AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #3

[OrdinaryLife]

Well, hopefully, there may be others who would like to discuss other theories/possibilities that are worthy of this case. I am not fixed. I believe in looking at it *all* before rushing to judgment. Especially since this case is still very open. I respect that both of you feel differently, but I would hope, until this is totally resolved, that others would like to discuss it further.

I wish you both well.

 

[southcitymom]

My 8 year old son was watching I-Carly on TV the other night and they were talking about juvie, he also said our neighbor boy who is 10 told him about it as well.

My 6 year old told me yesterday that if you hit someone, you would go to juvie and that juvie is jail for kids. He heard that at school in kindergarden.

 

[Fairy1]

IMO - it's ridiculous NOT to discuss other possibilities. What little we do know leaves plenty of room for doubt and other possible scenarios. We have an 8-year-old child who was basically coerced into confessing to a double murder - with no obvious motive. We have a wife who was being cheated on and another wife who we know was in a fight with her husband the day he was killed. And...we know that these men had a beef with some of their co-workers. And we have a suspicious car in the area near the time of the murders. How is it not "fair" to discuss other possibilities? That's what we do here.

 

[Chargergal]

Interesting article I read today.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1284420/in_pursuit_of_justice_for_whom.html?cat=17

 

[Fairy1]

I cannot understand how it's even legal to wait 10 years to charge someone with a crime to which they "confessed" at the age of 8. It amounts to apples and oranges as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Trino]

Interesting article I read today.http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1284420/in_pursuit_of_justice_for_whom.html?cat=17

Very interesting article that brings up interesting questions. I've never understood how a person could be mentally incompetent when they commit a crime, recover, then be charged as though they were competent all the while. Strange laws on this in about every state.

IMO the court and attorneys are trying to bring together a solution that would be fair to the victims as well as the boy. I don't know that this can be possible.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Well, hopefully, there may be others who would like to discuss other theories/possibilities that are worthy of this case. I am not fixed. I believe in looking at it *all* before rushing to judgment. Especially since this case is still very open. I respect that both of you feel differently, but I would hope, until this is totally resolved, that others would like to discuss it further.

I wish you both well.

This sounds good.We will discuss all possibilities.

 

[SoobsinMI]

No, Soobs. The defense attorney said he did. This was his work product not the DAs. He was the interviewer.

imoo

I'm confused. I was speaking of the interrogation. That wasn't the defense's work product, that was the police. And it was released by the court (albeit unintentionally, if we look back at the December 4th (?) court record.

 

[SoobsinMI]

but they must have very good reasons to hold the boy and to have him undergoing evaluations.

He's being evaluated because there is an issue with the law - can he be held accountable (tried) because of his age. The defense has already requested, in chambers, that they talk about releasing this child, prior to any trial. The question at this time, is if he's competent, due to his age.

 

[SoobsinMI]

I agree. I think it is highly unfair to say someone else is responsible or infer they are involved, when we have absolutely nothing to base it on.

Don't read the Caylee Anthony thread. LOL They throw stuff out as fact all the time (much to my chagrin.)

the DA wouldn't arrest him if they didn't think they had the evidence to prove their case. imoo

I have to disagree with you, here. There have been many cases where the DA charged someone, and didn't have the evidence to back it up. Duke Lacrosse Hoax, for one. Having said that, normally, I believe the police and DA do what they believe is fair and right.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, hopefully, there may be others who would like to discuss other theories/possibilities that are worthy of this case. I am not fixed. I believe in looking at it *all* before rushing to judgment. Especially since this case is still very open. I respect that both of you feel differently, but I would hope, until this is totally resolved, that others would like to discuss it further.

I wish you both well.

I do understand what you mean, OL and when murders happen here we do discuss all possibilities as to who the suspects could be before an arrest has been made. However this case is really not open, as you have said. This one has ended with an arrest and two charges of premeditated homicide and was done over a month ago.

Now it is very common when cases have not been solved yet or the murderer arrested to comment on whom the poster may think is guilty of the crimes. We saw that happen in the Jessica Lunsford case when many posters thought Mark or Archie Lunsford was the suspect that had killed Jessica and then it was well discussed here that Steve Greone was discussed as being the suspect when his ex wife, her boyfriend, his son Slade was murdered and his other two children, Shasta and Slade were missing at the time. But this was all before John Couey and Joesph Duncan were arrested.

Heck posters even continued to blame Daniel Horowitz for the murder of his wife, Pamela, even after Scott Dyleski was arrested and charged with her murder. (A crime in which SD was convicted and received LWOP)

If you want to discuss other suspects then of course that is your right and everyone's right here but for me, I am not going to speculate that another is possibly the suspect when there is nothing to support it.

LE/DA have the suspect in the case and he is arrested and charged.

But for me personally, I will wait on that evidence to unfold on this defendant before I leap to speculating about someone else, who has not been charged with anything and it has been over a month. Just my own opinion though.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Don't read the Caylee Anthony thread. LOL They throw stuff out as fact all the time (much to my chagrin.)



I have to disagree with you, here. There have been many cases where the DA charged someone, and didn't have the evidence to back it up. Duke Lacrosse Hoax, for one. Having said that, normally, I believe the police and DA do what they believe is fair and right.

I see no correlation in this case and the Duke LaCrosse case. NiFong was a fruit loop, imo.

When DAs know they do not have enough evidence to take it to trial, they will wait, hoping more information comes forth and then will ask for an indictment. Some DAs will take years when it comes to murder cases as there is no time limitation on murder.

I do think they are very convinced they have the evidence to bring this to trial. Imo, they already have loads of circumstantial evidence and they will bolster their case once the forensics returns.

imoo

 

[Bobbisangel]

Don't read the Caylee Anthony thread. LOL They throw stuff out as fact all the time (much to my chagrin.)



I have to disagree with you, here. There have been many cases where the DA charged someone, and didn't have the evidence to back it up. Duke Lacrosse Hoax, for one. Having said that, normally, I believe the police and DA do what they believe is fair and right.

I don't think that even LE want this young boy to be guilty of two murders. That just wouldn't make sense. Look at all of the problems the Pros is having with the case already due to his age. I can't think of anyone who wants this boy to be guilty. It seems to me that they must have something that points right at this little boy aside from the confession. I have no doubt that all family members, neighbors, friends, co-workers, and people at the bars have been questioned and their alibis checked out by now.

I know that adults have been charged with crimes that they didn't commit but I don't think that LE focused only on this young boy and are determined to GET HIM.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm confused. I was speaking of the interrogation. That wasn't the defense's work product, that was the police. And it was released by the court (albeit unintentionally, if we look back at the December 4th (?) court record.

LOL I am sorry. It is easy to get confused. We were talking about two different things. I had commented about why Brewer is wanting to keep the eval secretive when he has used the media to his advantage like when he dumped his 100 page interview of the two officers.

Yes, the confession interrogation was released by the court. This I believe was normal procedure until the Judge put a gag order in place and made sure only transcripts were available after then.

imoo

 

[southcitymom]

I do understand what you mean, OL and when murders happen here we do discuss all possibilities as to who the suspects could be before an arrest has been made. However this case is really not open, as you have said. This one has ended with an arrest and two charges of premeditated homicide and was done over a month ago.

Now it is very common when cases have not been solved yet or the murderer arrested to comment on whom the poster may think is guilty of the crimes. We saw that happen in the Jessica Lunsford case when many posters thought Mark or Archie Lunsford was the suspect that had killed Jessica and then it was well discussed here that Steve Greone was discussed as being the suspect when his ex wife, her boyfriend, his son Slade was murdered and his other two children, Shasta and Slade were missing at the time. But this was all before John Couey and Joesph Duncan were arrested.

Heck posters even continued to blame Daniel Horowitz for the murder of his wife, Pamela, even after Scott Dyleski was arrested and charged with her murder. (A crime in which SD was convicted and received LWOP)

If you want to discuss other suspects then of course that is your right and everyone's right here but for me, I am not going to speculate that another is possibly the suspect when there is nothing to support it.

LE/DA have the suspect in the case and he is arrested and charged.

But for me personally, I will wait on that evidence to unfold on this defendant before I leap to speculating about someone else, who has not been charged with anything and it has been over a month. Just my own opinion though.

imoo

Well-stated, OBE - this is the way I feel too. I've seen no reasonable facts that would lead me to believe the wrong person has been arrested.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think that even LE want this young boy to be guilty of two murders. That just wouldn't make sense. Look at all of the problems the Pros is having with the case already due to his age. I can't think of anyone who wants this boy to be guilty. It seems to me that they must have something that points right at this little boy aside from the confession. I have no doubt that all family members, neighbors, friends, co-workers, and people at the bars have been questioned and their alibis checked out by now.

I know that adults have been charged with crimes that they didn't commit but I don't think that LE focused only on this young boy and are determined to GET HIM.

I believe that also, Bobbi

If the DA had a suspect or suspects who were adults they would go full force with the Death Penalty. I am sure they would rather have an adult charged with these crimes any day than a young juvenile. But they must go where the evidence leads them, no matter the age of the suspect and it has put them between a rock and a hard place the entire time.

imo

 

[twinkiesmom]

Well-stated, OBE - this is the way I feel too. I've seen no reasonable facts that would lead me to believe the wrong person has been arrested.

We won't know if the right person was arrested until the ballistics come back (with the height of the shooter determined) in January.

 

[believe09]

IMO - it's ridiculous NOT to discuss other possibilities. What little we do know leaves plenty of room for doubt and other possible scenarios. We have an 8-year-old child who was basically coerced into confessing to a double murder - with no obvious motive. We have a wife who was being cheated on and another wife who we know was in a fight with her husband the day he was killed. And...we know that these men had a beef with some of their co-workers. And we have a suspicious car in the area near the time of the murders. How is it not "fair" to discuss other possibilities? That's what we do here.

Right there it seems more likely that the women set it up and had the "fall child" available to take the blame....jmo from 30K foot level on the case. They may have figured that there was no way he would be charged. Surprise.

going back to lurking now...

 

[OrdinaryLife]

We won't know if the right person was arrested until the ballistics come back (with the height of the shooter determined) in January.

Exactly. As someone mentioned here (I think it was Fran), not all the guns were taken from the crime scene that day. There was more than just one .22 inn that home. I am also anxious to hear what ballistic results are. Also, there was a discussion concerning the bullet hole found in the screen door.

I cannot let go of the small white car that this child told LE about. He was clear in his description especially concerning the lack of rims on tires. That is not something someone makes up unless it was definitely seen. There is something more to this case. I really question the way it was handled from the very beginning. I believe vital evidence was missed and that LE thought they had a slam dunk. I don't think they do.

IMVHO

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Right there it seems more likely that the women set it up and had the "fall child" available to take the blame....jmo from 30K foot level on the case. They may have figured that there was no way he would be charged. Surprise.

going back to lurking now...

This is something that I have thought of and have discussed with a friend also sharing their thoughts about this case. Literally the same discussion we have had.