AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #3

[chicagofa13]

Salem, I never saw that! I have to really go back and reread the transcripts!!! I'm such a dork reading andI think I scim by info too quickly.

It's beginning to make more sense why the DA may be taking a step back from charges. He knows that there are too many holes (no pun intented) for him to get a true conviction. And, he's right to question this case for what he has.

imho

Someone mentioned the hole was from a party TR (?) had attended.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Someone mentioned the hole was from a party TR (?) had attended.

TR attended a party, yet the hole was in their door? How is that possible? Just asking.

 

[chicagofa13]

It was reportedly from a party that TR went to. Don't have any clue where to find the link that says that, though.

Here it the post I was referring to for those that missed it...

 

[chicagofa13]

TR attended a party, yet the hole was in their door? How is that possible? Just asking.

LOLOLLL, I need to pay attention. There was an extra hole in the truck! That is what I thought we were discussing.

ETA: The quote was about the hole in the truck, so what am I missing???

 

[gitana1]

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"Judge Roca ordered the defense to search for an alternate way to get the boy help"


Why isn't this little boy getting therapy?What alternative way?I do not understand this.This little boy needs to be talking to someone now and should have been a long time ago.

You know, this may not be such a bad thing. I read a fantastic book recently by a famous Texas psychologist all about trauma in children. He treated the Waco Texas kids that were rleased from the compound during the Branch Davidian stand-off, among others. The guy is incredibly smart and innovative. Anyhow, he stated that conventional therapy is often not a good thing for child trauma victims, especially right away. In fact, he thinks it can make their trauma even worse. Instead, he feels they need to be in supportive environments where they can get alot of love and a feeling of predictability and security and with people who they can approach whenever they feel like talking, who will very gently respond to what they are saying or doing. For example, one of these kids wanted to constantly jump out at and "scare" the psychologist. It gave the child a sense of control and power and a sense that the doctor was not scary, like the cult leader was. Another kid who had witnessed her mom being hog-tied, raped and killed, and who herself had her own throat cut, (the kid was about 3 at the time), wanted the doctor to lie on the floor as if he was hogtied, and not move, while the child repeatedly acted out how she tried to help her mom and get her to respond. Evetually, the "play" changed to allow the doctor more movement and to respond and the child progressed. His point is that regularly scheduled talk therapy can acutally harm a child by reinforcing the traumatic experience, especially if done soon after the incident. What the kid in this case needs is lots of love and support, rather than being housed in a non-therapeutic institution.

 

[tapu]

You know, this may not be such a bad thing. I read a fantastic book recently by a famous Texas psychologist all about trauma in children. He treated the Waco Texas kids that were rleased from the compound during the Branch Davidian stand-off, among others. The guy is incredibly smart and innovative. Anyhow, he stated that conventional therapy is often not a good thing for child trauma victims, especially right away. In fact, he thinks it can make their trauma even worse. Instead, he feels they need to be in supportive environments where they can get alot of love and a feeling of predictability and security and with people who they can approach whenever they feel like talking, who will very gently respond to what they are saying or doing. For example, one of these kids wanted to constantly jump out at and "scare" the psychologist. It gave the child a sense of control and power and a sense that the doctor was not scary, like the cult leader was. Another kid who had witnessed her mom being hog-tied, raped and killed, and who herself had her own throat cut, (the kid was about 3 at the time), wanted the doctor to lie on the floor as if he was hogtied, and not move, while the child repeatedly acted out how she tried to help her mom and get her to respond. Evetually, the "play" changed to allow the doctor more movement and to respond and the child progressed. His point is that regularly scheduled talk therapy can acutally harm a child by reinforcing the traumatic experience, especially if done soon after the incident. What the kid in this case needs is lots of love and support, rather than being housed in a non-therapeutic institution.

Yes, that's Bruce Perry's work, with the kids from Waco. An aside but, have you ever heard about his earlier life? His wife was killed in the early 70s, at Stanford Univ, I think. Ritualistic murder in a church. Never solved. Weird. He does some amazing ground-breaking work with kids, that's for sure.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The defense proposed that anything the child told the therapist would be confidential, not subject to prosecution. I assume the judge didn't want to let the therapist escape a subpoena.

I think that is it too, Soobs.

Judge Roca just doesn't want any part of this case absorbed in secrecy. Even the evaluations of all experts will be given to the State and defense.

The only one that can hold his secrets and not disclose it is his defense attorney who has attorney/client privilege.

imoo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

We have no idea what the judge is thinking and we can't speak for him.Just let him decide.We do not know what is going on about anything yet.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They went on a call expecting a drug overdose (due to the area , i think to qoute Off Rodriquez. When they arrived they faced a situation they normally don't have to deal with. I'm not sure if they'd even think as far of having to call outside agencies. They haven't had a murder in 20 some odd years in general.

They did call in the state agency right away.

I do not know if other agencies have been brought in but most of the evidence has been turned over to the State to test.

imoo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

You know, this may not be such a bad thing. I read a fantastic book recently by a famous Texas psychologist all about trauma in children. He treated the Waco Texas kids that were rleased from the compound during the Branch Davidian stand-off, among others. The guy is incredibly smart and innovative. Anyhow, he stated that conventional therapy is often not a good thing for child trauma victims, especially right away. In fact, he thinks it can make their trauma even worse. Instead, he feels they need to be in supportive environments where they can get alot of love and a feeling of predictability and security and with people who they can approach whenever they feel like talking, who will very gently respond to what they are saying or doing. For example, one of these kids wanted to constantly jump out at and "scare" the psychologist. It gave the child a sense of control and power and a sense that the doctor was not scary, like the cult leader was. Another kid who had witnessed her mom being hog-tied, raped and killed, and who herself had her own throat cut, (the kid was about 3 at the time), wanted the doctor to lie on the floor as if he was hogtied, and not move, while the child repeatedly acted out how she tried to help her mom and get her to respond. Evetually, the "play" changed to allow the doctor more movement and to respond and the child progressed. His point is that regularly scheduled talk therapy can acutally harm a child by reinforcing the traumatic experience, especially if done soon after the incident. What the kid in this case needs is lots of love and support, rather than being housed in a non-therapeutic institution.

Thankyou gitana1.That was beautiful.I wish this little boy could get his help.

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What the kid in this case needs is lots of love and support, rather than being housed in a non-therapeutic institution.

I agree.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I've checked and all I could find was one criminal case brought against a Tim Eugene Romans in Maricopa County in 6/1990. Idk the outcome, it states "Terminated". I did note it didn't say "Dismissed"...have no idea what the criminal case could be other than the rumor of drug dealing, but this was practically 20 years ago, when he was pretty much a young kid himself so I'm certainly going to be hesitant before using something against him from sooo long ago, but that's just my opinion....everyone else is certainly welcome to theirs

I do think it would be kind to realize that his wife and children may be searching the net on info on him and stumble across us, so maybe we could try and keep that in mind..they've suffered enough needless pain already IMO....just a thought

1990? My gosh that was when he was very young. No wonder they said PRIOR. It just never made sense that he was some bad guy now into drugs. I remember reading articles how he helped children and coached them when playing basketball. One lady said he mentored her son.

I know his wife and two daughters, who are so pretty to me, have to be devastated by the loss of Tim. Even if Tanya has to come to the realization that he may have cheated on her, I think she will always love him in spite of that.

imoo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Yes,1990 was a long time ago.It is not today.He could very well be clean now.It does and can happen.I will say bar room fights and his car apparantly shot at do not look too good though.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Was the shooting at the vehicle done by someone that worked with him. I thought I remember the other guy was Navajo and Tim is Apache. Many of them do not get along with each other. A tribal thing I guess.

I betcha alcohol was involved heavily at the party they were at.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Someone on here said it was at a party.It doesen't look good.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Someone on here said it was at a party.It doesen't look good.

Thanks, yes it was at a party but I thought I read the guy that did it worked with Tim. Wonder if Tim was his foreman?

What do you mean it doesn't look good? I highly doubt Tim wanted his nice truck shot up but there are kooks everywhere and some parties can bring out the worst.

imoo

 

[Salem]

Yes,1990 was a long time ago.It is not today.He could very well be clean now.It does and can happen.I will say bar room fights and his car apparantly shot at do not look too good though.

I agree with this. It was almost 20 years ago, if that is the correct record entry, BUT bar room fights and having your truck shot at does raise a red flag in my opinion. Stepping out on his wife doesn't (if he did) doesn't help either.

I'm confused about one thing: If this was TR's truck, why was he getting out on the passenger side? Wouldn't he have been driving and VR in the passenger seat?

The left elbow shot is really throwing me off here.

Salem

 

[MeoW333]

1990? My gosh that was when he was very young. No wonder they said PRIOR. It just never made sense that he was some bad guy now into drugs. I remember reading articles how he helped children and coached them when playing basketball. One lady said he mentored her son.

I know his wife and two daughters, who are so pretty to me, have to be devastated by the loss of Tim. Even if Tanya has to come to the realization that he may have cheated on her, I think she will always love him in spite of that.

imoo

Tim Romans still went out to bars & wild parties every night, and also proposed to a woman, Candy while he was married.
(if the origin of the bullet hole in the truck is from a party Tim went to)

 

[Ms Suzanne]

It doesn't look good for him because maybe he should not have been at parties and bars to begins with.What provoked this person to shoot at him if that was what happened.They apparantly had bar room fights a few times.IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO.You know what I mean.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I agree with this. It was almost 20 years ago, if that is the correct record entry, BUT bar room fights and having your truck shot at does raise a red flag in my opinion. Stepping out on his wife doesn't (if he did) doesn't help either.

I'm confused about one thing: If this was TR's truck, why was he getting out on the passenger side? Wouldn't he have been driving and VR in the passenger seat?

The left elbow shot is really throwing me off here.

Salem

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I'm confused about one thing: If this was TR's truck, why was he getting out on the passenger side? Wouldn't he have been driving and VR in the passenger seat?

Was the gun on the seat on that side?

 

[Salem]

Another thing I am confused about is the bullet hole in the screen door. Obviously made from the outside. This means the kid, who had allegedly just shot his dad inside, had to get outside without TR seeing him with the gun? Or did he shoot his dad through the screen door? If so, why didn't TR see him? If the kid was hiding in the bushes how did he shoot his dad inside? How did he get outside with TR seeing him? Why would he go outside and hide, instead of just leaving the scene?

Salem