AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

[dgfred]

IMO you have no idea what you are talking about.

A diagnosis with ALL the information might be possible, but not with the bits and pieces that have been released so far. Planning and an alibi are the easy parts... the physicality of the event is what is highly unlikely.

 

[Linda7NJ]

IMO you have no idea what you are talking about.

A diagnosis with ALL the information might be possible, but not with the bits and pieces that have been released so far. Planning and an alibi are the easy parts... the physicality of the event is what is highly unlikely.

You're are as entitled to your opinion, as I am mine.

 

[dgfred]

Right-O, this time.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Right-O, this time.

You mean, to date

 

[Bobbisangel]

I would make sure of their credentials first of all.

So you think he should be accused of double murder, then released to his mother for a long period of time, then put back into permanent detention/therapy 'to help him recover'? It seems the judge thought with his mom was the best place to be, nothing has really changed since then.

I think it would be a good idea if you got a special foster license and took all of the training and took this boy in to raise. I'm not being smart I'm dead serious.
This boy needs someone who can spend lots of time with him and who knows just what to do to help him. How about it?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think it would be a good idea if you got a special foster license and took all of the training and took this boy in to raise. I'm not being smart I'm dead serious.
This boy needs someone who can spend lots of time with him and who knows just what to do to help him. How about it?

I think it would never happen...he's too much of a liability risk for a homeowner.

 

[mostlylurking]

I've tried to make myself not post, as I'm afraid I'm just going to go ballistic on this.
First, no, I don't have links. Take it as opion.

I believe the following will be proven.
Mom had written permission to take child with her to NM. Record of permission was not provided from one dept to another in the town legal system.
School was not in progress the days of the trip, thus the permission.
Grandmother's inquiry on gun has been misinterpreted & she will be asked to testify on that.
Dugout issue does not have a formal complaint made by anyone, other than the mention by Whiting. Who complained? What was real issue? (as an aside, I was at little league in my town tonight & a large number of kids and parents go in and out of the dugouts regularly)
Can't speak to the friend of mom or his history. I hope that is wrong, or cleared up.
Child is eligible for SSI, hasn't been approved yet.
Mom is taking child to all the counseling as required. She get's reimbursed after the fact by state, so travel to get there is difficult on costs up front.

Don't remember the other issues.

Again, my opinion, and no links.

Now there is a link on several of the points:
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/doc...E TO STATES REQ TO TERM FURLOUGH 06152009.pdf

 

[fran]

Now there is a link on several of the points:
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/doc...E TO STATES REQ TO TERM FURLOUGH 06152009.pdf

Thanks for the link mostlylurking!

A few days ago I tried to say there were two sides to every story. Although the child's court-appointed attorney's response was a bit ambiguous, I believe Eryn's attorney makes her response perfectly clear.

It's a shame so many didn't wait for answers before railing their internet fodder and contempt against this woman and child. I would hope this might make one stop and think, 'if you're wrong about this, what IF you're wrong about the possible guilt of this child?'

Imagine this were your loved one and he was falsly accused but found himself in a position such as this boy? Or even IF he were guilty, imagine your loved one was trying to do the best they could, but there's eyes lurking at every corner, gossiping, creating imaginary infractions, doing whatever they could to attempt to make you FAIL?

One side of the story. Just imagine?

JMHO
fran

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks for the link mostlylurking!

A few days ago I tried to say there were two sides to every story. Although the child's court-appointed attorney's response was a bit ambiguous, I believe Eryn's attorney makes her response perfectly clear.

It's a shame so many didn't wait for answers before railing their internet fodder and contempt against this woman and child. I would hope this might make one stop and think, 'if you're wrong about this, what IF you're wrong about the possible guilt of this child?'

Imagine this were your loved one and he was falsly accused but found himself in a position such as this boy? Or even IF he were guilty, imagine your loved one was trying to do the best they could, but there's eyes lurking at every corner, gossiping, creating imaginary infractions, doing whatever they could to attempt to make you FAIL?

One side of the story. Just imagine?

JMHO
fran

I can imagine.

Are you not clinging to one side of the story?

I know I am....the side that has two dead men and the boy as their killer. Any and all of my opinions reflect that.

So what if I am wrong?

This message board isn't about posting only what is known as fact. It's all about opinions and trying to ferret out the truth. IMO

 

[Fairy1]

Now there is a link on several of the points:
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/doc...E TO STATES REQ TO TERM FURLOUGH 06152009.pdf

Well thank you very much, mostlylurking. This tells me that what brought on the allegations is nothing more than good, old-fashioned, hysteria.

 

[Fairy1]

Thanks for the link mostlylurking!

A few days ago I tried to say there were two sides to every story. Although the child's court-appointed attorney's response was a bit ambiguous, I believe Eryn's attorney makes her response perfectly clear.

It's a shame so many didn't wait for answers before railing their internet fodder and contempt against this woman and child. I would hope this might make one stop and think, 'if you're wrong about this, what IF you're wrong about the possible guilt of this child?'

Imagine this were your loved one and he was falsly accused but found himself in a position such as this boy? Or even IF he were guilty, imagine your loved one was trying to do the best they could, but there's eyes lurking at every corner, gossiping, creating imaginary infractions, doing whatever they could to attempt to make you FAIL?

One side of the story. Just imagine?

JMHO
fran

Thank you, fran, but IMO, it will never matter how many hateful rumors and unfounded allegations are brought against Eryn and CR and completely dispelled. There are those who have appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner against both and will never pass up an opportunity to join the witch hunt that appears to be in full-swing in St. John, AZ.

 

[Fairy1]

I think it would be a good idea if you got a special foster license and took all of the training and took this boy in to raise. I'm not being smart I'm dead serious.
This boy needs someone who can spend lots of time with him and who knows just what to do to help him. How about it?

His mother is spending lots of time with him and it has yet to be determined what level of "help" he requires and for what condition - if any.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In my opinion he didn't seem pleased at all, instead he seemed like the plea was their only 'real' choice... but still not what was wanted. He also said there was evidence that would probably exonerate the boy, but the evidence would probably be sealed forever and would never be seen. Of course he has been mum.

When did he say that? The only thing I remember him saying was he wished the boy could be exonerated. That is a wish, not evidence. I am sure many attorneys have wished the same yet the evidence said differently.

And that makes absolutely no sense anyway, dgfred. The boys attorneys has all the evidence in hand. He could have refused the plea and gone to trial with this "evidence" or to the Governor's office pronto.

If there was one smidgen of exonerating evidence in there he would have never recommended to his client to plea the case knowing the admission of guilt is going to stick with him the rest of his life.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thank you, fran, but IMO, it will never matter how many hateful rumors and unfounded allegations are brought against Eryn and CR and completely dispelled. There are those who have appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner against both and will never pass up an opportunity to join the witch hunt that appears to be in full-swing in St. John, AZ.

I see you don't like someone who you think is Judge, Jury and Executioner. I cant say that I do either and this kid is exactly that type of person but it isn't on a message board but REAL human life lost X 2.

I don't think everything is dispelled unless the hearing is already over and I believe it is to be held tomorrow at 2:30.

While somethings may be refuted until the hearing is held we have no clue if all of them will be.

imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thank you, fran, but IMO, it will never matter how many hateful rumors and unfounded allegations are brought against Eryn and CR and completely dispelled. There are those who have appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner against both and will never pass up an opportunity to join the witch hunt that appears to be in full-swing in St. John, AZ.

I am offended by your post.

I simply have reached a different opinion than you have. Words like "hateful", "executioner" and "witch hunt" are inflammatory.

I do not insult you or your opinions.

I would appreciate it, if you could extend the same consideration that you were afforded.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

I can imagine.

Are you not clinging to one side of the story?

I know I am....the side that has two dead men and the boy as their killer. Any and all of my opinions reflect that.

So what if I am wrong?

This message board isn't about posting only what is known as fact. It's all about opinions and trying to ferret out the truth. IMO

I agree. This message board is about sharing opinions and trying to find the truth. However, it is not about fodder and gossip. Discussion is *always* a great thing. Bringing in outside "chewing the fat" and trying to base it as truth is not what any of us do here. Well, I don't. If one poster, or several for that matter, have an opinion towards a case that has merit, it is not clinging to one side. No more than another's that may be opposite of said opinion. It's just nice, imvho, not to read nasties against a family member where there is absolutely no fact or basis for it save for gossip that tends to creep it's way to other places. Like here.

imvho

 

[Fairy1]

I am offended by your post.

I simply have reached a different opinion than you have. Words like "hateful", "executioner" and "witch hunt" are inflammatory.

I do not insult you or your opinions.

I would appreciate it, if you could extend the same consideration that you were afforded.

I wasn't actually referring to you, but it's interesting that you took my post that way.

And just for the record, I am also entitled to my own opionions and the consideration of other posters. I find the majority of your posts offensive, particularly when they're directed specifically at me, which they very often are.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree. This message board is about sharing opinions and trying to find the truth. However, it is not about fodder and gossip. Discussion is *always* a great thing. Bringing in outside "chewing the fat" and trying to base it as truth is not what any of us do here. Well, I don't. If one poster, or several for that matter, have an opinion towards a case that has merit, it is not clinging to one side. No more than another's that may be opposite of said opinion. It's just nice, imvho, not to read nasties against a family member where there is absolutely no fact or basis for it save for gossip that tends to creep it's way to other places. Like here.

imvho

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaking for myself only ...everything I've posted and have used to form my opinions, in this case, as well as every other case I've ever posted a comment on...has come directly from court filings interpreted through my own life experience.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks for the link mostlylurking!

A few days ago I tried to say there were two sides to every story. Although the child's court-appointed attorney's response was a bit ambiguous, I believe Eryn's attorney makes her response perfectly clear.

It's a shame so many didn't wait for answers before railing their internet fodder and contempt against this woman and child. I would hope this might make one stop and think, 'if you're wrong about this, what IF you're wrong about the possible guilt of this child?'

Imagine this were your loved one and he was falsly accused but found himself in a position such as this boy? Or even IF he were guilty, imagine your loved one was trying to do the best they could, but there's eyes lurking at every corner, gossiping, creating imaginary infractions, doing whatever they could to attempt to make you FAIL?

One side of the story. Just imagine?

JMHO
fran

Why would this case be any different?:waitasec:

We always have an opinion when any new information or legal documents first comes in.

Sorry, I cant imagine this kid even being in my family or even someone I know. I have never personally known anyone that killed someone let alone did so at this age.

I think both sides of the story are when the hearing is held.

Whiting had to have already read the attorney responses and he still is going forward tomorrow. So we will see how it goes. I imagine he will have his own witnesses concerning some of the issues listed in the motion.

To me the biggest issue is he hanging around another felon? Not living with him but going over to his house. Maybe Judge Roca will ask the kid when was the last time he saw the felon.

imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I wasn't actually referring to you, but it's interesting that you took my post that way.

And just for the record, I am also entitled to my own opionions and the consideration of other posters. I find the majority of your posts offensive, particularly when they're directed specifically at me, which they very often are.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about either! Geeeez ....but I am going back right now to read my previous responses to your posts.