GUILTY AZ - Sylar Newton, 2, Rimrock, 25 July 2010 - #5

[Wintersdawn]

Baby Gabriel has entered my mind numerous times since the day Sylar was reported missing. They are or would be close enough in height and weight...while Jaryd was bigger.

I don't know if you just pulled a name out of the air... but I thought I would mentioned in case you didn't know, that we DO know what happened to Jaryd Atadero. Or, at least we know that he died on the mountain... how he died is still debated. Police feel it was a mountain lion, his Dad questions that. Regardless, in the summer of 2003 his clothes were found 600 feet from where he disappeared...then part of his skull and a tooth were found ten days later. DNA testing showed it was Jaryd.

I was shocked that there was essentially nothing on WS about him.

Found Deceased CO - Jaryd Atadero, 3, Comanche Peak Wilderness, 1999 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Most articles are archived now as well. But there is a few from 2008.

Thank you MsFacetious,
Yeah, I was just pulling a name out of the air. Actually, I had not known that they found him till this whole thing started and reminded me of that older case. I went and looked it up again and found the information on the discovery of the bones. Its a shame that his father still wonders what happened. I cant imagine how hard this has been for him.

I know as a parent, that I could never stop looking for answers, it would be all consuming. I suppose thats why all the funeral planning, and fundraising for a memorial with Sylar really bothers me. As a parent I dont know if I would believe it was my child without a positive ID. Even then, without seeing the body for myself, I think I would always doubt.
At this point without an ID, I would still be handing out missing posters, and raising reward funds, and Im sure people would be talking about how I should accept the reality. But I dont think I could. As long as their was even the tiniest possibility that he was out their, I would still be looking.

One thing you pointed out that I had not thought about was baby gabriel, everyone mentions that no other children from the area are missing so it has to be Sylar. But really it is a national forest, with campgrounds, who says the missing had to come from Yavapai county?

 

[Kat]

Thank you MsFacetious,
Yeah, I was just pulling a name out of the air. Actually, I had not known that they found him till this whole thing started and reminded me of that older case. I went and looked it up again and found the information on the discovery of the bones. Its a shame that his father still wonders what happened. I cant imagine how hard this has been for him.

I know as a parent, that I could never stop looking for answers, it would be all consuming. I suppose thats why all the funeral planning, and fundraising for a memorial with Sylar really bothers me. As a parent I dont know if I would believe it was my child without a positive ID. Even then, without seeing the body for myself, I think I would always doubt.
At this point without an ID, I would still be handing out missing posters, and raising reward funds, and Im sure people would be talking about how I should accept the reality. But I dont think I could. As long as their was even the tiniest possibility that he was out their, I would still be looking.
One thing you pointed out that I had not thought about was baby gabriel, everyone mentions that no other children from the area are missing so it has to be Sylar. But really it is a national forest, with campgrounds, who says the missing had to come from Yavapai county?

Bolded respectfully by me.

I mostly spend my time on the cold case missing persons threads. There are a few missing persons that are fairly recent that I visit their threads. But not many, and not that often. Sylar is one.

The part I bolded. It saddens me and makes me wish that I, personally, could do more to help a lot of the parents of the cold case missing.

They often state in interviews what you said in your post that I bolded.

They never stop looking. It's still an open wound for them. Even if they do find their child's body eventually, it's not closure. There is no such thing as closure for the Parents of missing and murdered children. In their own words not mine.

Sylar may have had an extended family that loved him. But, the two Mom's he had for a short time, weren't Mom's at all in any sense. Blunt, I know, but that's my opinion at this moment. JMHO.

 

[Oriah]

I believe that info was included in the first two threads of this forum -- If I recall correctly dogs kept returning to the ''that'' spot (tent) indicating that he would have been carried from the campsite.

In the earliest thread there were some SAR people who gave us good info on the dogs.

Police K9's and tracking dogs were brought out initially. Those were the dogs that 'did not want to leave the campground.' They were likely following the scent trails that Sylar had disbursed prior to disappearing.
Cross trained and HRD dogs were brought out later on.
Whether or not those dogs hit on anything within the campground is unlikely to be released prior to trial, because it may be relevent to prosecution.

 

[wannabedetective]

Looks like they bumped up the amount of the reward? If that's the case, that leads me to believe LE doesn't have substantial evidence to make an arrest once the body is positively ID'd. I was hoping that they were going to make an arrest as soon as DNA came back.
http://chathousecares.amplify.com/2010/09/02/reward-offered-for-information-in-sylar-newtons-death/

 

[cluciano63]

I feel sure that LE is not dropping the ball, so to speak, on this case. For whatever reason, the official ID is taking longer than we would like; we don't really know the state of the remains. But I feel confident that charges will follow an official identification, as long as cause of death can be established. That is the sticking point, that if they can't tell for sure how he died, that they may be unable to charge anyone for murder and may end up charging only for neglect or endangerment.

 

[wannabedetective]

I feel sure that LE is not dropping the ball, so to speak, on this case. For whatever reason, the official ID is taking longer than we would like; we don't really know the state of the remains. But I feel confident that charges will follow an official identification, as long as cause of death can be established. That is the sticking point, that if they can't tell for sure how he died, that they may be unable to charge anyone for murder and may end up charging only for neglect or endangerment.

I agree with you. I wasn't implying that LE had dropped the ball in any way. I was just thinking they don't have the evidence they need right now. They can only do what they can do. I would imagine the sheriff is working 'round-the-clock trying to get to the bottom of this.

 

[Wintersdawn]

Looks like they bumped up the amount of the reward? If that's the case, that leads me to believe LE doesn't have substantial evidence to make an arrest once the body is positively ID'd. I was hoping that they were going to make an arrest as soon as DNA came back.
http://chathousecares.amplify.com/2010/09/02/reward-offered-for-information-in-sylar-newtons-death/

Good Catch!

 

[jessicat]

I will say I find it a bit odd this whole fundraising thing. My personal opinion is CN needs a spokesperson/atty on her behalf only to answer these questions. People are going to have them regardless. I thought there were many people that had come out willing to donate funeral services etc. I'm just not understanding the bracelets etc. I agree with a previous poster...I would much rather spend my money on SAR, NCMEC etc. I'm just not too sure where they are going with all of this. Problem is there are many Sylar groups...the one originally started with the misspelled name then the one with the correct spelling. I think it confuses people. If perhaps there was just one person to speak out on her behalf maybe that would help. Perhaps what I find most disturbing and sad is that poor Sylar didn't have this much attention to his life before it was taken so suddenly and viciously

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

I think poor Sylar is safer now than he ever was during his lifetime...

 

[jessicat]

I think poor Sylar is safer now than he ever was during his lifetime...

Yes sadly I think you are right. Breaks my heart.

 

[MsFacetious]

Absolutely, without an ID I wouldn't believe it was them.

Especially given the factors in this case.

There is no clothes involved, so no identifying items to compare. (Like in Jaryd's case or Caylee's case.)

There was only skeletal remains so no visual ID.

There IS another missing child of nearly identical physical features, age and size...even hair and eye color who is missing and lived in Arizona. There is absolutely no way to prove this isn't Baby Gabriel without DNA. Even if there was hair, that wouldn't be definitive because it's about the same.

Who do I think it is? I think it is Sylar, of course. However there is still that question in the back of my mind about Gabriel.

Or even a missing child from another state. Someone from Arizona originally who lived in a surrounding state, could easily dump a child there. It may be a child that wouldn't be missed for a while because they are not school aged. Then once they WERE missed by an extended family member, (Cecilia Harris case) the body wouldn't be immediately connected because it wouldn't be in the area where the child's family lived. (Precious Doe case.)

Obviously there is a 99% chance it is Sylar. I just think that with Baby Gabriel and the location...it's too soon to say for sure.

There is always that chance.

How as a "mother" can you so easily accept your son is dead?

Thank you MsFacetious,
Yeah, I was just pulling a name out of the air. Actually, I had not known that they found him till this whole thing started and reminded me of that older case. I went and looked it up again and found the information on the discovery of the bones. Its a shame that his father still wonders what happened. I cant imagine how hard this has been for him.

I know as a parent, that I could never stop looking for answers, it would be all consuming. I suppose thats why all the funeral planning, and fundraising for a memorial with Sylar really bothers me. As a parent I dont know if I would believe it was my child without a positive ID. Even then, without seeing the body for myself, I think I would always doubt.
At this point without an ID, I would still be handing out missing posters, and raising reward funds, and Im sure people would be talking about how I should accept the reality. But I dont think I could. As long as their was even the tiniest possibility that he was out their, I would still be looking.

One thing you pointed out that I had not thought about was baby gabriel, everyone mentions that no other children from the area are missing so it has to be Sylar. But really it is a national forest, with campgrounds, who says the missing had to come from Yavapai county?

 

[jessicat]

I personally think that she may have some info that maybe we don't have that leads her to believe it is Sylar for sure. I agree with what you are saying though MsF. As a parent I think I would be in total denial until someone for sure said it was my child. Whatever the case is it more than likely is Sylar but I totally get what you are saying too.

 

[newone]

If I remember correctly, there was a statement by one either Charity or Anna maybe, that the funeral home was inundated with rude and threatening phone calls. I suspect the owner decided that as much as he wanted to help, it wasn't worth the hassle.

Now that is truly shameful - I thought it was very benevolent of the funeral facility to handle things for Sylar. In most cases, donations are accepted at the time of the memorial and passed onto the bereaved. I was sorry to hear that the mortuary was getting flak.

 

[Wintersdawn]

Andrea posted that people were calling & complaining that the funeral home should be giving its services for free and that it was wrong of them to charge Charity. Charity has some strange Fans.

 

[newone]

Andrea posted that people were calling & complaining that the funeral home should be giving its services for free and that it was wrong of them to charge Charity. Charity has some strange Fans.

:banghead: ouch

 

[JLMcKenna83]

I thought all of it was donated? (The service, headstone.. whatnot) What exactly is she being charged for?

Is it Charity telling these "fans" that she's being charged? Where's the proof of these charges? And how can she even be charged for anything when there hasn't been a positive id? What if it isn't even her child that was found? (IMO... there's about a 1% chance that it's not Sylar... but still...)

What happens if it does turn out not to be him? Are all of these people going to get their money back? (you know.. the money they donated FOR SYLAR (not Charity) to be buried with some dignity and respect... to show that he was loved and wanted, and people thought he was more than just a thing that they could sign ownership over to with a notary stamp)

:cow::cow::cow::cow:

 

[wannabedetective]

I thought all of it was donated? (The service, headstone.. whatnot) What exactly is she being charged for?

Is it Charity telling these "fans" that she's being charged? Where's the proof of these charges? And how can she even be charged for anything when there hasn't been a positive id? What if it isn't even her child that was found? (IMO... there's about a 1% chance that it's not Sylar... but still...)

What happens if it does turn out not to be him? Are all of these people going to get their money back? (you know.. the money they donated FOR SYLAR (not Charity) to be buried with some dignity and respect... to show that he was loved and wanted, and people thought he was more than just a thing that they could sign ownership over to with a notary stamp)

:cow::cow::cow::cow:

There is a person on the FB page that had stated, on more than one occasion, that he was going to take care of all the funeral expenses. Guess the guy's just a big talker.

I was wondering too. Could you imagine if we got news that DNA results came back either inconclusive or not a match?

 

[newone]

There is a person on the FB page that had stated, on more than one occasion, that he was going to take care of all the funeral expenses. Guess the guys just a big talker.

I was wondering too. Could you imagine if we got news that DNA results came back either inconclusive or not a match?

bbm

My thoughts are echoing yours vis a vis ''inconclusive'' -- that would reopen a lot of wounds for those who have missing kids (i.e. Gabriel, etc).

 

[JLMcKenna83]

There is a person on the FB page that had stated, on more than one occasion, that he was going to take care of all the funeral expenses. Guess the guys just a big talker.

I was wondering too. Could you imagine if we got news that DNA results came back either inconclusive or not a match?

bbm... I honestly don't believe that. (not that he didn't say it, but that he was actually going to pay for everything.)

Donations were rolling in by the bucket full as well as whatever any victim's fund would have given her, and not to mention what was donated by the funeral home... Why would 1 person be paying for it all? And if that 1 person is paying for everything... then there's obviously no need for any donations, because apparently, everything would all ready be taken care of, no?

 

[wannabedetective]

bbm... I honestly don't believe that. (not that he didn't say it, but that he was actually going to pay for everything.)

Donations were rolling in by the bucket full as well as whatever any victim's fund would have given her, and not to mention what was donated by the funeral home... Why would 1 person be paying for it all? And if that 1 person is paying for everything... then there's obviously no need for any donations, because apparently, everything would all ready be taken care of, no?

...and a total stranger from what I can tell.

I'm not certain that they really collected all that much from what I can tell. I think many of the lurkers on the FB page talk a big game but that's about it. Looks like they only came up with about $500 from what I can gather.

As much as my heart goes out to this poor child, I can't bring myself to donate although I could make a significant donation. Sometimes I feel bad about that, but I've been watching that page since day one and it all just doesn't sit right with me.