Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #3

[ChuckMaureen]

No. Not pre-dug. I can't figure out where JJR would have got a shovel and IMO, he would have needed one. I agree that the ground would have been pretty hard, not something easily dug with hands or even a rock.

Did he go back to the house? Steal it from WM? A neighbours yard? Where is it now?

I am also still curious where the actual murder took place. Did he drag or carry the victim to her grave or was it done there? I wonder if her shorts came off when she was being transported.

I recall that Isabella's body was found located near or within a construction area so it is possible much of the ground was excavated / smoothed, which would leave for a very dig-able base. If you view the shallow grave area you will find multiple, huge piles of dirt which indicate either trucked-in fill or on-site excavation.

 

[Seajay]

I believe at that time RF did not have reason nor cause to outright suspect JJR of having taken Isabella. IMO, RF seems befuddled during the 911 call, to the point he doesn't seem to understand why Isabella was missing. RF's mentioning of the "park across the street" and "river accesses" seemed quite genuine and full of concern for Isabella's safety.

Yes, even a criminal can have a heart! Get over it. hwow:hwow:hwow:hwow: ;-)

That must be it, he was befuddled during the 911 call because he also couldn't remember Bella's name either. (I'll let the mod handle the rest of that post.)

 

[ChuckMaureen]

FBI, LE and bloodhound back at the memorial/crime scene. Posted 5 mins ago by 'A.N' https://www.facebook.com/groups/bhcbellastrong/?fref=nf

...wondering if they are searching for blood evidence or ... possibly other bodies?

 

[2Hope4]

There's gotta more going on. FBI is spending an awful lot of time and resources at that house. I don't know if I've seen that in other cases before. I know in Alexis Murphy's case the FBI did searching, and had special dogs to find cell phones. Then Randy Taylor aka RAT was arrested, and a few searches for evidence, but nothing like this. He was charged, and convicted of murder, though Alexis was never found.
I just wonder what they are looking for, or what the search warrants say. Yes I'm nosey, that's why I'm here! There I said it. Another confession, I trust no one but myself!! Only I know that I'm not molesting a child, thinking of such, or murdering folks, or harming animals. Each time I try to give others the benefit of the doubt, they disappoint me. I sold a piglet, it bit the lady so she didn't want it anymore, guess what? He had lost half his weight in two weeks. He is now back with me after a vet visit. Folks I hate to tell ya, but people will lie to you about anything, for any reason!! Add in money, greed, and drugs and I don't know who you would believe!

 

[ChuckMaureen]

. . .or she's high.

Not everyone grieves as many people might think. Some people laugh while under extreme stress, as a defense mechanism because the pain of the event is just too strong to continually deal with it every minute of every day. And, I suspect TG is experiencing a drawn-out shock, the effects of which might appear at times when she is at her weakest.

It is a good thing TG seems to be strong in some ways, for the amount of mom-bashing she is being subjected to, either directly or indirectly is intense enough to fuel a fire to burn for two years straight. Unbelievable. ;-)

 

[Makaroni]

Thanks for settling that for me! Duh - I now see they got the license in Nevada, not AZ. No wonder it wasn't making sense to me. I'll go delete my post if I can.

Lol no worries ... I'm still confused myself but I'm just guessing it's all legal and stuff based on that .. But with those two, who knows ...

 

[3blue1pink]

What's unbelievable is people actually feel need to defend a sad excuse for a mother like her. JMO

 

[taysmommy]

The Thanks button isn't enough, that has been bothering me since I read it.

 

[MRDW]

I live in Bullhead City and just came from the memorial site about an hour ago. They had 4 police SUVs at the site where the body was found. There was a cop in a red T-shirt running around with a police dog looking for something, I'm not sure what.

I was at the DR.s office today and heard stuff from a older women that knew Toni and the girls personally. She said Toni thought that Bella was in a much better place now and that she was treated like dog shxit by the mother, etc. She wanted to try to get the mother off drugs.

I can't say much more because I'm new to the site and don't want to break any rules, sorry

MRDW

 

[skibaboo]

:welcome: to WS MRDW, good to have you here! Sorry it's because of something so tragic close to home.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

That must be it, he was befuddled during the 911 call because he also couldn't remember Bella's name either. (I'll let the mod handle the rest of that post.)

How often would you think RF and everyone around him would have called Isabella, "Isabella"? I suspect not very often. *Everyone* knew Isabella as "Bella" and it is expected virtually everyone almost exclusively called Isabella, "Bella". And at 1:30 AM after maybe a long day, including partying and traveling and then coming home to a missing child, I suspect we could cut some slack on RF juggling the names a bit.


:facepalm:

 

[Irisha]

Not everyone grieves as many people might think. Some people laugh while under extreme stress, as a defense mechanism because the pain of the event is just too strong to continually deal with it every minute of every day. And, I suspect TG is experiencing a drawn-out shock, the effects of which might appear at times when she is at her weakest.

It is a good thing TG seems to be strong in some ways, for the amount of mom-bashing she is being subjected to, either directly or indirectly is intense enough to fuel a fire to burn for two years straight. Unbelievable. ;-)

Or she could be under the influence of drugs( no link, IMO). Have you seen Bella Obit? explain that or lack of it. and mommy's selfies on it. gag

BBM what do you mean by that?

 

[newone]

I live in Bullhead City and just came from the memorial site about an hour ago. They had 4 police SUVs at the site where the body was found. There was a cop in a red T-shirt running around with a police dog looking for something, I'm not sure what.

I was at the DR.s office today and heard stuff from a older women that knew Toni and the girls personally. She said Toni thought that Bella was in a much better place now and that she was treated like dog shxit by the mother, etc. She wanted to try to get the mother off drugs.

I can't say much more because I'm new to the site and don't want to break any rules, sorry

MRDW

bbm

this gives me hope - I place a lot of trust and faith in K-9 - I had a dog with a very keen sniffer.......I hope they find Bella's missing clothes.....I have faith that FBI & BHCPD located some clothing previously worn by Bella at the house and are using that to help dogs find what they need (MOO)

thanks for joining and thanks for providing a bright spark of hope for all of us

 

[ChuckMaureen]

IMO you do not have to have reason nor cause to suspect anyone, but when someone gives you pertinent information that may help find an innocent 8 yr.old, her sister, it isn't up to RF to decide what was reasonable/important info. Every single bit is important! THEY KNEW!!! I wouldn't use the word "befuddled" for RF on that 911 call. Here we go with the same game again, every time.:moo:

Does anyone *really* know what the sister said to anyone? There has been so much variance in what has been reported in this case that I tend to not believe some of it. As far as the 911 call, and given what has been reported in news articles I am sticking to my interpretation.

 

[mikeysmommom]

http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/di...an-Cannella&lc=7019&pid=172408380&mid=6114809

There are a lot of pictures, first time I have EVER seen a mom have pics of just herself on a child or really anyones obit ! I can understand pictures with mom and daughter but just mom ? WOW, that is my honest reaction.

 

[Makaroni]

Or she could be under the influence of drugs( no link, IMO). Have you seen Bella Obit? explain that or lack of it. and mommy's selfies on it. gag

BBM what do you mean by that?

Omgosh!! The selfies on your murdered child's obituary?!?!? I was blown away ... I was going to post link, but unsure if it was okay ...

 

[hambirg]

Not everyone grieves as many people might think. Some people laugh while under extreme stress, as a defense mechanism because the pain of the event is just too strong to continually deal with it every minute of every day. And, I suspect TG is experiencing a drawn-out shock, the effects of which might appear at times when she is at her weakest.

It is a good thing TG seems to be strong in some ways, for the amount of mom-bashing she is being subjected to, either directly or indirectly is intense enough to fuel a fire to burn for two years straight. Unbelievable. ;-)

Or she could just be high. Past behavior predicts future behavior, Occam's Razor and all that.

 

[news.talk]

Does anyone *really* know what the sister said to anyone? There has been so much variance in what has been reported in this case that I tend to not believe some of it. As far as the 911 call, and given what has been reported in news articles I am sticking to my interpretation.

MSM reported based on the POLICE REPORT which is supposed to be the authority of fact. No interpreting needed.

 

[Makaroni]

http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/di...an-Cannella&lc=7019&pid=172408380&mid=6114809

There are a lot of pictures, first time I have EVER seen a mom have pics of just herself on a child or really anyones obit ! I can understand pictures with mom and daughter but just mom ? WOW, that is my honest reaction.

Thank you!! And where are baby and toddler photos??!! None of those but plenty of selfies ... Ugh :banghead:

 

[winterrose]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/bhcbellastrong/ Mod said we could link to posts, it's the first pinned post with photo. So if they're there now with a bloodhound, and were at the house yesterday and today, what could this mean? Any links to MSM on it?