Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #3

[lillybell]

I'm being serious, in the drug world, when the saying 'snitches get stitches' is used, is that literal? See in my world, I think it is. So there could potentially lots of witnesses that are afraid for their life to say anything. Because if a search warrant or police report is leaked, or released to media, and YOUR name is on that report, well, maybe YOU or YOUR FAMILY could be in danger!!! I've also heard that it is very difficult to completely leave the drug world, because is know too much, as in who the higher dealers are, your life could be in danger. Is that true?? :hills:

See, I'm a nervous Nelly, no way, no how could I live with that constant stress!! I prefer the stress of wondering how many eggs I'm getting today, and whether my blue egg laying hens will lay or not. :loveyou: :chicken: :great:

I would imagine, in this type of lifestyle, with drugs and crime etc, getting reliable witnesses could be difficult. People close to the family and Rector could be running in the same circles. To admit you were aware of any crime committed, you could implicate yourself.

I'm wondering if LE are keeping a close eye on Tania and co, I'm sure they are. If they were drug using before Bella's disaparence, they'll be finding it hard to get hold of any now,with all eyes on them!

 

[2Hope4]

Well, I don't know about the door issue. I mean, they have a dog inside. But, if the dog knows the person, they seldom react. Soooo....moot point I guess. I don't know if the dog has access to the whole house either. Some people put them in a room at night, or a crate, etc. Some dogs are super duper friendly to everyone, others aren't. So I guess having a dog just wouldn't be enough. I'd be more concerned about guns around kids with no adult supervision. But then, if the kids were raised with guns, possible they wouldn't bother with them.

This whole thing just sucks.

 

[newone]

This may seem silly but does anyone else remember that there was a ''stench'' that confronted LE when they conducted the search warrant at the residence?

It would seem to me that LE would be quite acquainted with various types of stench (sad to say it would be a typical hazard they face).

Do you think they LE would be able to tell if the stench was drug related?

 

[newone]

Well, I don't know about the door issue. I mean, they have a dog inside. But, if the dog knows the person, they seldom react. Soooo....moot point I guess. I don't know if the dog has access to the whole house either. Some people put them in a room at night, or a crate, etc. Some dogs are super duper friendly to everyone, others aren't. So I guess having a dog just wouldn't be enough. I'd be more concerned about guns around kids with no adult supervision. But then, if the kids were raised with guns, possible they wouldn't bother with them.

This whole thing just sucks.

one of the TG versions of what happened that night was that JR was outside the house and let himself back in through the unlocked sliding door that's why I raised that point

 

[Seajay]

There is no proof the TG did not know JJR was a pedophile. After all, wasn't he a member of the family and hadn't she known him for years.

She knew he wasn't an alter boy. And if she didn't, it was her business to know, she had two young daughters. Where were her maternal instincts. Where was her Hinky Meter when it came to her children. Any "good mother" has one and it works overtime. Unless she was so senselessly stung out on drugs, it doesn't work. And no, she doesn't get a pass from me cuz she was so drug addled, she didn't have the presence of mind to protect her kids. Bella is dead!! We know who killed her, we also know who was suppose to protect her and obviously did not.

 

[lillybell]

Well, I don't know about the door issue. I mean, they have a dog inside. But, if the dog knows the person, they seldom react. Soooo....moot point I guess. I don't know if the dog has access to the whole house either. Some people put them in a room at night, or a crate, etc. Some dogs are super duper friendly to everyone, others aren't. So I guess having a dog just wouldn't be enough. I'd be more concerned about guns around kids with no adult supervision. But then, if the kids were raised with guns, possible they wouldn't bother with them.

This whole thing just sucks.

Yep, i guess the dog was used to lots of people comming and going, sounds to me like a busy household.
If Rector was staying there the dog would probably be used to him.
We have a little terrier, she barks like crazy if someone's in our garden or approaching the front door. She is also protective of the children, when they play fight or squeal loud at each other, she's always up going to see what's going on.

 

[2Hope4]

Yup, they did say a stench like a hoarding situation. So whether that meant like cat hoarding, or the house was a wreck, we don't know!

 

[SilkySifaka]

I want a link to him being a pedophile or known as one before the death of Bella.

 

[2Hope4]

In one of the interviews by a news station, the reporter stated the mom knew JR since 1st grade!!

 

[2Hope4]

I want a link to him being a pedophile or known as one before the death of Bella.

We don't have one. And we don't know that he is, because so far he hasn't been charged with raping little Bella. We only have mom saying he must have gotten off on strangling, because that's how Bella died.

 

[2Hope4]

Speaking of all the other thieves being in jail but RF... I'm wondering about something else as well. FB pages were public, wide open. If police are really trying to stop drug use, why don't they utilize FB and whatever other SM platforms to arrest?? They could have filled up the jail!!! I'm not kidding. It was openly talked about. I'm not a rocket scientist, and I could see it. JMO!

 

[ChuckMaureen]

I still have a question..well lots of of questions...but the report said 3 other people were There with JR...are they shape formers/changers?? Where did they go, and who are they?? Did they turn into a speck of dirt? Inquiring minds wanna know!!!
:aliens:

I recall reading two friends accompanied TG and RF on the Wal-Mart trip.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

There is no proof the TG did not know JJR was a pedophile. After all, wasn't he a member of the family and hadn't she known him for years.

She knew he wasn't an alter boy. And if she didn't, it was her business to know, she had two young daughters. Where were her maternal instincts. Where was her Hinky Meter when it came to her children. Any "good mother" has one and it works overtime. Unless she was so senselessly stung out on drugs, it doesn't work. And no, she doesn't get a pass from me cuz she was so drug addled, she didn't have the presence of mind to protect her kids. Bella is dead!! We know who killed her, we also know who was suppose to protect her and obviously did not.

Prove a negative? Guilty until proven innocent? ;-)

 

[newone]

I recall reading two friends accompanied TG and RF on the Wal-Mart trip.

yep that too -- wasn't clear on the actual number but I understood they (TG and her ''husband") left with others

 

[newone]

Speaking of all the other thieves being in jail but RF... I'm wondering about something else as well. FB pages were public, wide open. If police are really trying to stop drug use, why don't they utilize FB and whatever other SM platforms to arrest?? They could have filled up the jail!!! I'm not kidding. It was openly talked about. I'm not a rocket scientist, and I could see it. JMO!

I bet there is some LEO taking notes MOO

 

[Ontario Mom]

known drug use? .... and possible association with same people perps knew I believe is the similarity MOO
and hardly bad reputation?

Well in that sense yes, partly (but she didn't really know Terri McClintic the way TG is said to know JR or have her living in her home), but I see TG as 10 times worse. Especially the way she's showing who/what she really is, in the public eye. I don't know what the drug culture is like in BHC but I assume it probably plays out the same way everywhere in that there are various levels of involvement from casual user, all the way to addicts, dealers, etc. From what I know of TM's (Tara, not Terri) life here in Woodstock, and from all I've read about TG's lifestyle, I wouldn't put her on the same level as TG at all.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Yup, they did say a stench like a hoarding situation. So whether that meant like cat hoarding, or the house was a wreck, we don't know!

In a "hoarding" situation the stench is from rotting, dirty things that instead of being cleaned up or thrown out, other things just get piled on top of them. Whether it's food gone bad, tons of dirty laundry piled up, stacks of newspapers that have begun to mold, household garbage not being taken out but just piled up, etc. I've been in 3 homes in my lifetime where it was like this (only one of them was occupied by drug users) and it's a smell you never forget.

 

[2Hope4]

See that's just it though, I've cleaned two homes from hoarding situations of the trash type. I've also been into several homes that hoarded animals. The stench between the two is noticeable, and not forgotten!! Animal urine and feces is a very overpowering stench that literally takes your breath due to the ammonia levels. I've had to walk out numerous times, even with a face mask on.

So, I'm not sure which type hoarding the report was speaking of.

None of the cases I was involved in were drug issues, they were mental health issues. Working with animal rescue, you see and smell many things you never thought were possible. And the people were still living in those conditions. Sad. :tantrum:

 

[lillybell]

O/t kind of.
My daughters friends mums a hoarder, the place stinks! Rubbish piled up inside and out. She can hardly open the door. I didn't allow my daughter round there, her children now live with their grandparents.
You see the mum walking round with new clothes, latest phone, and hair and nails done! Shocking.

She has had loads of help to clean it up from her housing association, she just never keeps it up.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

yep that too -- wasn't clear on the actual number but I understood they (TG and her ''husband") left with others

Quite likely when TG and RF left the house to go to Wal-Mart that the "friends" left the house with them but did not go to Wal-Mart with them. That's how I'm interpreting that aspect (unless LE confirms otherwise).