GUILTY Bali - Bali Nine, Australians arrested for heroin trafficking, 2005

[wewillgetyou]

I agree. Unfortunately, we're late to the party as usual. The public got a wake up call when the other inmates were executed in January. It's been quite a few years since the last execution by firing squad, so must have been a lot of payoffs over those years.

This will just drive the price up for the drug, imo. Higher risk for the drug syndicate and smugglers, trickles down to the drug abuser, who needs to find the money, crime escalates and corruption at the top. This is all about money. Killing Sukumaran and Chan won't make a bean of difference to the drug availability on the streets, just the price.

JMO

Exactly !!!!

 

[Brightbird]

I think Julie Bishop is genuine and I'm not a fan of hers. Yes it is a pity the previous governments weren't trying harder. Same might be said about the lawyers. Why wasn't the bribing allegation brought up earlier? And it's a pity the public didn't start signing petitions and threatening to boycott bali earlier. I guess I assumed they would get clemency, like Corby and the other Bali 9 members. If the legal system was actually adhered to, then I might be more philosophical about these two. But it's incomprehensible that they can execute people with outstanding appeals. Isn't the Brazillian paranoid schizophrenic and their law says not to execute mentally ill people? Even their constitutional court recommends commuting to life if prisoners rehabilitate. It's because of these dodgy legal aspects I think the government should take a stand after the executions. But what's appropriate I just don't know. Withdrawing an ambassador is just a token effort. Like SA says, probably the best thing is if the Aus public takes a stand. There is an Australian in Vietnam awaiting the DP for drug trafficking. It will be hypocritical of us all if we wait until the 11th hour for him too.

 

[SouthAussie]

I agree. Unfortunately, we're late to the party as usual. The public got a wake up call when the other inmates were executed in January. It's been quite a few years since the last execution by firing squad, so must have been a lot of payoffs over those years.

This will just drive the price up for the drug, imo. Higher risk for the drug syndicate and smugglers, trickles down to the drug abuser, who needs to find the money, crime escalates and corruption at the top. This is all about money. Killing Sukumaran and Chan won't make a bean of difference to the drug availability on the streets, just the price.

JMO

It could be that we never thought it would come to this. Previous Pres Bambang was known for providing annual clemencies on Presidents Day, and not carrying out executions against Aussies (or many people at all). Remember, these are the very first planned executions of our people in Indonesia. There is no precedent for how to handle it. We are groping our way along.

I think, too, that all of us would have been quite happy for Andrew and Myuran to carry out life sentences without parole. It is the death thing that is polarising us.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Australia will lodge official complaint over photo of Indonesian police smiling with Andrew Chan

The Australian government will make an official complaint to Indonesia about the damning photos of police smiling with Bali Nine ringleader Andrew Chan during his transfer to Nusa Kambangan.
The Indonesian ambassador will be summoned to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade tomorrow to hear the complaint, which will also cover the use of excessive force to transfer Chan and fellow Bali Nine death row prisoner Myuran Sukumaran.


http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...ransfer-in-bali-nine-case#d6XCI2vxFKpQtUxm.99

 

[SouthAussie]

Ironically, Indonesia attended a global human rights summit at the UN yesterday where the death penalty was discussed.


"Indonesia called for countries that practice capital punishment to observe the full process of the law, and according to the summary, went on to state: "Indonesia had applied a moratorium on the death penalty, and could reintroduce it in the case of most serious crimes.

The Indonesian comments in Geneva on Wednesday came after the UN's top human rights official called for a global ban on the death penalty, warning the practice of killing prisoners too often targeted "foot soldiers" and not kingpins of the illegal drugs trade.

Australian diplomats were also at the Geneva meeting and also warned of extensive international research that disproved the death penalty had a deterrent effect on crime.

Mr Simonovic said about 160 countries have either abolished the death penalty or no longer apply the punishment ....... "

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bali-ni...torium-at-united-nations-20150305-13vuuc.html

 

[SouthAussie]

There is going to be an exhibition of Myuran's work at the Hard Rock Cafe in Bali on Saturday. Myuran was not aware that he wasn't going to be able to prepare for the exhibition.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bali-ni...orneygeneral-hm-prasetyo-20150305-13wdb2.html

 

[Snoods]

My heart is heavy...I don't know why, but I really thought something or someone would come through and save them.

I'm even pro-death penalty (insert Texas joke here) but I so strongly disagree with this. Indonesia makes a mockery out of the legal system.

 

[fruity]

Indonesia has said that the executions may not occur for 10 days but I don't believe them. At this point they're just deliberately sending out a 'screw you, we'll do what we want when we want' to us.

Those poor men. It must be torture.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/b...s-may-be-delayed/story-fnh81fz8-1227250197734

 

[fruity]

Also, their response to the prisoner swap idea was to laugh and say 'Australia can just execute the Indonesians in their gaol'.

It just shows how much respect they have for life. None.

 

[SouthAussie]

Australia will lodge official complaint over photo of Indonesian police smiling with Andrew Chan

The Australian government will make an official complaint to Indonesia about the damning photos of police smiling with Bali Nine ringleader Andrew Chan during his transfer to Nusa Kambangan.
The Indonesian ambassador will be summoned to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade tomorrow to hear the complaint, which will also cover the use of excessive force to transfer Chan and fellow Bali Nine death row prisoner Myuran Sukumaran.


http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...ransfer-in-bali-nine-case#d6XCI2vxFKpQtUxm.99

Good … the govt has now called the Indonesian ambassador and complained about the smiling pics of the chief of police with Myuran and Andrew looking worried and upset and completely crowded in by paramilitary police, and we have complained about the excessive show of force and lack of dignity shown to our two condemned, rehabilitated men.


“The federal government has called the Indonesian ambassador to complain about the "lack of dignity" shown to Bali nine pair Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran during their transfer from Bali to Nusakambangan island, where they will be executed.

Indonesian ambassador Bapak Nadjib Riphat Kesoema was telephoned by a senior official from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade on Thursday to deliver the complaint, because he was in Perth.

He will be called in to DFAT to receive the complaint in person upon his return to Canberra.

The embassy in Jakarta is also lodging a complaint with the Indonesian government."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...han-and-myuran-sukumaran-20150305-13wjac.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Go, Lisa!


'You are apologising for the Indonesian President': Today host Lisa Wilkinson slams minister for defending Bali Nine duo's dramatic transfer to 'Death Island' and that 'selfie moment' with police chief

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Death-Island-selfie-moment-police-chief.html

 

[SouthAussie]

FORMER foreign minister Bob Carr believes Australia should form a pact with other countries to tackle drug trafficking into Indonesia in exchange for the Bali Nine ringleaders on death row.

The government should do some “quick work” with countries like Brazil and France, who also have citizens on Indonesian death row, and present a package to help the nation’s drug problems, Mr Carr says.

The anti-drug policing pact would require commitment and funding and focus on stopping drugs getting into Indonesia’s region. “Our efforts should be directed at giving them reasons sufficient to justify to their people that they can grant clemency in this case,” Mr Carr told ABC radio on Friday.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/b...s-may-be-delayed/story-fnh81fz8-1227250197734

 

[they'll get you]

Any suggestions please?

My daughter is really distressed over the impending murder and I don't know what further to say.

Nothing I say helps.

I've tried to explain Indonesian laws, we've hugged, I've listened and we've cried together but I just can't find anymore words.
The last straw are the distressing pictures of Andrew and Myuran in the plane.

She's got an extremely caring heart and I know she is going to inconsolable if/when it happens & I need to be prepared.
She wants to do something to help, I found myself saying there's nothing that can be done.....

Keep an eye on your children because I'm concerned on how many other young ones who are following this horror are affected by it as well.

 

[they'll get you]

Bali Nine executions: last-ditch efforts to save Chan and Sukumaran

4.25pm: THE families of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran have been denied a visit to Besi prison on Nusakambangan island today.

Australian officials trying to negotiate special visits following the families arrival in Cilacap yesterday have been told the normal visiting schedule for the jail _ Mondays and Wednesdays _apply until the condemned prisoners are on 72 hours notice of execution.

That Chan and Sukumaran have not yet been given 72-hour notice of their executions confirms the Bali Nine pair will not be put to death by firing squad until at least early next week.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...an-and-sukumaran/story-fn59nm2j-1227250338598

 

[SouthAussie]

Any suggestions please?

My daughter is really distressed over the impending murder and I don't know what further to say.

Nothing I say helps.

I've tried to explain Indonesian laws, we've hugged, I've listened and we've cried together but I just can't find anymore words.
The last straw are the distressing pictures of Andrew and Myuran in the plane.

She's got an extremely caring heart and I know she is going to inconsolable if/when it happens & I need to be prepared.
She wants to do something to help, I found myself saying there's nothing that can be done.....

Keep an eye on your children because I'm concerned on how many other young ones who are following this horror are affected by it as well.

I am so sorry to hear that TGY. My daughter and I both feel the same way as your daughter. We were feeling heavy with sadness, and very upset by the images coming out of Bali. So we decided to channel our energy into emails to Julie Bishop (there is a place on her website to send a message), signing online petitions, and learning more about the movement to help all the Aussies facing the death penalty in SE Asia for drugs.

We also have been to a comedy show, and are going to another one tonight. Need a good laugh to help balance things out a bit and release some emotions.

Don’t know if that helps at all.


ETA: I don't want to give the impression that we condone what these stupid drug mules do, but we believe that life spent in a SE Asian prison is enough punishment for the crime. Especially when the kingpins are walking free, and vicious murderers and terrorists are not put to death in many of these countries.

 

[marlywings]

Any suggestions please?

My daughter is really distressed over the impending murder and I don't know what further to say.

Nothing I say helps.

I've tried to explain Indonesian laws, we've hugged, I've listened and we've cried together but I just can't find anymore words.
The last straw are the distressing pictures of Andrew and Myuran in the plane.

She's got an extremely caring heart and I know she is going to inconsolable if/when it happens & I need to be prepared.
She wants to do something to help, I found myself saying there's nothing that can be done.....

Keep an eye on your children because I'm concerned on how many other young ones who are following this horror are affected by it as well.

TGY....for a lot of folks, what you describe, is a very normal reaction. Just let your daughter know it is still a beautiful world despite the cruelty that happens.

‘IDENTIFIABLE VICTIMS’

Psychotherapist Zoe Krupka said the fate of the Bali Nine has captured national attention as the duo are “identifiable victims” we can easily relate to.

“There’s actually a theory called identifiable victim syndrome … which is [the idea] one dead person is a tragedy and 700,000 is a statistic. We know about [Sukumaran and Chan] and their families, and we know about their stories. We identify with them and we think about them, they’re real to us and that makes it unbearable.”

Ms Krupka said the Bali case is also shocking in the apparent redemption of the pair hasn’t led to clemency.

“We have this idea if you make good, you transform, you should be forgiven and that’s not what’s happening … That’s part of what’s so upsetting.”

http://www.news.com.au/national/loo...ans-on-death-row/story-fncynjr2-1227250535480

 

[Brightbird]

Any suggestions please?

My daughter is really distressed over the impending murder and I don't know what further to say.

Nothing I say helps.

I've tried to explain Indonesian laws, we've hugged, I've listened and we've cried together but I just can't find anymore words.
The last straw are the distressing pictures of Andrew and Myuran in the plane.

She's got an extremely caring heart and I know she is going to inconsolable if/when it happens & I need to be prepared.
She wants to do something to help, I found myself saying there's nothing that can be done.....

Keep an eye on your children because I'm concerned on how many other young ones who are following this horror are affected by it as well.

I remember being very upset when the young man was executed in Singapore about 10 years ago. It is what is, and there's no amount of rationalizing it to make it more acceptable. The only form of comfort I can find is to think about the positive impact they've had on fellow prisoners. They're leaving a pretty good impression on this world (not in everyone's eyes I know) and that's all any of us can ask for. I mean I know that makes it almost worse to kill them, but I kind of look at like none of us know how long we'll live and they've used their time pretty well all things considered. I have to look at it philosophically like that. Maybe your daughter can contribute in some way to the foundation I think is being established in Myuran's name (?). I don't read every article because it gets too heavy. I'm hopeful something will change for them but I'm not optimistic.

 

[SouthAussie]

Ms Bishop revealed on Friday that she had put offers of money from "private donors" in Australia to fund drug rehabilitation work in Indonesia in return for the executions to be averted.

The government has also placed a number of drug initiatives and regional co-operation ideas on the table but has so far been rebuffed.

"I have already offered a substantial package. It has been elaborated upon by our ambassador-designate in Jakarta. All of this propsoals have been on the table for some time," she said.

Ms Bishop warned that relations between the two neighbours will be dented if the executions go ahead.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ali-duos-execution-delay-20150306-13xkag.html

 

[keyleigh]

My heart is heavy...I don't know why, but I really thought something or someone would come through and save them.

I'm even pro-death penalty (insert Texas joke here) but I so strongly disagree with this. Indonesia makes a mockery out of the legal system.

I feel exactly the same way. This is just so wrong. They clearly did the wrong and illegal thing but the rehabilitation they have obviously had in prison should prove to the Indonesian government that the DP in the case of drugs is not beneficial in any way.

Indonesia has said that the executions may not occur for 10 days but I don't believe them. At this point they're just deliberately sending out a 'screw you, we'll do what we want when we want' to us.

Those poor men. It must be torture.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/b...s-may-be-delayed/story-fnh81fz8-1227250197734

I'm so angry at their government. I've started reading 'Snowing in Bali' after SouthAussie(?) mentioned it and boy, are the police targeting the wrong people. Well, the police that aren't corrupt anyway. :jail:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Indonesian president open to abolishing death penalty

Indonesia's president revealed in an interview that he would abolish the death penalty if the country's citizens willed him to.

In an interview with Al Jazeera set to air today, President Joko Widodo said he did not consider nationality — nor the intervention of their governments — when weighing-up appeals for mercy.


http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/...lishing-the-death-penalty#AIQPkCGOdBtoBv7e.99