Bad News or Overdramatization?

[mollymalone]

I tend to think with these reports that there are Canadian women/girls or even small children there. Imagine, sending a young child or even a baby from one country to another without one of its parents, to be raised by someone else that quite likely the parents don't know, realizing that child will face an early marriage or even possible abuse and there won't be anything the parents can do or say about it. Disgusting.

Edited to add: I think that we're not hearing more about this because there's been a lack of more definite information being released.

 

[mysteriew]

But the number of young mothers the state used as the basis of its raid on the ranch continues to shrink.
Judge Jay Weatherby heard two cases Tuesday that involve mothers who are disputed minors. He declared Natalia Jessop, 18, an adult. The judge postponed a decision on Mildred Jessop, whom the state also now says is an adult, until Thursday when hearings are scheduled for her children.

The state has now acknowledged in various court hearings that six of 26 disputed minors are adults. Hearings this afternoon may change the status of more women in that group.
http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_9322072

 

[mollymalone]

The UN Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women has declared polygamy a human rights violation.

 

[mysteriew]

A lawyer for a 14-year-old FLDS girl argues her client - listed by the state of Texas as an underage mother - is not pregnant and does not have children.
Attorney Andrea Sloan with the Texas Advocacy Project said the girl has taken a pregnancy test to confirm she is not pregnant.
Texas child welfare officials originally claimed 31 girls from the YFZ Ranch between the ages 14 to 17 were either pregnant, have children or both.
So far, however, they have acknowledged that 11 girls are actually adults. At least six more are likely to get that designation today, when status hearings resume at the Tom Green County Courthouse.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9343001

If they don't start filing criminal charges soon, this is going to fall apart. They are losing impetus, losting public opinion. Filing the polygamy, incest and abuse charges would help a lot to pick it up.

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

If you are 18 and have a child or two, it is still pretty easy to track that back to before you are conception which may have been before you were 18 (simple math). The girls being 18 does not mean they were not abused. It simply means they are adults so they are not held by CPS. It does not make the crimes go away.

 

[mysteriew]

If you are 18 and have a child or two, it is still pretty easy to track that back to before you are conception which may have been before you were 18 (simple math). The girls being 18 does not mean they were not abused. It simply means they are adults so they are not held by CPS. It does not make the crimes go away.

But they also have to prove where the girls were when they conceived. If they were outside of Texas when they conceived, then Texas doesn't have jurisdiction. Also, the age of consent in some states, for instance in Utah is very low. So were they over the age of consent in the state where they conceived? Were they married in another state with a lower marriage age?

 

[mollymalone]

But they also have to prove where the girls were when they conceived. If they were outside of Texas when they conceived, then Texas doesn't have jurisdiction. Also, the age of consent in some states, for instance in Utah is very low. So were they over the age of consent in the state where they conceived? Were they married in another state with a lower marriage age?

If they were at the YFZ ranch from its beginnings, and that's been how many years? It is likely that a good many of them conceived in Texas.

As far as criminal charges, the report that one of the women, Barbara Jessop was reluctant to even acknowledge the family plan because of charges, imo, means that there are some charges pending or likely against others.

 

[Trino]

It's horrible what's happened at Eldorado, but, honestly, how many girls on the outside conceive when they're underage w/o anyone being prosecuted?

 

[believe09]

So if the girls were under 16 when they conceived, the fathers of the children could be charged with stat rape, right? So now the state has to determine which of the men fathered which children by compelling the men to be swabbed for DNA...but first they have to figure out who actually conceived a child prior to age 16, and of the 31 females they focused on, 18 were adults or of the age of consent....:waitasec:

 

[mysteriew]

You know I am still having a problem with the alleged mothers being allowed to stay with their children. FLDS keeps whining about how they are being persecuted, but I am seeing favoritism in their treatment.

If CPS removes any other child because of suspected abuse or neglect in the household those children will be removed: even if they are nursing, even if they are newborns. Yet the FLDS mothers are still being allowed to remain with their children in custody. I say that isn't fair to the majority and is showing favoritism to the FLDS.

 

[mykodiak]

The FLDS is counting on that "persecution due to religion" phrase to win them more favors than would normally be granted. They have the history of it working in Utah and Arizona to back them on this one. If Texas authorities could have the chance to breathe for a second, they would throw some brakes on this. Once again the FLDS PR machine is working at full blast.

 

[FlowerChild]

It's horrible what's happened at Eldorado, but, honestly, how many girls on the outside conceive when they're underage w/o anyone being prosecuted?

The word you have to remember in other cases is free will - as it relates to CONSENT!
It also matters how old the man/boy who fathered the child is.
And did the girl have access to birth control? Was the INTENT for her to get pregnant?

Yes, young girls DO have sex and get pregnant. BUT even if they are below the legal age of consent one has to consider whether the girl did give her consent (freely) or was she FORCED to "marry" a man who was over 18 by her parents and her church. And did the girl have access to birth control - was she denied any education about sex or pregnancy, cut off from health care or even access to condoms and FORCED to have sex with the sole purpose of getting pregnant as soon as possible?

An ordinary 14 year old girl who is having sex and gets pregnant is usually engaging in sex because she WANTS TO, with a boy (or man) she chose. And I doubt that her MOTHER and FATHER handed her off in a "spiritual marriage" to a stranger at least 4 or 5 years older than her who very likely is at least a cousin (and might even be as close as a 1st cousin). I doubt most mothers want their 14 year old child to be having SEX and they certainly aren't going to APPROVE or CONDONE the sex OR be a party to handing their 14 year old daughter off to a man for the sole purpose of having sex and getting pregnant as soon as possible. These girls are handed OVER WILLINGLY BY THEIR PARENTS/GUARDIANS at ages of 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17- it's celebrated and their subsequent underage pregnancies are celebrated and their husband getting an additional wife every few years is also celebrated. And on the whim of their leader they might be "re-assigned" to another husband they don't even know before they have reached the age of 18. They are treated like cattle - something owned and controlled 100% - and with the blessing of everyone in their lives there they are married with a baby before they are old enough to get a driver's license.

And THAT is NOT the norm for a 14 year old girl who is pregnant out here in the "infidel" world.

My Opinion

 

[Moe]

Great post Flower, it truely is all about choice. The sad part is none of these girls understand the real world.