Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #4

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Man pleads not guilty in AZ girl's abduction, killing

KINGMAN, AZ (FOX5) -
The 26-year-old man accused of kidnapping and killing an 8-year-old girl near her Bullhead City, AZ, home pleaded not guilty in court Friday.

Justin Rector appeared in Mohave County Superior Court as part of an arraignment.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26580100/man-pleads-not-guilty-in-az-girls-abduction-killing


from your link:

''Prosecutors will have 60 days following the arraignment to decide to seek the death penalty for a murder conviction.

Rector was arrested Sept. 2 after he was caught shoplifting at a Bullhead City Walmart store. According to police, he ditched a pair of shoes, which matched unique shoe prints near the location of the shallow grave.

A grand jury in Mohave County, AZ, indicted 26-year-old Rector on Sept. 11 in connection to the abduction case.

Visibly shaking and crying, the girl's mother was present in the court room for Rector's arraignment.''


really?? TG just stop it now MOO
 
  • #202
Did he appear in person or via video link. IIRC the paperwork said appear in person from Kingman jail. Makes me think it was video link.
Waiting for next TG interview where she is visibly crying and shaking like a bad actress from a B movie ......
JMO
 
  • #203
I still think the lack of emotion or background noise is because the caller (and perhaps the others in the house) were strung out or stoned or wasted or whatever it is called when you are in drugged haze. A zombie made that phone call. I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like to me.

JMO.
I think that strung out/stoned/wasted state is called 'tweakin'. You certainly see it used a lot in the facebook pages of TG and friends. There is also a lot of general raging and calling out of people for being liars, homewreckers, etc. I have never seen anything like it on fb or on any social media.
 
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TG had better compose herself as her next time in court may require her to be on the witness stand
 
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From your link:

Two rows behind them sat Tania Grogan, the mother of the victim. She was accompanied by her boyfriend and a representative of a victim’s assistance group.
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Prosecutor Greg McPhillips said he has not made a decision on the death penalty. He said he awaits results of the ongoing investigation, police reports and crime lab results which could determine if Bella was sexually assaulted.
 
  • #208
From your link:

Two rows behind them sat Tania Grogan, the mother of the victim. She was accompanied by her boyfriend and a representative of a victim’s assistance group.
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Prosecutor Greg McPhillips said he has not made a decision on the death penalty. He said he awaits results of the ongoing investigation, police reports and crime lab results which could determine if Bella was sexually assaulted.

ah thank you for this. this explains why I have been confused on no SA charged. They are still waiting on results.
 
  • #209
I think that strung out/stoned/wasted state is called 'tweakin'. You certainly see it used a lot in the facebook pages of TG and friends. There is also a lot of general raging and calling out of people for being liars, homewreckers, etc. I have never seen anything like it on fb or on any social media.

I was going to comment on this earlier but got sidetracked. The side effects of meth are totally different than any other drug. Unlike booze or pot which make you kind of chill and layed back (the way RF sounded in that phone call to 911) meth makes you all chatty-cathy and super confident & argumentative (because you know it all, you see). Unless, of course, you're coming down (tweaking) then it makes you sound like a paranoid psycho.

So this is sort of confusing to me. RF doesn't sound in that 911 call anything like the average meth user. MOO.
 
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"Jail Commander Don Bischoff said monitors picked up jail phone chatter triggering concern for Rector’s safety. He said the threats involved inmates rather than the general public."

Not a bit surprised, really. While there are plenty of filthy pedophiles in jails, the vast majority of criminals still have a "code" of sorts which is loosely understood: you don't touch the kids. In jailhouse terminology these guys used to be called "Shorteyes" (meaning they were drawn to children). No idea if that same slang is still used, but obviously the same hatred for them exists, in mainstream as well as in the criminal sub-culture.
 
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while he didn't deny - he didn't confess either.......possible that he just can't remember ((not taking sides here)) <-------is it possible that smoking meth messes up your memory?? I really don't know
 
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"Jail Commander Don Bischoff said monitors picked up jail phone chatter triggering concern for Rector’s safety. He said the threats involved inmates rather than the general public."

Not a bit surprised, really. While there are plenty of filthy pedophiles in jails, the vast majority of criminals still have a "code" of sorts which is loosely understood: you don't touch the kids. In jailhouse terminology these guys used to be called "Shorteyes" (meaning they were drawn to children). No idea if that same slang is still used, but obviously the same hatred for them exists, in mainstream as well as in the criminal sub-culture.
I agree. It might also be an outside threat gone inside, IYKWIM?
 
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yep,RF does not sound anything like a Tweaker.Nor does TG look or act like one.I'm more inclined to believe they were small time dealing it than using it.JR is the obvious meth head.IF that is true I also don't believe they would let JR smoke all their inventory all day without him doing something for them? I also don't believe 6 grown adults would go to Walmart together to by kid's snacks after partying (drinking,smoking weed) all day......
 
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I agree. It might also be an outside threat gone inside, IYKWIM?


yep -- nervous people who may be prone to crying -- MOO --- possibly
 
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while he didn't deny - he didn't confess either.......possible that he just can't remember ((not taking sides here)) <-------is it possible that smoking meth messes up your memory?? I really don't know
For the most part, don't the majority of these cases plead 'Not guilty'? Especially if it is a DP case - what do they have to lose? At least this plea allows for wiggle room in the seal department.
 
  • #216
For the most part, don't the majority of these cases plead 'Not guilty'? Especially if it is a DP case - what do they have to lose? At least this plea allows for wiggle room in the seal department.


I agree -- my post was actually referring to the initial interview by LE - I could have done a better job of clarifying that - he asked for legal rep right away LE stated he did not 'deny' the murder....and said he could not talk about it....
 
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I agree -- my post was actually referring to the initial interview by LE - I could have done a better job of clarifying that - he asked for legal rep right away LE stated he did not 'deny' the murder....and said he could not talk about it....
I promise that there is no "seal department" but rather a DEAL department. LOL. Won't let me edit.

Anyhoo - I agree, but I think anyone charged with such heinous crimes would be remiss if they DIDN'T ask not council.

This plea allows for a better chance at offering up information *IF* others are involved in any capacity. It is a VERY rare occurrence when an accused enters a guilty early at this stage.

ETA: I suspect that with his record, he is well versed on 'keeping his mouth shut to law enforcement without a lawyer' speak. These types of people - on the wrong side if the law, don't trust LE and tend to stay silent.
 
  • #218
I've had it... :thinking:

Given that TG is accused of being a druggie and also is seemingly oblivious to the environment she created for her children I understand the anger we feel toward this mother.


As Ontario Mom commented (and I expect many of use would accept), "everyone is different" and OM also acknowledged she knows of "other people ... who would in fact be too distraught to call 911 themselves."


THIS IS NOT DIRECTED TO ANYONE SPECIFIC, THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF US.....


Why is TG not offered that same understanding? (well, "SHE KILLED HER KID, WHY SHOULD WE???! GRRRRRR! KILL THE TG SUPPORTER!!") It just concerns me that because TG seemingly is a 'very bad mother' (and whom many believe is at least indirectly responsible for the death of her child) that everything and anything she says, does or farts is automatically and unequivocally defamed and scourged to damnation. I get the anger (I also am angry), but it appears too easily a broad-stroked anger and cheapens the analysis.


Regarding the lack of 'background noise' during the 911 call....


It is possible the other adults were outside searching the park or river accesses or wherever during the 911 call.
RF indicated TG was upstairs and distraught but we do not hear TG wailing or screaming during the 911 call. Could she not be distraught and non-vocal at the same time? In shock and fearful disbelief her daughter is missing? Distraught does not necessarilly mean screaming and wailing. TG had no explicit reason to be in such a state, so why should we hear her?


No one here, as far as I know, knows what TG was doing during that 911 call. Given how RF seemed calm but obviously discombobulated himself during the 911 call, his info regarding TG could have been inaccurate. At that moment TG could have been outside with the other adults.


I am not making excuses for anyone (and I am thoroughly disgusted that I feel I have to qualify this post because some might accuse me of defending a drug mother's lifestyle and would reign all heck-fire on me / this post). I am trying to be reasonable in applying expectation, assumption and observation and, attempting to hopefully separate out reasonable and fair possibilities from the "all druggie everything bad bad bad kitchen sink stinker evil druggie druggie druggie" meme.


Many call her out, saying TG is a lousy mother. Smack smack smack! Increased risk for harm? Certainly. An absolute path to abduction and pantie-less murder? No. TG made a tragic mistake in allowing JJR to stay in her home. I believe TG never expected JJR to turn out to be a sick animal toward her child as he revealed himself to be. The 'ex-girlfriend and animal strangulation' issues attributed to JJR should have been a glaring red flag to TG - I do not fully understand nor excuse her letting that slide ..maybe she did not believe it, JJR denied it?


TG obviously never felt her children were ever under any threat from JJR ..JJR's (best) friends never expected he was capable of murder. We may accuse TG of *knowingly* exposing her children to a criminal element, but we can not accuse her of *knowingly* exposing her children to a *murderer*.


I believe (based on LE reports) TG is NOT directly responsible for the death of her child. Her baby girl was murdered by someone she trusted. *A situation many other parents have experienced*, drug lifestyle or not.


As it now stands, JJR is charged / responsible for the murder of Isabella Grogan-Cannella unless further information dictates otherwise. And TG is the murdered child's grieving mother, regardless of *how* people believe she should grieve or how she appears in public.

The FB groups are full of speculators and people who think they know something ..the only conspiracy theory yet to appear is that TG and RF hired aliens from Pluto to take over JJR's body and use it to murder their child.

Get a grip.
 
  • #219
I agree. It might also be an outside threat gone inside, IYKWIM?

It's possible ( probable?) there are other inmates inside that are family friends/ acquaintances to the victim and her family. jmoo
 
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