AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

[chemcopout]

if he's a sociopath, they can't cure him, so i don't know why theyd seek treatment.
if he just has mental illness (not sociopathy sorry not conduct disorder) they can treat mental illness with medicina and therapy.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What I found most interesting in the articles is he seems to have a behavioral disorder.

So I wonder which one he has.

Child Behavior Disorders

Also called: Conduct disorders
All kids misbehave some times, but behavior disorders go beyond mischief and rebellion. With behavior disorders, your child or teen has a pattern of hostile, aggressive or disruptive behaviors for more than 6 months.

It is obvious to me that this boy needs treatment in a residential treatment facility.

But can those who have conduct disorders which can even include schizophrenia be cured?

imo

 

[dgfred]

Imo, this boy must have serious behavioral issues!

Placement delays 9-year-old's homicide sentencing

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2010102057_apuschildcharged.html#

Whiting and Wood both said the boy may end up being sent to an out-of-state treatment center for treatment.

"Honestly, we're just trying to do the best we can for this kid," Whiting said. "It may never work - he may end up in prison for the rest of his life for other crimes - but we've got to try."

What??? How did you come to that conclusion from them trying to delay (some more!!!) after a new GAL is named? :waitasec:
What happened to a speedy trial or conclusion for this boy? Of course he has emotional/mental problems with seeing his father and friend dead... but not behavioral issues! Maybe staying out of trouble (with his mom for goodness sake) for almost 2yrs while being in limbo due mostly to backroom dealings by the prosecution shows that behavioral issues are NOT the problem... the state's handling of the case IS imo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

if he's a sociopath, they can't cure him, so i don't know why theyd seek treatment.
if he just has mental illness (not sociopathy sorry not conduct disorder) they can treat mental illness with medicine and therapy.

Thank you. I think the problem they may be having is the plea deal did included treatment and this was before the psychiatrists evaluated him and gave their prognosis. So now their hands are tied and they have to see that part of the plea is in place even if he is not treatable or curable.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What??? How did you come to that conclusion from them trying to delay (some more!!!) after a new GAL is named? :waitasec:
What happened to a speedy trial or conclusion for this boy? Of course he has emotional/mental problems with seeing his father and friend dead... but not behavioral issues! Maybe staying out of trouble (with his mom for goodness sake) for almost 2yrs while being in limbo due mostly to backroom dealings by the prosecution shows that behavioral issues are NOT the problem... the state's handling of the case IS imo.

"Even the county mental health consortium in the region refused to take on the case, calling it a behavioral issue and not a mental health issue, Whiting said."

 

[dgfred]

There shouldn't even be a plea deal, the boy was 8. They cannot treat the boy, they didn't have a winnable case (after they botched it imo). The boy's rights have been trambled regardless of whether guilty or not and he has been left in limbo for almost 2 years.

Funny no comments from any of the guilty child killer group here about the StJohns man who killed at least 3 people (possibly more) and planned to kill some others with a .22 rifle. Not even a raised eyebrow?

 

[dgfred]

Nobody believes a word Whiting says... he has flirted with the truth on several occasions imo.

 

[Linda7NJ]

What I found most interesting in the articles is he seems to have a behavioral disorder.

So I wonder which one he has.

Child Behavior Disorders

Also called: Conduct disorders
All kids misbehave some times, but behavior disorders go beyond mischief and rebellion. With behavior disorders, your child or teen has a pattern of hostile, aggressive or disruptive behaviors for more than 6 months.

It is obvious to me that this boy needs treatment in a residential treatment facility.

But can those who have conduct disorders which can even include schizophrenia be cured?

imo

IMO He would be dx's Conduct Disorder ( severe ) it's the junior version of sociopath. He's not old enough to be labeled a sociopath. Doesn't mean he isn't

IMO No he can't be cured. But it's not politically correct for professionals to publically admit that and ethically they need to try. I think the kid is a psychopath....not "budding" either.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There shouldn't even be a plea deal, the boy was 8. They cannot treat the boy, they didn't have a winnable case (after they botched it imo). The boy's rights have been trambled regardless of whether guilty or not and he has been left in limbo for almost 2 years.

Funny no comments from any of the guilty child killer group here about the StJohns man who killed at least 3 people (possibly more) and planned to kill some others with a .22 rifle. Not even a raised eyebrow?

a CHILD's .22????

 

[dgfred]

a CHILD's .22????

Are you quite sure a CHILD's .22 was the only rifle used in this case??? I didn't think so.

 

[chemcopout]

"Even the county mental health consortium in the region refused to take on the case, calling it a behavioral issue and not a mental health issue, Whiting said."

them wording it a "behavioral issue" and not a "mental health" one makes it sound like they are implying conduct disorder.
my sister had conduct disorder and now is a sociopath and our family has tried everything for her, from tests to institution, nothing has worked. its unfortunate as she is her own worst enemy and will do anything, i mean anything to have her way. they can't cure sociopathy.

 

[dgfred]

IMO He would be dx's Conduct Disorder ( severe ) it's the junior version of sociopath. He's not old enough to be labeled a sociopath. Doesn't mean he isn't

IMO No he can't be cured. But it's not politically correct for professionals to publically admit that and ethically they need to try. I think the kid is a psychopath....not "budding" either.

Maybe they should have saved all that money spent on evaluations and just gave you a call... IMO, then they would have some available for treatments.

 

[Openmind]

"Even the county mental health consortium in the region refused to take on the case, calling it a behavioral issue and not a mental health issue, Whiting said."

Interesting information.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/behavior-problems-in-children.html

Children are treated, do recover, or learn to manage their behavior problems everyday. Fortunately, most of society do not determine so soon a life is beyond repair and discard them as broken.

Parents Report Estimated 2.7 Million Children with Emotional and Behavioral Problems
A special feature in the report, America's Children: Key National Indicators of Well-Being 2005shows that nearly 5 percent—or an estimated 2.7 million children—are reported by their parents to suffer from definite or severe emotional or behavioral difficulties, problems that may interfere with their family life, their ability to learn, and their formation of friendships. These difficulties may persist throughout a child's development and lead to lifelong disability, including more serious illness, more difficult to treat illness, and co-occurring mental illnesses

http://www.4therapy.com/consumer/li...ildren+with+Emotional+and+Behavioral+Problems

More:

http://childparenting.about.com/cs/disorders/a/behaviordisorde.htm

http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/publications/allpubs/CA-0006/default.asp

Interesting fact:

Don't Use Violence
Aggressive behavior increases in children after they witness violence at home, school, or in the media. Spanking is especially harmful to children with psychological disorders. Unfortunately, these are the children who are most likely to trigger physical abuse from a stressed-out parent. My recommendation is that you do not allow your child to view violent programming or play violent games - hard in today's world, isn't it? But, if you start now it will be easier.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Are you quite sure a CHILD's .22 was the only rifle used in this case??? I didn't think so.

Yes, I think so. BOTH shrinks believe he needs intensive residential treatment.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Maybe they should have saved all that money spent on evaluations and just gave you a call... IMO, then they would have some available for treatments.

Certainly would have been much cheaper huh?

 

[dgfred]

Needs treatment.... no duh. Point is they have no money for that, so what then? Lable him with behavioral problems and put in jail/detention? Since they have no case, forced him into a plea deal (by an 8 yr old), stalling tactics and
blatant mistreatment of the boy and his rights... what else are they going to say?

 

[dgfred]

Certainly would have been much cheaper huh?

Oh yeah... and the case would be about the same place with nothing done.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The boy's mother has filed her own response:

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docs/

 

[dgfred]

Thanks for the link. Fighting the stalling tactics it seems. Good for her.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks for the link. Fighting the stalling tactics it seems. Good for her.

Wonder how she is paying for that lawyer?

The boy's defense attorney stipulated to the states motion.

I have to wonder, if his mother really has his best interest in mind or if she even comprehends the magnitude of her son's issues.