AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

[sdn8tv]

I agree. Vince's biggest mistake was trusting his son.

I think Vince's biggest mistake was letting Tiffany in his life...

 

[southcitymom]

What I am saying is Vince was responsible for what went on in his home. He is responsible for how he treated his son, how he let Tiffany treat his son. Not getting his son help if he felt he needed it. Ultimately, Vince's lack of responsibility led to his death. Maybe this family was taught to deal with violence with violence...
I am not saying he is responsible for his death...

I understand why you think the child killed his Dad. Why do you think the child killed Tim? Do you think Tim was abusive to the child?

 

[trofanji]

I agree. Vince's biggest mistake was trusting his son.

…and exact that makes it careless!

 

[sdn8tv]

I understand why you think the child killed his Dad. Why do you think the child killed Tim? Do you think Tim was abusive to the child?

I cannot comment on this on this board.

 

[colette]

Not sure why you are putting "the boy" or "mom" in quotes or what you're trying to imply...
How do you know I CAN'T know the true facts of the family life before this. Honestly, you don't know who I am, who I know, what I know and I don't appreciate being called a liar. Do you really think all the sealed records have been released for general consumption? Well there are five psychiatric evaluations and none of which will be disclosed.



Yes it is harsh my feelings for Tiffany and I don't care. I believe in Karma...100%.

I did not call you a liar. Personally I don't care who you know, you did not live in the house so never can know the true facts.

 

[Trino]

So because a person is dead through violence and they are absolved of their crimes? A man beats the heck out of his wife and kids and the wife kills him...but he is absolved of his actions that caused this affect? A child should just sit there and take the abuse and not fight back. The one time he did try he was just beat again. Tiffany started monitoring his calls with his mother. His own grandmother knew this was happening and refused to believe it and did nothing. Ask your friend why Vince's father, Leroy, would spit in the face of Tiffany if he ever saw her again. Ask your friend why there are no pictures of Vince and Tiffany in Liz's home. Ask your friend why there are pictures of Vince, Eryn and CR in Liz's home. Ask your friend why there are pictures of Vince's sisters husbands in Liz's home...but none of Tiffany. Ask your friend why the only pictures of the Wedding are of Vince, CR and other family members...none of Tiffany. Ask your friend why Vince told his dad he would never have children with Tiffany. I think Tiffany started a pattern of abuse towards CR that Vince did nothing to stop and to keep her happy he 1) allowed it to go on and 2) started beating CR himself.

Tiffany can sit in her wheelchair the rest of her natural life and wonder just how her life went so bad...you do not beat a child the way she did...I sure hope Karma is a bigger bi**h than I am. I cannot wait for the day they bring charges against her...that's what will make me happy. So far there has been nothing in the case that makes me happy, except the fact the I opened my heart to this young family in need and have been changed since. And Yes I do sleep better at night knowing that someday Tiffany will answer to the one above...and yes I have lost many nights of sleep worrying about this little boy and thinking about how torn apart that family is now.

Vince and Tiffany are just going along their merry way raising this boy, providing this idealic life for this boy and he just wakes up and decides I'm going to kill my dad...come on...Don't you think maybe they could have taught their son coping skills, some anger management skills. If my 8 year old son told me some of the things people claim "after the fact" that he said, I certainly would have my child in therapy...at a minimum.

This was a perfect storm brewing...child abuse, home alone, loaded weapons available, taught to use them...dysfunctional family...

The problem is this is not a black or white issue...this is not a third world country...we don't give up on our children

Again, stop putting words in my mouth...I never called you bias...

I know what he did, I know why he did it, does it make it right...no way, does the child need help...yes he does...can this child have a normal life...probably not...but I will do my best to make sure he has a good shot at it and so will his mother.

You can rant all you need to do about Tiffany and Vince, but CR still killed another human being with whom he had no relationship. IMO CR cannot be excused for this because he was supposedly abused.

Surely, if child abuse was the case, CR would have told psychiatrists, and Tiffany would have been charged by now. Why hasn't this happened?

 

[trofanji]

You can rant all you need to do about Tiffany and Vince, but CR still killed another human being with whom he had no relationship. IMO CR cannot be excused for this because he was supposedly abused.

Surely, if child abuse was the case, CR would have told psychiatrists, and Tiffany would have been charged by now. Why hasn't this happened?

Think about, why is he only charged with Tim's death?

 

[Linda7NJ]

But Linda, you are basing your opinion that he wasn't beaten on a simple intake done when he was placed in detention.

They looked the kids body over and they would have documented if there was a mark on him.

His lawyer said there was no evidence of abuse.

There were never any allegations of abuse made prior.

No calls were ever made to CPS.

The kid lied about keeping a "spanking diary"

The kid is a proven liar, why should I..... or anyone else, believe a word he says?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not sure why you are putting "the boy" or "mom" in quotes or what you're trying to imply...
How do you know I CAN'T know the true facts of the family life before this. Honestly, you don't know who I am, who I know, what I know and I don't appreciate being called a liar. Do you really think all the sealed records have been released for general consumption? Well there are five psychiatric evaluations and none of which will be disclosed.



Yes it is harsh my feelings for Tiffany and I don't care. I believe in Karma...100%.

You don't know what went on behind closed doors. PERIOD.

I don't care who you claim to be, who you claim to know, and for how long.

If you did indeed KNOW the boy was beaten and being abused and you did NOTHING...maybe you should be pointing the finger at yourself, not just Vince or Tiffany...don't ya think?

I don't care how many evaluations were done or by whom. I don't care if you're privy to them. I know the boy committed two horrific murders and I know he lied and lied and lied. I would be a fool to believe anything he alleges....anyone would be.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I cannot comment on this on this board.

How convenient

 

[Linda7NJ]

You can rant all you need to do about Tiffany and Vince, but CR still killed another human being with whom he had no relationship. IMO CR cannot be excused for this because he was supposedly abused.

Surely, if child abuse was the case, CR would have told psychiatrists, and Tiffany would have been charged by now. Why hasn't this happened?

IMO Because it's a BIG FAT LIE and there is ZERO evidence!

 

[trofanji]

IMO Because it's a BIG FAT LIE and there is ZERO evidence!

just wait and see who is right at the end, I'm looking with a good feeling forward!

 

[southcitymom]

You know, I am deeply respectful that some people on this thread are relying on "inside" and/or personal information regarding this case and this family that they can't share here and to which others aren't privy. I get that.

But truly, it's downright impossible to have a meaningful discussion under those conditions.

 

[southcitymom]

just wait and see who is right at the end, I'm looking with a good feeling forward!

I don't care who is right or wrong. I don't think anyone here is going to do a celebratory dance if evidence comes out that Christian was being abused by his Dad and stepmom and (maybe - I don't know if it's alleged or not) the roommate.

But, IMHO, it's completely fair to think that we haven't heard about any such abuse because none was going on.

For me personally, I think it's obvious that there was some dysfunction going on in this family. There may well have been emotional/psychological abuse. But that's only part of this puzzle because we all know that most 8-year-olds don't respond the way this child responded.

It is all just so sad.

 

[sdn8tv]

I did not call you a liar. Personally I don't care who you know, you did not live in the house so never can know the true facts.

So to clarify...I didn't live in the house so I cannot so for certain that there was abuse...but other people here didn't live in that house either but they can say for sure there was NO ABUSE...now I understand!

 

[colette]

So to clarify...I didn't live in the house so I cannot so for certain that there was abuse...but other people here didn't live in that house either but they can say for sure there was NO ABUSE...now I understand!

All I was saying you were very harsh in your judgement of Tiffany. You didn't live in the home at the time of the murders, you can't know the true facts. You can't know "for certain".

Others are saying no EVIDENCE of abuse, no bruises, no broken bones, and no documented reports of abuse.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So to clarify...I didn't live in the house so I cannot so for certain that there was abuse...but other people here didn't live in that house either but they can say for sure there was NO ABUSE...now I understand!

I said it was my opinion and it's supported by the LACK of any evidence that the boy was abused.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So to clarify...I didn't live in the house so I cannot so for certain that there was abuse...but other people here didn't live in that house either but they can say for sure there was NO ABUSE...now I understand!

you said some pretty vile things about Tiffany. That' pretty outrageous to me and incredibly disturbing to see just how far some are willing to go to defend and excuse a double murderer.

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.wmicentral.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20389530&BRD=2264&PAG=461&dept_id=505965&rfi=6

Whiting said with the uniqueness of the case, a boy being charged with two counts of homicide and pleading guilty to one, they had to handle things a little differently.
"That's why we sought the expertise of two of the finest child psychiatrists in the Southwest," he said.
Whiting said the reports from the two doctors were pretty similar, even in the treatment aspect. However, he said the court had told him the recommendations were too expensive, and so he began looking for funding sources. At the Oct. 22 hearing, he said the court turned around completely, saying money was not the problem but having a place to spend it was.
"Not only do we have a recommendation of treatment, we have a specific facility to send the juvenile," he said. "That was the contention set forth in (the state's) motions."
Whiting said he has spoken to the boy's family, others in the community and psychiatrists and they have all agreed the boy needs help. Sending him to the Arizona Department of Juvenile Corrections, he said, denies him that help.



http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docs/Cases/JV2008065/MOTIONS HEARING 11_18_09.pdf

new court doc

 

[Linda7NJ]

sdn8tv

How has Eryn been supporting herself and the boy?

What ever happened to the dog?