Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #3

[news.talk]

Sad. Very sad all around.

It's so hard to feel any compassion for a woman who's child has been brutally murdered when for all appearances, she doesn't seem to care. Other than the histrionics and hand slapping in the early days there has been virtually no emotion other than anger for how she is perceived and her penchant for being seen and heard.

Drugs do so much damage and we all know, she's most likely using now, just like she was before. Nothing has changed for her other than the fact that she now can live the life she has chosen without any concern for her children since one is dead and the other (please God), is going to have an opportunity to live as normal a life as possible in a caring environment since she has been removed by CPS.

I've said it before and I will say it again....this isn't over by a long shot. LE is building their case and watching and waiting. They got the guy who did the murder but the others are all going to fall eventually. We don't know half of what went on in that house and what is going on now.

We are dealing with a bunch of drug addled criminals. They are thieves and liars the lot of them. The lies will eventually ensnare them all the story will be told.

I will never understand how a parent can be so callous and self involved as to put their children in harms way the way this family has done. Unbelievable.

Well put. I'll say it again - Casey Anthony.

 

[2Hope4]

SCROLL AND ROLL FOLKS!!! SCROLL AND ROLL!!

:ignore: can be your friend!!

 

[RottyMama]

Hopefully a local can help me with this:

How difficult would it be to dig a 'shallow grave' without a shovel in that area? The ground where the victim was found seems very dry and packed.

Where would he have gone to get a shovel? Back to the home?

If the wash was hardpacked desert dirt it would be very difficult to dig. However, if the wash was sandy (the area is very close to the river) it probably wouldnt be to hard to dig a few feet down. The site was under construction for flood control, and if the equipment was left there at night, he may have fould a shovel there. JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

I believe that Mom's narcissism is the reason she's defied LE about giving interviews. She can't stand the public criticism and has an overwhelming need to address it. IMO, FWIW.

Actually, I think she's feeding off of it. There are some people who just aren't happy unless there's a crisis going on and THEY are in the middle of it, getting all the attention even if it's negative attention. In the most freakish way possible, this entire case qualifies. Of course it's unthinkable to rational, stable, well-balanced people who genuinely love their kids and would do anything to protect them.

 

[newone]

In the beginning I had wondered if TG & Co of friends had not gone to Laughlin instead of Walmart

hopefully having FBI on the case early cut across any red tape between Clark Co NV and BHC Mohave Co AZ and they could check surveillance tapes easily too.....

MOO

 

[Ontario Mom]

I wish we could mail this post to TG. She's old enough to learn about that thing called "responsibility," dontcha think?

Oh, from all I'm seeing she's likely online reading right now. Either FB or here, looking for more ways to play the martyr and get more attention. I believe this to be one, very serious, wicked woman.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I find this an awful idea. I think that picture of them is cute and endearing.

My hubby has done the girls' hair, and my SIL has done my grand-daughter's hair (and they have crazy curly hair like mine, so this is no easy task). If someone snapped a pic I'd find that cute and endearing. But in this case? Knowing the criminal history of so many of the adults in this case, and the pure filth and depravity those girls lived in, I find nothing cute about it. It all just rings SKETCHY to me and whether that's right or wrong I can't say. It just does.

 

[vasportsmom]

I believe that Mom's narcissism is the reason she's defied LE about giving interviews. She can't stand the public criticism and has an overwhelming need to address it. IMO, FWIW.

She reminds me of Cherish Periwinkle's mom. Rayne was damned and determined to keep on talking until everyone bought her victim act. I hope that we won't be here a year from now waiting on TG to be charged the way we are waiting on Rayne.


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[KALI]

I will never get over how many evil people there are in our world.
Nor, will I ever understand them.
But I know that that there are downright evil, awful murderers, that walk amongst us.

And the evil persons who don't make the news.

 

[KALI]

I will never get over how many evil people there are in our world.
Nor, will I ever understand them.
But I know that that there are downright evil, awful murderers, that walk amongst us.

And the evil persons who don't make the news.

 

[Lulu14]

My hubby has done the girls' hair, and my SIL has done my grand-daughter's hair (and they have crazy curly hair like mine, so this is no easy task). If someone snapped a pic I'd find that cute and endearing. But in this case? Knowing the criminal history of so many of the adults in this case, and the pure filth and depravity those girls lived in, I find nothing cute about it. It all just rings SKETCHY to me and whether that's right or wrong I can't say. It just does.

I was more answering @taysmommy who has an issue with the father of her child and her long-term fiance being shirtless on the bed with their child. What sort of society do we live in where we are so fearful even of the men closest to us? My dad bathed me until I was 7 (and later on my adopted sister as well), and I slept with him many nights as a child, and obviously, nothing bad happened. He was also the one that had to dress me up every morning, including helping me put on fresh underwear for kindergarten. Granted, I am European, and therefore, less impressed and horrified by nudity or obsessed with pedophiles, but still ... not trusting the father of your child to sit on a bed with it just because he is a guy is so wrong to me. Women can be molesters too, but I bet most mothers would be horrified if their partners suspected them of being one and restricted the circumstances of interaction with their kids.

 

[Magdalyn]

I can't say that picture bothers me. We live in a hot state, with no central air conditioning. No shirt happens all the time, as does the "Dad braiding daughter's hair" thing. That one is probably just to each, their own experience.

I think I find it disturbing because it's either her mom's boyfriend or her newly minted step-dad....and because he's a non-bio shirtless male FELON on a bed with an unrelated little girl.

The series of pics reminds my of Sky Metalwala's mother's photo stream when she was clearly fighting her husband for custody. The pictures all seemed posted for the very purpose of disputing the manner of neglect she was accused of (namely ignoring and starving the children while she vacuumed all day. :sweep: )

And can anyone think of a more narcissistic act than inserting an individual photo oneself, not even with the deceased included in the photo.....in another person's obituary/memorial photo stream? The photo feature is meant to honor the deceased. But LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!! :takeabow:

 

[tier]

I was more answering @taysmommy that has an issue with the father of her child and her long-term fiance being shirtless on the bed with their child. What sort of society do we live in where we are so fearful even of the men closest to us? My dad bathed me until I was 7 (and later on my adopted sister as well), and I slept with him many nights as a child, and obviously, nothing bad happened. He was also the one that had to dress me up every morning, including helping me put on fresh underwear for kindergarten. Granted, I am European, and therefore, less impressed and horrified by nudity or obsessed with pedophiles, but still ... not trusting the father of your child on a bad with it just because he is a guy is so wrong to me. Women can be molesters too, but I bet most mothers would be horrified if their partners suspected them of being one and restricted the circumstances of interaction with their kids.

I agree. I have no problem with that photo of him brushing her hair on the bed while he is shirtless. It was domestic and was the first glimpse of their life that I felt a little better about, actually. Obviously if I found out he was inappropriate with her on that level I'd not feel that way. But not all bad people are bad in that one particular way, thankfully.

I have problems about a lot of other stuff about the lifestyle they forced upon those girls. There are plenty we already do know about.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I was more answering @taysmommy that has an issue with the father of her child and her long-term fiance being shirtless on the bed with their child. What sort of society do we live in where we are so fearful even of the men closest to us? My dad bathed me until I was 7 (and later on my adopted sister as well), and I slept with him many nights as a child, and obviously, nothing bad happened. He was also the one that had to dress me up every morning, including helping me put on fresh underwear for kindergarten. Granted, I am European, and therefore, less impressed and horrified by nudity or obsessed with pedophiles, but still ... not trusting the father of your child on a bad with it just because he is a guy is so wrong to me. Women can be molesters too, but I bet most mothers would be horrified if their partners suspected them of being one and restricted the circumstances of interaction with their kids.

It is most certainly true that European culture and North American culture are vastly different in many areas. Here in NA, what is considered by many as highly inappropriate would be considered normal, every day life, by those in European culture. Whether good or bad, right or wrong that's just the way it is.

Fact is, RF is not Bella's father. He's the live-in, common-law, boyfriend, step-dad, whatever. For many, that's a game-changer as to what is appropriate and what is not. Not to mention, he's a convicted felon with a very violent and dangerous background. Also a game changer.

Is it likely the pic was 100% innocent? Yes, I believe so. However, at this point, for many, knowing what we know about the lifestyle of this family and the many people they had coming and going, I believe everyone is feeling (retro-actively) seriously over-protective of this poor little girl Bella. At the same time though, is it appropriate to place such a picture in her obituary? In North American culture, the answer to that is a resounding 100% NO. Obits are for remember the essence of the person, who they were, what they enjoyed, etc. It's very very very rare to see obit pics of the person with other people in this context of how Bella's is framed. i.e., with the "mother's" latest live-in and or "notice me" pics of the mother herself. I have no idea who submitted this obit but whoever it was, tried really hard to make it look like Bella had a perfectly normal, acceptable life and we all know what a lie that is.

Just some thoughts on the matter. Of course, all MOO and whatnot. Others may disagree, and that's fine.

 

[Lulu14]

I don't really think Bella's family knew who she was or what she enjoyed.

 

[newone]

I don't really think Bella's family knew who she was or what she enjoyed.

We are not hearing a lot about Bella's dreams, favorite ice cream or what she wanted to be when she grew up.....((very sad))

I do recall one of her teachers saying she had very neat handwriting and was eager to please and enjoyed learning -- that's what I am holding onto right now.....

 

[Magdalyn]

I don't really think Bella's family knew who she was or what she enjoyed.

I agree. We have not heard a single thing about her 'favorites' as we often do with these little ones.

The only thing I found was where either a teacher or her principal mentioned her favorite subjects, and what she was like.

 

[perfectingpink]

It is most certainly true that European culture and North American culture are vastly different in many areas. Here in NA, what is considered by many as highly inappropriate would be considered normal, every day life, by those in European culture. Whether good or bad, right or wrong that's just the way it is.

Fact is, RF is not Bella's father. He's the live-in, common-law, boyfriend, step-dad, whatever. For many, that's a game-changer as to what is appropriate and what is not. Not to mention, he's a convicted felon with a very violent and dangerous background. Also a game changer.

Is it likely the pic was 100% innocent? Yes, I believe so. However, at this point, for many, knowing what we know about the lifestyle of this family and the many people they had coming and going, I believe everyone is feeling (retro-actively) seriously over-protective of this poor little girl Bella. At the same time though, is it appropriate to place such a picture in her obituary? In North American culture, the answer to that is a resounding 100% NO. Obits are for remember the essence of the person, who they were, what they enjoyed, etc. It's very very very rare to see obit pics of the person with other people in this context of how Bella's is framed. i.e., with the "mother's" latest live-in and or "notice me" pics of the mother herself. I have no idea who submitted this obit but whoever it was, tried really hard to make it look like Bella had a perfectly normal, acceptable life and we all know what a lie that is.

Just some thoughts on the matter. Of course, all MOO and whatnot. Others may disagree, and that's fine.

You have an incredible way of putting things into perspective and stating them. I truly appreciate your input in every case I have followed. Thank you!

 

[Amster]

I was more answering @taysmommy who has an issue with the father of her child and her long-term fiance being shirtless on the bed with their child. What sort of society do we live in where we are so fearful even of the men closest to us? My dad bathed me until I was 7 (and later on my adopted sister as well), and I slept with him many nights as a child, and obviously, nothing bad happened. He was also the one that had to dress me up every morning, including helping me put on fresh underwear for kindergarten. Granted, I am European, and therefore, less impressed and horrified by nudity or obsessed with pedophiles, but still ... not trusting the father of your child to sit on a bed with it just because he is a guy is so wrong to me. Women can be molesters too, but I bet most mothers would be horrified if their partners suspected them of being one and restricted the circumstances of interaction with their kids.

Obsessed with pedophiles?

 

[Tams]

Hi all! Newbie here . . . :seeya:

Been following along since Jenise, finally got the nerve to post.

Some thoughts re: what LE is watching, waiting to just get them in custody:

- Would appear that TG & RF the 3rd (Ralphy? Really?) have been using hard core addictive drugs for some time. It is my understanding of addiction that one does not simply stop using this week 'cause the po po are watching. Has their supply run out yet? Where and how are they getting their fix with all eyes on their every move?

- It has also been said that TG is known to have been dealing said drugs to 'provide for her family'. Have yet to see any information that either of them are employed in any other manner - and cannot fathom that they have a savings account set aside for when things get tough ('cause they're good parents, doggonit!) Again - having every move watched - what has that done to their 'business'? They have to eventually run out of funds & get desperate,no?