GUILTY Bali - Bali Nine, Australians arrested for heroin trafficking, 2005

[Mrs G Norris]

Why turn drug smugglers into heroes for our kids?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1430441115216

The other side of the debate seems to be finding its voice today.

 

[Alice Bernadette]

Why turn drug smugglers into heroes for our kids?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1430441115216

The other side of the debate seems to be finding its voice today.

I think some people are going overboard. I don't agree that Andrew and Myuran should be put on a pedestal. I just don't agree that they should have been executed and I feel that they did their time.

 

[SouthAussie]

It is believed the pair will be brought back to Australian soil on a Qantas flight leaving on Friday night, with an arrival time of 6.10am into Sydney on Saturday morning.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ndrew-Chan-Myuran-Sukumaran-touch-Sydney.html

 

[they'll get you]

A PLANE carrying the coffins of the bodies of executed Bali Nine duo Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan has landed in Sydney.
Sukumaran, 34, and Chan, 31, were executed in Indonesia on Wednesday, 10 years after their part in the Bali Nine heroin-smuggling plot.
Myuran Sukumaran’s grieving mother and sister have also arrived back on the same flight as the coffins.
The return of the bodies comes as it was revealed former Bali Nine lawyer Muhammad Rifan had reportedly been arrested in Indonesia over making false statements without giving evidence.
On Monday Mr Rifan went public with explosive allegations against the presiding judges, accusing them of asking for a 1 billion rupiah bribe for a sentence of less than 20 years for the convicted drug smugglers.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bal...return-to-sydney/story-fncynjr2-1227331252909

 

[they'll get you]

Fadli Zon, a senior official from Mr Prabowo's Gerindra party, said he delivered a letter to Mr Joko one to two weeks before the executions.

"Mr Prabowo and we in Gerindra hoped that at least there would be second thoughts. This is about someone's life," Mr Fadli told Fairfax Media.

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He said the prisoners had already served long sentences and the requests for clemency had come from friendly countries.

"The case would be different if they were not friendly countries," Mr Fadli, one of the deputy speakers in the House of Representatives, said.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/former-...one-bali-nine-executions-20150501-1my9rx.html

 

[SouthAussie]

A PLANE carrying the coffins of the bodies of executed Bali Nine duo Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan has landed in Sydney.
Sukumaran, 34, and Chan, 31, were executed in Indonesia on Wednesday, 10 years after their part in the Bali Nine heroin-smuggling plot.
Myuran Sukumaran’s grieving mother and sister have also arrived back on the same flight as the coffins.
The return of the bodies comes as it was revealed former Bali Nine lawyer Muhammad Rifan had reportedly been arrested in Indonesia over making false statements without giving evidence.
On Monday Mr Rifan went public with explosive allegations against the presiding judges, accusing them of asking for a 1 billion rupiah bribe for a sentence of less than 20 years for the convicted drug smugglers.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bal...return-to-sydney/story-fncynjr2-1227331252909

Oh boy, poor Mr Rifan. Looks like he is going to get in some big trouble for exposing the country's endemic bribery. Of course there is no evidence. None of the conversations are taped or written down.

Reminds me of the very recent Sheila von Wiese Mack case. Heather Mack murdered her mother in Bali, and the US judge kept releasing unnecessarily large sums of Sheila's money for Heather's Indonesian defence, because there was no 'evidence' of bribery.

So Heather got a paltry 10 years for planning the murder and then murdering her mother, using her mother's money for her Indonesian defence/bribes (and to fly her boyfriend to Bali to help her). Her boyfriend got 18 years for the same crime, because he had no large sums of money to access.

 

[they'll get you]

I think Australia should help him pronto because he was pulling out all stumps to help the Aussies. I hate to think what the penalty for this crime is. God only knows!

 

[fruity]

I think Australia should help him pronto because he was pulling out all stumps to help the Aussies. I hate to think what the penalty for this crime is. God only knows!

My guess? A trek to a field in the middle of the night, along with some cable ties, a hood, a few guns and a couple people with blanks so that they can convince themselves that THEY weren't the one who killed him.

 

[SouthAussie]

My guess? A trek to a field in the middle of the night, along with some cable ties, a hood, a few guns and a couple people with blanks so that they can convince themselves that THEY weren't the one who killed him.

Hopefully, he can access enough money to quietly pay his way out of trouble.

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh, it seems as if it was all a rumour ... or business has been taken care of already. :wink:

Former Bali nine lawyer Muhammad Rifan has denied reports he was arrested or is facing police questioning over explosive corruption allegations.

However at the opening of his new law offices in Bali on Saturday, Mr Rifan said none of this was true.
"Sky News already called and apologised for the report," Mr Rifan said. "It's not true. I am not expecting any summons or to be questioned."

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bali-ni...denies-reports-of-arrest-20150502-1mygux.html

 

[Sjm_qc]

It looks like Lindsay Sandiford is next.

A quick google of Rachel Dougall & Julian Ponder may be useful/enlightening .

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsay_Sandiford_case

 

[Mrs G Norris]

AFP news conference today, should be interesting .. I wonder if they will reveal the information they hinted at, but wouldn't discuss prior to execution.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

AFP News Conference starting right now ..

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Sympathy for the family, and regrets that Indonesia followed through with the executions, working behind the scenes to try and avoid it, understand public outrage, understand the role of AFP in 2005, vital australia understands and has confidence etc ..

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Investigating before tip-off
Not in position to arrest before they took off from Australia
Therefore asked Indonesia to help
No way AFP could have arrested before they left
No mention of the other 6 arrested in Australia after the 9 arrested
Why could they not return to Australia to follow ..
Describes sovereignty again to those who do not seem to grasp it, if you commit a crime in a foreign country you are subject to their laws.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

He hopes the message is that other young lives are saved by people thinking twice before trafficking drugs overseas. This is a great press conference, I look forward to the full transcript or video .. I'll add that link then.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Australian Federal Police breaks silence on its role in Bali Nine arrests

http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-federal-police-breaks-silence-on-its-role-in-bali-nine-arrests/story-fncynjr2-1227333665018

 

[they'll get you]

Earlier: Bishop told to ‘mind your own business’
A new report has revealed that tension between Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and her Indonesian counterpart were high in March, as the Abbott Government desperately sought clemency for Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

Sky News reported Ms Bishop asked Retno Marsudi what Indonesia would do to secure clemency for its citizens on death row in other countries and was told “it’s none of your business”.

I notice Julie Bishop is looking exhausted.

 

[Lulu14]

Oh boy, poor Mr Rifan. Looks like he is going to get in some big trouble for exposing the country's endemic bribery. Of course there is no evidence. None of the conversations are taped or written down.

Reminds me of the very recent Sheila von Wiese Mack case. Heather Mack murdered her mother in Bali, and the US judge kept releasing unnecessarily large sums of Sheila's money for Heather's Indonesian defence, because there was no 'evidence' of bribery.

So Heather got a paltry 10 years for planning the murder and then murdering her mother, using her mother's money for her Indonesian defence/bribes (and to fly her boyfriend to Bali to help her). Her boyfriend got 18 years for the same crime, because he had no large sums of money to access.

And OJ did no time for his murders. Money is important everywhere.

Do you not think the people executed were guilty?

 

[SouthAussie]

And OJ did no time for his murders. Money is important everywhere.

Do you not think the people executed were guilty?

Did you not read the previous page(s), Lulu? :waitasec:
Please see below.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I see this as a matter of two rehabilitated Australians being subject to the death penalty in a country where they claim that rehabilitation is the aim of their prisons. They gave Andrew and Myuran 10 years in which to grow, mature, and rehabilitate … then a new President comes in and kills them.

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This is not about the death penalty in general. This is about killing two rehabilitated men. Men who just as easily could have remained in their prisons for life, and continued to do good for all.