not brought up and a safe and happy environment. Had TG protected her daughter and kept that kind of people out of her house that she allowed in it, Bella would not be dead right now. Bella didn't invite those people in, Bella didn't have a choice as to what was going on in that house. TG did. Did she protect her daughter? Did she make sure her daughter was safe? Did she leave her child with a reliable, upstanding citizen? I vetted everyone who went near my children. I wouldn't let them spend the night at my own sister's house because her husband smoked pot in front of them once. If you are any kind of parent, you watch out for your children and protect them against anyone.

Sure, bad things still happen, kid get swiped off their front yards while playing while Mom is doing dishes. In that case, the mother isn't at fault. The kids were in their own yard.

But in this case, she brought the evil into her house. She knew he had a criminal record, that he was violent, and she chose to let her daughters stay with him. A little common sense would have gone a long way and Bella would have been alive had any been used. IMO.

 

[atthelake]

Honestly, I don't even know where to begin commenting on this article. TG *again* seems more interested in getting money and clearing her name on social media, than the murder of her daughter.

After she stated that the FBI asked the suspect how he could do this TO TANIA, I could barely read I was shaking my head so hard.

Since there is no text on her phone, then clearly it never existed. She also counted Bella's toes and since they are all there, then everything questioning the events of the evening is wrong.

We get it - You're a GOOD mother. You never say no, you buy them expensive toys while the state pays for your children's lunches, since they have been around your drug addict friends their whole lives, it's OK because they are used to it. It's also the fault of the police that your daughter was not found in time... You truly are... A good mother.

:thud:

Grogan never got the chance to ask her question. &#8220;He already had a visit, so I wasn&#8217;t able to go in,&#8221; she said, adding that she&#8217;s not giving up. &#8220;I&#8217;m going to try and get a confession out of him.

&#8220;Not to mention the FBI thinks it&#8217;s a good idea because when he lawyered up and the FBI agent walked out of the room and said, &#8216;Why did you do this to Tania?&#8217; that was a trigger and he broke down. He stood his ground until he heard my name.&#8221;

:banghead:

&#8220;Bella never listened to me because I let her walk all over me,&#8221; Grogan recalled. &#8220;I never once scolded her. Even though I said &#8216;Bella, you&#8217;re grounded for life,&#8217; I&#8217;d still buy her everything she wanted.&#8221;

&#8220;There&#8217;s a $600 trampoline outside and an $800 inflatable water slide,&#8221; added Folster. &#8220;What kind of kids get that?&#8221;

:banghead: and SMH - She.Does.Not.Get.It as to what parenting is all about

 

[atthelake]

it was midnight too .... library would be closed. But according to TG = there was no text -- FBI had her phone -- that was just as disjointed as her quote in the article.

&#8220;How would Justin even have had a phone? Because the FBI had my phone and there wasn&#8217;t a text message. I just want that to be clear" and

'&#8220;I was told that my daughter made a statement to (the Daily News) and you (reporters) took it out of proportion, that there was a text message,&#8221; Grogan said. &#8220;Well, you know what? She&#8217;s 10 years old, under a lot of stress right now, and she doesn&#8217;t know what the heck she&#8217;s saying."

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

This infers that she was not present when her child of 10 years old was being interviewed by a media outlet. Did she not know that her child was being interviewed? I thought reputable media outlets do NOT publish quotes from minors unless parents permission... She really is making matters worse

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

thank you for bringing that up!! -- it rings a bell with me and I was unsuccessful at finding an MSM source

I am not sure if there has been an actual MSM report that TG and the others in the house did not allow LE to come in and search their house originally...

but there has been actual video footage of the LE going to the home rather assertively, saying "Open the door with your hands up!" at a later time...

So this gives me the impression the people in the house were not being cooperative...

JMO...

 

[TravelingBug]

I just really don't get the feeling that the parents had any direct involvement in this murder.

I also don't think it's weird to go shopping late at night. My grocery store is 24/hr and I go there at all hours of the night. There are no lines and its nice and quiet and my days can be pretty busy, with kids and activities and making dinner.

But I don't most people who go shopping late at night (and I have at times as well) don't leave their elementary aged children home and up watching a movie on a school/work night around 11 am.

And even if they do, I don't think most would do that PLUS leave them with a family member who is sleeping (while the kids are awake) - and that family member apparently being a VERY sound sleeper since she reportedly slept through everything (including a supposed search of the house AND a wailing female) - as you'd think if someone left their kids that age up at that hour, they'd want someone actually in the same part of the house AND watching them.

Plus, I don't think most would take 90+ minutes to simply buy a few snacks. (Although heck, I'd not be surprised if we hear mom claiming they went to buy the things to make snacks somewhere else and that's what took so long :facepalm

Nor take 90+ minutes knowing at that point their elementary aged children were now up still at 1 something am (unsupervised since the 'adult' was sleeping in a different part of the house) and STILL not en route back home until after they were alerted one of the kids was missing. :scared:

 

[Seajay]

&#8220;I did not hurt my daughter. I&#8217;m a great mother.&#8221;

Tasha Bahena agreed. &#8220;She would kill for her children,&#8221; she said, &#8220;and the police didn&#8217;t do their job as far as I&#8217;m concerned. Bella should have been found a lot sooner and she wasn&#8217;t even far from the house, I heard.

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

Are you kidding me right now??? The friend blames the police for not finding Bella sooner??? Wha????? Had the police been called sooner, like when Mom first heard Bella was missing, and had Mom told police that Rector had been there and was missing too, then maybe Bella would have still been alive. It's preposterous to blame the police for something the mother did. Sheesh.

 

[Seajay]

Sure, I feel bad for her as a mother losing her daughter. No parent should ever have to go through that. In my mind that's the ultimate loss anyone could have is the loss of a child.

It's been 5 days since Bella went missing and 4 days since she was discovered dead. I had a good friend die a few years ago of cardiac/respiratory failure. He was 57. I was so devastated, I cried for 4 straight days.

If it was my child, I'd still be crying. This gal is giving interviews and concerning herself with social media and whatnot. I dunno, maybe it's a way to postpone and deflect the pain of loss, concentrate on something else besides the death of her child.

I won't even go into the whole hands and toes part of that interview. The knot in my stomach is making me want to throw up.

 

[TravelingBug]

I believe this is why TG's own mother has been quoted in msm articles saying "the stories keep changing" and that she suspects her own daughter had something to do with it.

Bella was put to bed
Bella was playing hide and seek
Bella was watching a dvd
Bella was getting ready for bed (in the living room)

Then, the statements about Rector:

He wasn't even that well known to her (TG)
He was a close friend of the family
He was extended family
They didn't even know he was there
He was living there (fresh out of rehab, nowhere else to go)
He'd left earlier
He was downstairs in the living room with the girls

So... which is it? Or, is it actually NONE of the above for each?

What time did TG and RF actually leave with the trip to Walmart story?
What time did older sister wake up RF's mom then call TG to say she couldn't find Bella?
What time was that 911 call actually placed?

Then there is the "grandma" - RF's mom:

Sister woke up her up to tell he she couldn't find Bella
She was asleep the whole time (even according to RF during the 911 call)

The biggest problem with this case (timeline wise) is that the story and the details just seem to change at the drop of a hat. What we DO know is that sometime in that 11pm-??am window, JR murdered that precious child and buried her, then went to Walmart, stole clothes and was spotted at 3:15 by the police. According to google map, if he walked there, it was a 30 minute walk. If he got a ride, it was 5 minutes. Knowing what time he was actually there might narrow things down a bit but I don't think that's ever been mentioned.

Just a few rambling thoughts trying to piece it all together.

It's like mom is creating one of those 'choose your own adventure' story with all of this.

Turn to page 63 if the kids play hide-and-go-seek outside.
Turn to page 25 if they watch movies in bed.

:facepalm:

 

[skibaboo]

Remember the rumour that he had left a note? Did anything come of that?

*speculating*

Maybe that's it, maybe JJR left a note "I have Bella, what you gonna do about it"

If TG called her mom before they called 911 and said they have Bella, a note could be where she gets that from. Homeless guy, maybe got no phone, if he sent a message, leaving a note seems a plausible explanation. Would tie in with extortion charges if those turn out to be true.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Actually, TG didn't say JR didn't have a cell phone:

&#8220;How would Justin even have had a phone? Because the FBI had my phone and there wasn&#8217;t a text message. I just want that to be clear.

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

Justin more than likely had a phone. Even the simplest, cheapest phone has text capabilities. Her statement indicates that he couldn't have had a phone because she had no message on hers? Huh? Doesn't make sense. If her phone didn't have any messages, it could be because she deleted them.

I just hope it's a case where deleted messages can be retrieved. TG is quite the slippery speaker. However, I doubt she is sophisticated enough to keep up with technology in crime cases the way some of the sleuthers here are.

ETA: After watching too much true-crime TV and observing dozens and dozens of cases and trials, I've learned that many homeless people have cell phones provided by the family.

 

[Seajay]

So, TG isn't denying that there was some sort of communication between she and JJR about Bella, she's just denying the mode of communication that was used. The 10 year old said text message, she's saying that's not true. So it could be a FB message or something else. Doesn't mean there wasn't communication. Semantics. Hair splitting. Neither here nor there. Doesn't mean carp in the big scheme of things. Her daughter is dead.

 

[newone]

Actually, TG didn't say JR didn't have a cell phone:



http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

Justin more than likely had a phone. Even the simplest, cheapest phone has text capabilities. Her statement indicates that he couldn't have had a phone because she had no message on hers? Huh? Doesn't make sense. If her phone didn't have any messages, it could be because she deleted them.

I just hope it's a case where deleted messages can be retrieved. TG is quite the slippery speaker. However, I doubt she is sophisticated enough to keep up with technology in crime cases the way some of the sleuthers here are.

ETA: After watching too much true-crime TV and observing dozens and dozens of cases and trials, I've learned that many homeless people have cell phones provided by the family.

bbm

reminds me of her statement that she wants to visit him to tell him why he hurt Bella (paraphrased)

she has a unique ''turn of the phrase'' which dazzles me and I believe she's truly enjoying the attention MOO

 

[bakerlady]

I saw the screen caps of the messages too and they appeared to be FB msgs. I wish I could find the link but I think the page has gone private.
JR had been sending them to a female friend after the crime had occurred so he either was at someone else's house using their tablet/laptop/phone or he had his own phone.

My daughter has my old iphone and she has no cell service but if she is in range of wifi (which is pretty much everywhere in my city) then she can send me a text message via imessage and download apps and such. I can also send text messages to people from my tablet via an app that gives me a 'phone number' even tho it is not a real cell service type of deal. So it is possible he did not have active cell service but he had some type of device that connected to free wifi.

I think the million dollar question is - Was JR staying at the home for several days as reported or not?

The answer will make a huge difference in how I view the circumstances of this case.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Are you kidding me right now??? The friend blames the police for not finding Bella sooner??? Wha????? Had the police been called sooner, like when Mom first heard Bella was missing, and had Mom told police that Rector had been there and was missing too, then maybe Bella would have still been alive. It's preposterous to blame the police for something the mother did. Sheesh.

Are you really surprised? I'm not. Our society has been running the 'blame game' for years now. So many don't want to actually place blame and accountability where it really lays. For so many today it is always someone else's fault. Heck even many parents are doing it too with the 'not my child' syndrome and always blaming the actions of their own child on someone else. So the friend saying this doesn't shock me at all.

Let me ask you this. Did LE immediately get the tracking dogs out when they started searching for Bella?

Was it ever found out if he left the house with Bella on foot or by car?

tia

IMO

 

[Camdenres]

No...I don't think the death of her child is enough punishment! That's like saying that someone who kills their parents should be treated mildly because he/she is now an orphan!! I feel this way about any woman or man who puts their needs and wants in front of their childs welfare! Case after case of mommys bf killing, raping, maiming a child! And, NOTHING is done to one who put that child in danger! This was not TG's first rodeo with the question of safety/welfare of her children. I don't give a flying flip how comfortable she was with all the criminals in her life! Keep them separate from the children! She had a choice. Her babies didn't. Her choices had fatal consequences for Bella....NOT HER...Bella. Maybe I just know too much about TG. Social media gives plenty of access to see what she's all about. What's disturbing to me is that these kids were ever returned to her care. Care is not what she provided. Nor safety. She provided an open door to a criminal element....one she KNEW was dangerous and depraved. No sympathy from me for the TG's of this world. My fervent hope is that she is judged harshly and pays a price with prison time. Maybe she will be the example to other parents who are providing a dangerous environment for these innocent ones....
Rant over...

^^^^^^**this^^^^^^^! I have not one ounce of sympathy for that woman.....she could have lived however the hell she wanted but should have done one selfless thing in her llife and send her children far far away to have a chance in life. I am so scared for her older sister. In my opinion, she needs to be sent very far away from that entire criminal zoo and have a chance to be a loved child with a chance to be whatever she chooses to be as an adult. Not one person in that family deserves/deserved the children. I am a grandaughter of a perfect beautiful 3 year old granddaughter...if that had been me I would have NEVER returned my granddaughter into that hell....would have gone underground before I would do that.......