Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[margarita25]

FTR, I think its entirely possible that TG thought JJR had left already, just as she stated re: the glass door, etc.
In all fairness, TG did leave the residence, but there was an another adult in the house.

However, even if she didn't know JJR was there that night, he had been staying over previously, right? Which means that Bella could have fallen victim to him at any previous time. So, my point is, even if TG thought JJR was not nearby that night, it doesn't make any difference because he had been over there before! jmo

eta: which really makes me wonder how much TG really knew about JJR's past (excluding drugs).

If TG was herself involved with drugs, then she would be so blinded and likely not consider having her kids around drugs to be negligent.

 

[MsMarple]

I am doubting when the group actually returned from Wal-Mart / where ever to the house to finally realize Isabella was truly *missing*. It almost seems they did not return immediately and that RF was not made fully aware of the situation when he made the 911 call .. that he was not aware that JJR had returned to the house after they left for Wal-Mart? I'm betting TG did not believe or at did not understand the older sibling that JJR had returned to house after they left (assuming JJR did in fact leave the house when the group left for Wal-Mart as has been claimed).

Again ... more unknowns.

That still doesn't explain why he failed to speak one simple sentence that could have been a game-changer in Bella's fate. Something along the lines of:

"Well, we do have a friend staying with us for a couple of days but he wasn't in the house when we left."

And don't forget that both mom and RF continued to withhold information when LE responded.

RF took the time to bring up parks, soccer fields and river access so clearly he was considering different possibilities. Except for the one that made the most sense.

Sorry - I'm not buying it. There is no innocent excuse here no matter how we try to spin it.

 

[margarita25]

I asked last night if we know for sure that TG knew JJR had previous assault charges against him / criminal issues re: his own children?

Also, do we know for sure that TG knew about the pet strangling before JJR was arrested? (I think I remember seeing something last night by Bessie re: this, need to go back).

Just thinking out loud, what if TG really did think that JJR had been long gone, she might not think to mention him in the initial stages?
eta: assuming the report of the textual interchange is bogus, which I think is likely, right, due to recent msm?

 

[redfish]

My Daddy used to say " It takes all kinds of people to make a world." Often this statement was accompanied by head shaking...like he was trying to understand them. I often wonder what he would say today as he would look around at the decay in our society. Many of us cry daily for these children while their own parents cry only for themselves. Talking about guilt.... how many of you read these horrors and feel a guilt for not personally doing something for these babies. I do. How can we change the tide that this rampant culture is bringing? My heart breaks with each and every case.

 

[Aeronomy]

I still contend that TG's "choices and actions" did NOT "lead to her child's murder.".

Okay, let me ask you this. Do also believe that TG's "choices and actions" were NOT a direct contributing factor as to the reason her daughter was left in such a situation that would allow JJR, someone she should have had no reason to trust around her young daughters, to do whatever he wanted with her...such as murder her? (Hopefully, I got the semantics right)

 

[scorekeeper]

As I have told my kids.........You are who you hang with....

TG is living with a felon........TG has known felon friends hanging at the house.......rumors abound about drug users at the house....

No matter how she tries to "paint herself as a Good mother".....her choices and associations put her children in a bad situation........

And little Bella is dead....

Yeah, she holds the Responsibility card

JMO

 

[lillybell]

I asked last night if we know for sure that TG knew JJR had previous assault charges against him / criminal issues re: his own children?

Also, do we know for sure that TG knew about the pet strangling before JJR was arrested? (I think I remember seeing something last night by Bessie re: this, need to go back).

Just thinking out loud, what if TG really did think that JJR had been long gone, she might not think to mention him in the initial stages?
eta: assuming the report of the textual interchange is bogus, which I think is likely, right, due to recent msm?

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

From the above link, it states that in police report Rector was in the home before the trip to walmart.

Police records indicate that Rector remained in the home with Grogan-Cannella and her 10-year sister while Grogan and her husband went to Walmart. When they returned, Rector and the 8-year-old were nowhere to be found.

 

[margarita25]

I wonder if Bella's other sibling will go live with a grandma from here on out?

eta: just saw the part about the custody, sorry

Interesting snip:

LA set up the account.
“I grew up with the dad, Roy (Bella's father), over in Laughlin,” said LA. “He went to high school in Laughlin. He doesn’t have access to the account; mom doesn’t have access to the account. Roy’s parents have full custody of the girls as of 3:30 yesterday. The girls will be moving right outside of Williams, Ariz., and they need clothes — it will be winter time soon.

“People have been hesitant to do this because they think mom’s going to get it. Mom’s not going to get any of this.”

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:tyou: Aeronomy for posting this article. Very informative.

raying: for Bella and her siblings :heartluv:


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[MsMarple]

I asked last night if we know for sure that TG knew JJR had previous assault charges against him / criminal issues re: his own children?

Also, do we know for sure that TG knew about the pet strangling before JJR was arrested? (I think I remember seeing something last night by Bessie re: this, need to go back).

Just thinking out loud, what if TG really did think that JJR had been long gone, she might not think to mention him in the initial stages?
eta: assuming the report of the textual interchange is bogus, which I think is likely, right, due to recent msm?

Grogan said Rector never showed signs of aggression until recently. She said his ex-girlfriend recently filed police reports accusing him of strangling her pets.

"Something triggered in his head, and he just got off on strangling, I guess. He strangled my daughter to death. That's how she died," Grogan said.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26463107/mother-on-childs-accused-killer-i-trusted-him


"We never saw Justin here. We thought he had already left. He had to have been outside the sliding glass door when we left," Grogan said.

Which is contrary to:

“I got a call from my older daughter saying she couldn’t find Bella. She couldn’t find Justin. We looked around outside, then we called police,” Bella's mother told the Nancy Grace team.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/09/05/911-call-missing-isabella-grogan-cannella

"We came back because (my older daughter) called and said she couldn't find (Isabella). (She said) that Justin and (Isabella) were gone," said Grogan.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world

 

[margarita25]

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

From the above link, it states that in police report Rector was in the home before the trip to walmart.

Police records indicate that Rector remained in the home with Grogan-Cannella and her 10-year sister while Grogan and her husband went to Walmart. When they returned, Rector and the 8-year-old were nowhere to be found.

Thank you!!

 

[margarita25]

Grogan said Rector never showed signs of aggression until recently. She said his ex-girlfriend recently filed police reports accusing him of strangling her pets.

"Something triggered in his head, and he just got off on strangling, I guess. He strangled my daughter to death. That's how she died," Grogan said.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26463107/mother-on-childs-accused-killer-i-trusted-him


"We never saw Justin here. We thought he had already left. He had to have been outside the sliding glass door when we left," Grogan said.

Which is contrary to:

“I got a call from my older daughter saying she couldn’t find Bella. She couldn’t find Justin. We looked around outside, then we called police,” Bella's mother told the Nancy Grace team.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/09/05/911-call-missing-isabella-grogan-cannella

"We came back because (my older daughter) called and said she couldn't find (Isabella). (She said) that Justin and (Isabella) were gone," said Grogan.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world

Thank you!!

 

[margarita25]

(*Sigh)

 

[bessie]

Interesting! That's from 2011, wonder if anything has changed since then? FBI or CIA or whoever seems to be able to access what they want. In the arias case, there were pages of texts and they got them.
I don't know.

Anyway, this Ralphy reminds me of Randy Taylor aka RAT. I do not know why, but when I see him or hear him speak, I get chills, and RAT comes to mind. There, finally said it. :blushing:

Tania reminds me of the Mom in the Erica Parson's case. :truce:

For gosh sakes, QUIT ASKING FOR MONEY!! I'm broke, I don't have any. Leave me alone, but send me money. :gaah: Maybe you can sell that trampoline and slide. Don't think you'll need them again. :shame:

And please make sure the doggy has a good home before it's homeless. Because I've taken in enough of society's throw away pets and my inn is full. :moo:

This is a little more current. Read the pdfs for detailed explanations. I'm including the links for AT&T, Verizon and Sprint. Links to responses from other carriers can be found in the article.

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Cops asked wireless carriers for over 1.1 million customer cellphone records in 2012
NetworkWorld - Dec 9, 2013 2:35 PM PT

Because each mobile carrier answered in a different way, it's challenging to make a comparable chart of numbers. Yet since customers paying a wireless bill might like to know the number to see how they stack up in regards to privacy and carriers handing over data to LEA, I've tried to compare and list them.

---

AT&T

Verizon

Sprint Nextel

 

[cluciano63]

My Daddy used to say " It takes all kinds of people to make a world." Often this statement was accompanied by head shaking...like he was trying to understand them. I often wonder what he would say today as he would look around at the decay in our society. Many of us cry daily for these children while their own parents cry only for themselves. Talking about guilt.... how many of you read these horrors and feel a guilt for not personally doing something for these babies. I do. How can we change the tide that this rampant culture is bringing? My heart breaks with each and every case.

Jmo it is in large part due to newer and always more addictive and available drugs...primarily meth, Imo...

 

[cluciano63]

Please reference the post(s) or article(s) that includes the claim, "it wasn't him, it was the drugs" .. I missed that.

I still contend that TG's "choices and actions" did NOT "lead to her child's murder." TG's inviting JJR to staying with the family until he got on his feet was not so different than the Wrights inviting GG to dinner. Yes, GG has no record of pedophilia but neither does JJR (as far as we know).

Clearly, JJR had it in him to abduct, molest (assumed) and murder a child. That makes him a pedophile, which is an entirely different diagnosis than "he is addicted to drugs" (which we may confidently assume he is, as revealed by his stint in rehab <assumed drug rehab>).

If the murdering of this child was a method for him to ultimately obtaining a drug fix then I might agree with that assessment. As it stands, it appears he may have molested the child (body found with no underwear / shorts) and murdered the child.

And JJR's other issues are not directly indicative of him being a pedophile although they should have given TG pause to allowing him near her children. TG's "choice" of allowing JJR near her children no more caused JJR to murder her child than the word "day" did because it includes the letter "y".

If TG somehow knew JJR to be a pedophile, then I would totally and completely agree with the assessment.

This woman put her children in danger, Imo, by having a known criminal staying in their house. Not just the alleged killer but her fiance/BF/husband as well. Neither man was related to the children. Her priorities are clear, at least to me.

 

[southsleuth]

I have a lot more pages to catch up but I have an odd wild theory on the "snacks for the kids" WM trip. I understand that several of the family and their guests went. Does the WM she went to have an all-night pharmacy or tech on duty? Most states have laws that require sudafed (sp) and the like be signed for. You are only allowed x amount at a time in a certain time period. My DH's doctor advised he get the real thing for a sinus infection so we went to WM to get it. The tech who waited on us did her obligatory check of his DL, entered it into the computer to see if he was a "regular" to check time limits. We chatted while she did her thing and she quite loudly proclaimed that she could tell we were on the up and up but the 4-5 standing in line behind us were not and were going to buy it too and make meth. I don't know what AZ'z laws are on this, just speculating. BTW-our regular Mom and Pop pharmacy doesn't even carry it at all! He says it's a lot of trouble and doesn't need the riff-raff.

 

[news.talk]

I am doubting when the group actually returned from Wal-Mart / where ever to the house to finally realize Isabella was truly *missing*. It almost seems they did not return immediately and that RF was not made fully aware of the situation when he made the 911 call .. that he was not aware that JJR had returned to the house after they left for Wal-Mart? I'm betting TG did not believe or at did not understand the older sibling that JJR had returned to house after they left (assuming JJR did in fact leave the house when the group left for Wal-Mart as has been claimed).

Again ... more unknowns.

As indicated by police records, TG and RF knew full well that JJR was in the home when they left their residence, that he was missing at the SAME time Bella went missing, and did not report that VERY crucial information to police. Had they done so, it is very likely we would looking at a different outcome.

To make matters worse, TG is blaming the police for not finding her daughter in time. She failed provide the information that could have helped them.

Grogan said Rector never showed signs of aggression until recently. She said his ex-girlfriend recently filed police reports accusing him of strangling her pets.

"Something triggered in his head, and he just got off on strangling, I guess. He strangled my daughter to death. That's how she died," Grogan said.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26463107/mother-on-childs-accused-killer-i-trusted-him


"We never saw Justin here. We thought he had already left. He had to have been outside the sliding glass door when we left," Grogan said.

Which is contrary to:

“I got a call from my older daughter saying she couldn’t find Bella. She couldn’t find Justin. We looked around outside, then we called police,” Bella's mother told the Nancy Grace team.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/09/05/911-call-missing-isabella-grogan-cannella

"We came back because (my older daughter) called and said she couldn't find (Isabella). (She said) that Justin and (Isabella) were gone," said Grogan.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world

 

[MsMarple]

This woman put her children in danger, Imo, by having a known criminal staying in their house. Not just the alleged killer but her fiance/BF/husband as well. Neither man was related to the children. Her priorities are clear, at least to me.

Yes. Drugs, theft and now guns. How exactly does that fit with TG "providing" for her kids?

The grand jury also indicted Ralph Pat Leroy Folster III, 28, for theft, theft of a firearm and misconduct with a weapon.

Two occupants of the car, [redacted] and Folster, fled from the car and ran into[redacted] home. [redacted] was found in the back seat of the car. Stolen guns and other items were allegedly found in the car. Police surrounded the Tanglewood Lane home. [redacted] ran out the back door and tried to swim across the Colorado River but was captured by boating officers.

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_6e9d7628-3404-11e4-a9ac-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[news.talk]

This is a little more current. Read the pdfs for detailed explanations. I'm including the links for AT&T, Verizon and Sprint. Links to responses from other carriers can be found in the article.

---

Cops asked wireless carriers for over 1.1 million customer cellphone records in 2012
NetworkWorld - Dec 9, 2013 2:35 PM PT

Because each mobile carrier answered in a different way, it's challenging to make a comparable chart of numbers. Yet since customers paying a wireless bill might like to know the number to see how they stack up in regards to privacy and carriers handing over data to LEA, I've tried to compare and list them.

---

AT&T

Verizon

Sprint Nextel

Thanks for the info!

Do you know if FB messages are able to be retrieved once deleted?

The messages I saw were FB messages. Still likely to be sent via text (as mine are) and likely accessed by mobile device since all parties were on the move that night.

 

[news.talk]

Okay, let me ask you this. Do also believe that TG's "choices and actions" were NOT a direct contributing factor as to the reason her daughter was left in such a situation that would allow JJR, someone she should have had no reason to trust around her young daughters, to do whatever he wanted with her...such as murder her? (Hopefully, I got the semantics right)

Or in kindergarten level terms -

You leave a loaded gun in your child's toy box. The gun has never gone off before because the safety is always on. You know the gun well - had it for years with no problem. Sure, you're told it miss-fires but not your gun. Child picks up gun and somehow it goes off killing the child. Do you blame the gun for being defective or do you take responsibility for leaving it around your child?