Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #3

[3blue1pink]

Thank you.

This comment was posted to FB on 9/8/2014, by D.G.C.: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154560531940103&set=gm.735006069894543&type=1&theater

It makes perfect sense to me.

The comments make even more .... Sense that it.

 

[Seajay]

Ok, I'm confused. Who said TG or R were involved in the murder of Bella? No one I've seen. No one has said either of them murdered that child.

What people are saying is that their irresponsible lifestyle put that child at risk and their lifestyle left that child open and vulnerable to what ended up happening to her. Their lifestyle endangered that child's life. IMO. In MY Opinion. MY Opinion ONLY. That's MY OPINION.

 

[skibaboo]

Thank you.

This comment was posted to FB on 9/8/2014, by D.G.C.: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154560531940103&set=gm.735006069894543&type=1&theater

It makes perfect sense to me.

I remember reading that. IDK if I am allowed to elaborate but if you look through the other postings in that group you will see there was controversy surrounding that poster.

 

[tier]

Thank you for your comments! The only item with which I would disagree is the contention that TG is somehow responsible for what happened to Isabella. I would agree she should not have introduced a criminal element in to her home and she is responsible for that and it clearly and emphatically is *wrong*.

But it seems some people find it too difficult to understand that someone being a druggie and / or having been charged with assault or even having a criminal record that does not include pedophilic or molestation charges is no reason to believe the person would molester and / or murder a child. That is just not the case.

Someone who might be labeled as a "DRUG ADDICT" or a "DRUG DEALER" leads people to believe the absolute worse of that person. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, it is a terrible and dangerous life choice in many cases but it is NOT a direct causal reason to expect the person to be a CHILD MOLESTER and / or MURDERER.

I've been attempting to clarify: the possible notion that JJR might be or might have been harboring thoughts of pedophilia or is a child molester apparently was not obvious to TG. I in no way believe TG would knowingly allow harm to come to her children. I also believe that TG did not suspect JJR of being capable of such a crime and in fact, JJR's best friend has made the same claim, i.e.: "I don't believe he would harm a child".

IMO, this is an assumed-pedophile or child molester and murder case. LE, including the FBI believe JJR is the perp. LE and the FBI have by now extensively interviewed both TG and RF, and if they are suspected of having a hand in Isabella's murder you can bet the FBI is thorough enough to extract evidence if it exists.

But as it stands now, as far as we know TG and RF are not charged in this crime. They might be eventually, but with each passing day that we do not hear of such charges being filed, they likely will not be charged.

Any one of us in this forum could be friends with someone who is a pedophile or molester or someone who harbors such thoughts .. *and not know it*.

This is helpful info: "How To Identify a Pedophile" ... but works only if the person presents with certain actions described within: http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Pedophile

You keep saying unless they knew he was a pedophile they shouldn't have known he might rape and murder Bella. While I disagree with that anyway I'm not interested in us rehashing it over and over since it has been done several times already. But shouldn't they at least realize it was a possibility that he might strangle Bella as he was already known to have strangled pets that someone else loved recently?

 

[skibaboo]

Ok, I'm confused. Who said TG or R were involved in the murder of Bella? No one I've seen. No one has said either of them murdered that child.

What people are saying is that their irresponsible lifestyle put that child at risk and their lifestyle left that child open and vulnerable to what ended up happening to her. Their lifestyle endangered that child's life. IMO. In MY Opinion. MY Opinion ONLY. That's MY OPINION.

SM 'rumours'.. the only place I have seen anyone accuse them

 

[Krystine]

Thank you for your comments! The only item with which I would disagree is the contention that TG is somehow responsible for what happened to Isabella. I would agree she should not have introduced a criminal element in to her home and she is responsible for that and it clearly and emphatically is *wrong*.

But it seems some people find it too difficult to understand that someone being a druggie and / or having been charged with assault or even having a criminal record that does not include pedophilic or molestation charges is no reason to believe the person would molester and / or murder a child. That is just not the case.

Someone who might be labeled as a "DRUG ADDICT" or a "DRUG DEALER" leads people to believe the absolute worse of that person. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, it is a terrible and dangerous life choice in many cases but it is NOT a direct causal reason to expect the person to be a CHILD MOLESTER and / or MURDERER.

I've been attempting to clarify: the possible notion that JJR might be or might have been harboring thoughts of pedophilia or is a child molester apparently was not obvious to TG. I in no way believe TG would knowingly allow harm to come to her children. I also believe that TG did not suspect JJR of being capable of such a crime and in fact, JJR's best friend has made the same claim, i.e.: "I don't believe he would harm a child".

IMO, this is an assumed-pedophile or child molester and murder case. LE, including the FBI believe JJR is the perp. LE and the FBI have by now extensively interviewed both TG and RF, and if they are suspected of having a hand in Isabella's murder you can bet the FBI is thorough enough to extract evidence if it exists.

But as it stands now, as far as we know TG and RF are not charged in this crime. They might be eventually, but with each passing day that we do not hear of such charges being filed, they likely will not be charged.

Any one of us in this forum could be friends with someone who is a pedophile or molester or someone who harbors such thoughts .. *and not know it*.

This is helpful info: "How To Identify a Pedophile" ... but works only if the person presents with certain actions described within: http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Pedophile

I don't think anyone is saying TG and RF should be charged with murder. I for one am not saying that.
I'm saying life is full of choices, and there is help for people who are struggling with addictions, everywhere. There are countless programs for people who abuse substances.
Ask a disabled person, or a person with depression that needs financial aid or psychological help,... they will tell you that counsellors are virtually tripping over one another to help an addict and anyone else can pound sand.
Parents who live a life of substance abuse and crime, who confuse children with short lived relationships with both men and women and can switch their preference on a dime,... don't have my support any more.
I'm beyond disgusted with drugs and crime and poor parenting.

 

[skibaboo]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...11-call-no-mention-of-justin-rector/15343037/

<snipped from story> "A witness also told detectives that someone matching Rector's description was seen leaving the crime scene before he arrived at the Walmart, according to police reports"

This is the first Ive heard of a witness! Anyone else???? Is the crime scene they refer to in this story the spot where Bella was found? If so, does that mean she was killed and buried right there as opposed to being murdered elsewhere then transported and left in the wash?

I did read about a witness early on and yes the crime scene mentioned I believe is the wash where the body was found. MOO

 

[winterrose]

This investigation is far from over. If LE tells you to be quiet, it's for a reason, it's still under investigation, and there will be a trial and why would you keep talking? I'm sure it's all been explained to her. At some point, your children have to come first, there's no need to worry about reputation, donations, and what facebook is saying.

 

[Honey_West]

And the statement that shocks me the most, "I want him to tell me, what did Bella do"?

THIS!

"What did Bella do?" What did Bella DO? Bella didn't DO anything! She is an innocent child. What a disgusting thing for a mother to say. I am completely shocked at this statement.

 

[3blue1pink]

Well she obviously doesn't have any qualms about being out in public . OMG! https://m.facebook.com/groups/732271013501382?refsrc=https://m.facebook.com/photo.php

 

[news.talk]

Thank you for your comments! The only item with which I would disagree is the contention that TG is somehow responsible for what happened to Isabella. I would agree she should not have introduced a criminal element in to her home and she is responsible for that and it clearly and emphatically is *wrong*.

But it seems some people find it too difficult to understand that someone being a druggie and / or having been charged with assault or even having a criminal record that does not include pedophilic or molestation charges is no reason to believe the person would molester and / or murder a child. That is just not the case.

Someone who might be labeled as a "DRUG ADDICT" or a "DRUG DEALER" leads people to believe the absolute worse of that person. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, it is a terrible and dangerous life choice in many cases but it is NOT a direct causal reason to expect the person to be a CHILD MOLESTER and / or MURDERER.

I've been attempting to clarify: the possible notion that JJR might be or might have been harboring thoughts of pedophilia or is a child molester apparently was not obvious to TG. I in no way believe TG would knowingly allow harm to come to her children. I also believe that TG did not suspect JJR of being capable of such a crime and in fact, JJR's best friend has made the same claim, i.e.: "I don't believe he would harm a child".

IMO, this is an assumed-pedophile or child molester and murder case. LE, including the FBI believe JJR is the perp. LE and the FBI have by now extensively interviewed both TG and RF, and if they are suspected of having a hand in Isabella's murder you can bet the FBI is thorough enough to extract evidence if it exists.

But as it stands now, as far as we know TG and RF are not charged in this crime. They might be eventually, but with each passing day that we do not hear of such charges being filed, they likely will not be charged.

Any one of us in this forum could be friends with someone who is a pedophile or molester or someone who harbors such thoughts .. *and not know it*.

This is helpful info: "How To Identify a Pedophile" ... but works only if the person presents with certain actions described within: http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Pedophile

Parenting is about minimizing risk to our children by any means possible. While TG may not have known that JJR may murder her child, she had substantial reasons to believe that he was not a good role-model or stable adult to leave in charge of her children. As she stated in MSM, he had babysat for her regularly and despite her back-peddling after the fact, chose to leave him as the only conscious adult in care of them the night of the murder. In choosing a babysitter, she selected someone that was just released from rehab, likely under the influence of drugs, alcohol or both, known to strangle animals, is prohibited from seeing his own children stemming from an assault and probably MUCH more debauchery.

I don't think there are many parents that would allow such a person to look after their goldfish, never mind live with and supervise their children.

Why's it so unreasonable for society to want to hold a mother responsible for KNOWINGLY putting her children at risk? She may not suspect he will murder her children but based on his *known* history, he could have assaulted them, left heroin needles or drugs for them to harm themselves with, strangled her dog in their presence.... The list of dangerous possibilities are ENDLESS based on what she knew.

She failed to protect her children. Period.

 

[cluciano63]

Criminals often escalate onto other crimes...not to mention those they have gotten away with thus far. Having a known criminal around your children and staying under the same roof, who is not related by blood, should be some type of crime, Imo.

 

[Irisha]

Thank you.

This comment was posted to FB on 9/8/2014, by D.G.C.: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154560531940103&set=gm.735006069894543&type=1&theater

It makes perfect sense to me.

Why doesn't D.G.C. address the fact they never told 911 about JJR, that they in fact knew about, because the 10 yr.old told them? I really have no use for family/friends rants defending someone when they can't address the basic question.

 

[Magdalyn]

Thank you for your comments! The only item with which I would disagree is the contention that TG is somehow responsible for what happened to Isabella. I would agree she should not have introduced a criminal element in to her home and she is responsible for that and it clearly and emphatically is *wrong*.

But it seems some people find it too difficult to understand that someone being a druggie and / or having been charged with assault or even having a criminal record that does not include pedophilic or molestation charges is no reason to believe the person would molester and / or murder a child. That is just not the case.

Someone who might be labeled as a "DRUG ADDICT" or a "DRUG DEALER" leads people to believe the absolute worse of that person. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, it is a terrible and dangerous life choice in many cases but it is NOT a direct causal reason to expect the person to be a CHILD MOLESTER and / or MURDERER.

I've been attempting to clarify: the possible notion that JJR might be or might have been harboring thoughts of pedophilia or is a child molester apparently was not obvious to TG. I in no way believe TG would knowingly allow harm to come to her children. I also believe that TG did not suspect JJR of being capable of such a crime and in fact, JJR's best friend has made the same claim, i.e.: "I don't believe he would harm a child".

IMO, this is an assumed-pedophile or child molester and murder case. LE, including the FBI believe JJR is the perp. LE and the FBI have by now extensively interviewed both TG and RF, and if they are suspected of having a hand in Isabella's murder you can bet the FBI is thorough enough to extract evidence if it exists.

But as it stands now, as far as we know TG and RF are not charged in this crime. They might be eventually, but with each passing day that we do not hear of such charges being filed, they likely will not be charged.

Any one of us in this forum could be friends with someone who is a pedophile or molester or someone who harbors such thoughts .. *and not know it*.

This is helpful info: "How To Identify a Pedophile" ... but works only if the person presents with certain actions described within: http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Pedophile

I don't believe people find it 'too difficult to understand'. Differing viewpoints from ones own should not be presumed to be ignorance.

I don't believe all druggies are pedophiles or murderers. I believe parents who are druggies and/or hang with felons are putting their children at the highest risk of abuse, neglect, and injury.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/neglect/chapterfour.cfm

They, IMO, do not deserve custody of their kids while engaging with felons and /or drugs, and, IMO, if something bad happens to their child because of the violent and felonious company they keep, the parents do bear some responsibility. Not all violent felons and druggies will kidnap, rape and murder a child. However, ALL CHILDREN are entitled to live in a home free of violent felons, drugs, and druggies. If the violent felon, drug, or druggie you knowingly allowed around your kid happens to kill your child, you bear some responsibility. You knowingly endangered your child.

If TG let her children play with a gun, knowing they are dangerous and not a toy, and the gun goes off and kills her child, does TG not bear some responsibility in what lead to the child's death? Only the gun is to blame?

If TG left her children alone playing with a dog that she knew used to participate in dog fights, and knew he recently mauled the neighbors toddler....and the dog mauls and killed Bella, was it only the dog's responsibility?

TG knew JJR was a felon and recently violent. She still allowed him alone with her children. He did what people who strangle pets do.

I also believe TG and RF bear full responsibility for misleading 911 and LE regarding "do you have any idea where she could be" and "what does her sister say".

 

[news.talk]

Well she obviously doesn't have any qualms about being out in public . OMG! https://m.facebook.com/groups/732271013501382?refsrc=https://m.facebook.com/photo.php

I do believe the house is still under LE control and she is likely still at a hotel, therefore has to eat out.

What is disturbing to me is she is SMILING... again. I don't know if I would ever smile again, especially so soon after her child was murdered. She seems to be missing a sensitivity chip.

 

[news.talk]

Criminals often escalate onto other crimes...not to mention those they have gotten away with thus far. Having a known criminal around your children and staying under the same roof, who is not related by blood, should be some type of crime, Imo.

It is illegal... It's called Child Neglect.

 

[3blue1pink]

I do believe the house is still under LE control and she is likely still at a hotel, therefore has to eat out.

What is disturbing to me is she is SMILING... again. I don't know if I would ever smile again, especially so soon after her child was murdered. She seems to be missing a sensitivity chip.

While I agree She has to eat . Out , is not a requirement . She could order in or have someone bring her take out . If she wants the public/media to "leave her alone " then she needs to stay our of their view. Not hard even in motel . Sickening sitting their smiling with friends . Gaaaaaa

 

[news.talk]

Hopefully a local can help me with this:

How difficult would it be to dig a 'shallow grave' without a shovel in that area? The ground where the victim was found seems very dry and packed.

Where would he have gone to get a shovel? Back to the home?

 

[3blue1pink]

Hopefully a local can help me with this:

How difficult would it be to dig a 'shallow grave' without a shovel in that area? The ground where the victim was found seems very dry and packed.

Where would he have gone to get a shovel? Back to the home?

They had had some serious monsoons just prior to her death . So the ground was prob very muddy .

 

[cluciano63]

It is illegal... It's called Child Neglect.

Jmo I live in NM and can't count how many babies and toddlers and injured or killed by Mom's felonious boyfriends...who have access to child, or are babysitting or living with them. And the mom is not always charged. I just don't get it.