GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #1

[Paulette]

It appears to me, that Sheila went through terrible times.
Very hard times.
Yet, through everything, she tried to protect her daughter, Heather.

Knowing what Sheila suffered and endured through these last 15 years, makes me even more furious at her selfish, spoiled daughter.

In America, Heather would probably get off, for the bludgeoning of her Mother, and the subsequent, disrespectful, horrible way, she shoved her Mom's dead, naked body into a small suitcase.

Can you even imagine the shock of the people who opened this suitcase to find a naked , bloodied woman, with her body so contoured that her legs were wrapped around her head?
Then to realize that her own daughter did this?

I swear. I hope Heather has to eat rice, 3 times a day, for the rest of her sorry life.

Even in America she'd go down with 1st degree murder, IMO. The state would show that she had her boyfriend come to Bali specifically to help kill her mom. Just look at the timeline - they got on with the murder shortly after he arrived.

There's so much evidence that she's involved - doesn't matter if she ever talks.

 

[Curious Me]

The below timeline of events, from oakpark.com, says 'yes' to both of these ^^^ questions.
I was reading about asphyxiation from blood the other night, it would not have taken very long for Sheila to pass on, once her nose and upper jaws were crushed.

...............snipped from not-Quester's timeline ..............
Monday, Aug. 11
Tommy Schaefer, 21, arrives in Bali.
Hotel surveillance footage shows argument between von Wiese Mack and Schaefer over who should pay for Schaefer's $650/night hotel room.
Police say Sheila von Wiese Mack was bludgeoned in the face and killed in room 317 with a glass ash tray or vase.
Tuesday, Aug. 12
Heather Mack and Schaefer decline help from hotel staff as they load a large suitcase wrapped in a bed sheet into the back of a taxi in front of the St. Regis. .................snipped

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Article...ct-punched,-bit-mother,-according-to-police-/

(Not as good as Quester's timeline, but it answers these questions )

Snipped just the part I wanted to ask about. TS arrived late on August 11th, didn't he? I thought it was almost midnight, making it close to August 12th. If so, what I said about the murder happening 7-8 hrs. after he arrived would be in the ballpark. Do I have it correct?

 

[tristessa]

it's kind of disgusting that non-violent drug smugglers are in for DEATH or at least lifelong prison in Bali (Bali9) but brutal murderers can get only 15 years.....even Schapelle Corby who probably ended up with the drugs due to some accident (as who puts a big bag full of scented dried leaves in an unlocked body board bag, go through 2 airports and not expect for it to be found) nearly and could've got death just for some marijuana.

Maybe she's saying 'are you sure I'm the perpetrator?' because she knows TS's finger prints are all over the murder weapons and she somehow incited her bf to do this knowingly.....IDK if she could be that manipulative to have that reaction from him but someone probably put a pillow over sheila's face as there are pics of a pillow covered in blood too. And it seems strange since heather's the one with the history of domestic violence against her mother.
I wish they'd get on with it, I can't wait until more details come out.

 

[SouthAussie]

Snipped just the part I wanted to ask about. TS arrived late on August 11th, didn't he? I thought it was almost midnight, making it close to August 12th. If so, what I said about the murder happening 7-8 hrs. after he arrived would be in the ballpark. Do I have it correct?

That is how I'm reading it too, Curious Me.

That TS arrived, Sheila was very angry, they all argued, HM flipped out (or not) and attacked and killed her mum (that facial attack was very personal imo), TS did the clean up, and they tried to escape.

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[Curious Me]

The two aren't talking. A few more rice meals are needed.
Heather's waiting to be saved by the American attorney.
The American attorney is waiting for assurance there's money.
TS is waiting for his peeps that love his music and all his escort companions
to incite a riot against the pigs and break him out. :smile:

There'll be ready to talk and be begging for some KFC after awhile.

 

[SouthAussie]

They are still reporting that the attorney is on his way to Bali.

Interesting that none of Heather's extended family are headed to Bali to help and support her. :waitasec:

Updated about 2 hours ago:
An American woman whose body was found in a suitcase on the resort island of Bali and her daughter were seen arguing in the lobby of their hotel, police said on Friday, as a US attorney headed to Indonesia to advise the teen.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-...itcase-murder-say-mother-and-daughter/5690136

 

[Curious Me]

I know. I was thinking she must have called Uncle or someone in the family first before the attorney. I really think they could honor Sheila by not extending too much help to anyone who murdered her. It must be a difficult position to be in for all the family.

 

[Quester]

I wonder if SWM ever expressed fear for her personal safety to any of her friends or treating medical professionals???

During and after the 86 LE incident reports, the thoughts of SWM's personal safety must have regularly entered SWM's mind, as well as the mind's of SWM's neighbors, friends, responding LE, and treating medical professionals. JMO

Easy to say now but HM seemed like a predictable ticking time bomb. JMO

 

[marlywings]

Kerobokan prison...

The Bali prison cell Schapelle corby shares with six other women

http://www.news.com.au/world/corbys...-six-other-women/story-e6frfkyi-1225818633613

 

[Quester]

So ... when TS ultimately checked into the St. Regis, who provided credit card or agreed to pay for his room 616???

Is there even a room 616? 50 shy of a 666! :hills:

 

[Hiandmighty]

Why murder? HM seemed perfectly satisfied with beating down her mother, same dynamic each time. Why was this time different?

I wonder if heather started the job-- strangled her mother or something but Sheila wasn't dead. So tommy finished her off.

Seems to be SM wouldn't have said anything about the assault knowing they were in Indonesia. She would have just gathered all of their belongings and got back home.

So what happened that SM found herself dead?

 

[SouthAussie]

Why murder? HM seemed perfectly satisfied with beating down her mother, same dynamic each time. Why was this time different?

I wonder if heather started the job-- strangled her mother or something but Sheila wasn't dead. So tommy finished her off.

Seems to be SM wouldn't have said anything about the assault knowing they were in Indonesia. She would have just gathered all of their belongings and got back home.

So what happened that SM found herself dead?

I think the argument(s) at the St Regis were pretty terrible. Staff seemed shocked at the behaviour exhibited by all of them, Sheila included.

Maybe Sheila threatened to cut HM off permanently from any financial assistance .. or threatened to leave them in Bali to figure out how they were going to pay their hotel bill. It is possible that Sheila had a controlling element to her, even though she appeared to back down after a while usually.

There were reports that Sheila had been separated or estranged from HM for a while, and this trip could have been to heal those wounds. Instead, they perhaps became deeper.

Wealthy socialite Sheila von Weise Mack had a blazing row with her daughter and the teenager's boyfriend over a hotel bill hours before her body was found crammed into a blood-stained suitcase on the holiday island of Bali.

Witnesses reported that she and her mother were seen arguing on a number of occasions at the hotel, causing some staff to be concerned that the couple might even come to blows.

'The mother had all the appearances of one of our upmarket guests,' said a staff member, 'but the behaviour she and her daughter showed did not belong in our hotel. Even so, it’s such a tragic end for that poor woman.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ter-luxury-hotel-lobby-just-hours-murder.html

 

[marlywings]

it's kind of disgusting that non-violent drug smugglers are in for DEATH or at least lifelong prison in Bali (Bali9) but brutal murderers can get only 15 years.....even Schapelle Corby who probably ended up with the drugs due to some accident (as who puts a big bag full of scented dried leaves in an unlocked body board bag, go through 2 airports and not expect for it to be found) nearly and could've got death just for some marijuana.

Maybe she's saying 'are you sure I'm the perpetrator?' because she knows TS's finger prints are all over the murder weapons and she somehow incited her bf to do this knowingly.....IDK if she could be that manipulative to have that reaction from him but someone probably put a pillow over sheila's face as there are pics of a pillow covered in blood too. And it seems strange since heather's the one with the history of domestic violence against her mother.
I wish they'd get on with it, I can't wait until more details come out.

It's even worse when terrorists only receive 20yrs max. And even then they have their sentences halved.....

August 08, 2014

ONE of the terrorists behind the 2005 Bali bombings has been released on parole after serving just half his original prison sentence.

Muhammad Cholili, 36, helped assemble more than 20 backpack and motorcycle bombs — some of which were used in the October, 2005 attacks in Bali that killed 20 people, including four Australians.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-sentence-halved/story-fni0cx12-1227017261729

 

[Kamille]

I think the argument(s) at the St Regis were pretty terrible. Staff seemed shocked at the behaviour exhibited by all of them, Sheila included.

Maybe Sheila threatened to cut HM off permanently from any financial assistance .. or threatened to leave them in Bali to figure out how they were going to pay their hotel bill. It is possible that Sheila had a controlling element to her, even though she appeared to back down after a while usually.

There were reports that Sheila had been separated or estranged from HM for a while, and this trip could have been to heal those wounds. Instead, they perhaps became deeper.

I think you could be right about the "controlling" aspect of the relationship SouthAussie. One thing SWM would have had over HM was the financial support she provided for her. HM didn't seem to want to just leave and make her own way in the world, she seemed to expect and need the financial support her mother provided. Did she work? Was she a student? I know she graduated from HS but what was her future plans? Other than to continue to have fun and party on her mother's credit cards? And the relationship between them was very close, in that likely HM knew everything about her parents and their finances. This happens a lot with only children. The child becomes more like another one of the adults as they are always with the parents and privy to everything that is going on and being said. She probably knew everything about the lawsuit, what was awarded and to whom. And about the subsequent court decision to give all the money to her mother. No doubt she believed the money awarded to her father was hers. And resented her mother for perhaps using what she believed to be her own money to control her? If those funds were turned over to HM at age 18, no doubt she would have left her mother's home and SWM would not have seen or heard from her very much, if at all. And it appears that SWM's whole world revolved around her daughter. That would have been devastating to her, even with all the issues she was having with her. There must have been plenty of time in between these incidents where HM and SWM got along very well. They were very close as they only really had each other. Too close really.

So it's possible that an agreement was made during the fight between the three of them in that hotel lobby in Bali that SWM would pay for TS's accomodations at the hotel as long as HM did not stay in the room with him. I'm still curious as to how TS's passport would have gotten locked in SWM's security box, or if it was only HM's that was locked up and TS could have fled the country without her but chose not to. So if they had calmed down enough for SWM to get TS a room as long as he didn't expect her daughter to stay there with him and to suggest that he lock up his passport in her security box for safety reasons, I would hesitate to think that there was a premeditated plan to kill her. Maybe HM decided in the middle of the night that she was going to go stay with TS anyway, regardless of what her mother wanted or had arranged between the three of them. Perhaps at that point she even threw out the pregnancy surprise, to make her point that it was too late for her mother to worry about the two of them sleeping together, and that's when another fight between HM and SWM ensued in their hotel room. And perhaps there is a text around that time between HM and TS for him to come to the room as she had just told her mother about the pregnancy. And when he got there, there was a bigger fight between the three of them? To believe that TS was there specifically to help murder and dispose of SWM you would think they would have known they would have to flee and that their passports were locked up. Although they did try to retrieve the contents of the box, they couldn't have been foolish enough to believe that it was a given that hotel staff would turn the contents over to them could they? Or maybe so. Maybe they at least believed that the hotel staff would turn over their passports to them if nothing else.

There has to be some evidence of communication via text or phone between HM and TS during the course of that night and in the days and weeks prior to the trip. I assume LE in Bali are adept at retrieving this information? I also understand they are getting help from the FBI so I'm sure all communications, deleted or not, will be found on their phones for evidence. There also must be other guests in the rooms adjacent to the room where the murder took place who may have heard something. Arguing of some kind, glass shattering in the room? Pretty sure there will be no evidence of hearing a "gang of six men" in that room.

MOO

 

[tristessa]

So ... when TS ultimately checked into the St. Regis, who provided credit card or agreed to pay for his room 616???

Is there even a room 616? 50 shy of a 666! :hills:

some people think the actual number in the bible was 616 the number of the beast/antichrist -- instead of 666, they think it was mistranslated from ancient hebrew or whatever lol.

I thought they shot the Bali bombers. I also read that locals usually get lighter sentences than foreigners.....I watched some documentary the other night about an Australian girl who was murdered (stabbed 36 times) by a burglar, while living in Bali - the murderer got 8 years I think......& they were saying how ridiculous it was because Schapelle Corby ended up 9 years in there just for some marijuana.....not even killing anyone.

what else is funny is that they used their real names to check into the next hotel after escaping the scene!? If they were going to be so brazen about it, & not even try to hide - they could at least have taken the suitcase or some suitcases with them. if they'd taken the bloody suitcase they could have tried to get rid of it to buy some time even if it wasn't much.

I bet heather thought she could plead insanity for how crazy it seems ....I'm not even sure they have that in Indonesia and they both were shown to have NO psychiatric problems when tested there too.

 

[tarjessi]

some people think the actual number in the bible was 616 the number of the beast/antichrist -- instead of 666, they think it was mistranslated from ancient hebrew or whatever lol.

I thought they shot the Bali bombers. I also read that locals usually get lighter sentences than foreigners.....I watched some documentary the other night about an Australian girl who was murdered (stabbed 36 times) by a burglar, while living in Bali - the murderer got 8 years I think......& they were saying how ridiculous it was because Schapelle Corby ended up 9 years in there just for some marijuana.....not even killing anyone.

what else is funny is that they used their real names to check into the next hotel after escaping the scene!? If they were going to be so brazen about it, & not even try to hide - they could at least have taken the suitcase or some suitcases with them. if they'd taken the bloody suitcase they could have tried to get rid of it to buy some time even if it wasn't much.

I bet heather thought she could plead insanity for how crazy it seems ....I'm not even sure they have that in Indonesia and they both were shown to have NO psychiatric problems when tested there too.

:beats: for Heidi - she had been friends with some of my friends within our local community. It was disgusting that the murderer only received 8 years...

 

[Kamille]

some people think the actual number in the bible was 616 the number of the beast/antichrist -- instead of 666, they think it was mistranslated from ancient hebrew or whatever lol.

I thought they shot the Bali bombers. I also read that locals usually get lighter sentences than foreigners.....I watched some documentary the other night about an Australian girl who was murdered (stabbed 36 times) by a burglar, while living in Bali - the murderer got 8 years I think......& they were saying how ridiculous it was because Schapelle Corby ended up 9 years in there just for some marijuana.....not even killing anyone.

what else is funny is that they used their real names to check into the next hotel after escaping the scene!? If they were going to be so brazen about it, & not even try to hide - they could at least have taken the suitcase or some suitcases with them. if they'd taken the bloody suitcase they could have tried to get rid of it to buy some time even if it wasn't much.

I bet heather thought she could plead insanity for how crazy it seems ....I'm not even sure they have that in Indonesia and they both were shown to have NO psychiatric problems when tested there too.

I'm not sure what they were thinking or planning to do with the suitcase or whether they were thinking rationally at all. If they had been able to get their passports and maybe some cash from the safe deposit box and were able to take the taxi somewhere, where would that have been? It gets a little jumbled as to whether they went directly to the airport after fleeing the hotel and found out they could not board a flight without their passports or whether they were just there inquiring what to do about the fact they lost their passports. Were they supposed to be leaving that day? Did they have return flight tickets for that day? Was it then that they decided to check into the hotel near the airport to figure out their next move, eventually calling the lawyer to ask what they should do. Or did they call him when they were still at the airport? We still don't know what exactly HM said to the lawyer about her situation, or whether this was even a family lawyer that was known to her. Didn't see his name on the documents regarding the court case against the cruise line, however I assume that he knew who she was and that the family had money before he decided to jump in and take on her case. It appears, however, as though that lawyer originally told her to go to the US Consulate for help and didn't really get too involved until she likely called him again after her arrest.

So if they had been thinking rationally at all, you'd think they would have taken that taxi, with those suitcases, even without their passports, somewhere and that they would have disposed of the suitcase with SWM's body in it before taking the other ones to the airport to try to make it look like a normal couple who had lost their passports and were due to fly back to the US. These two were acting completely irrationally and appeared to be freaked out by the whole thing and just wanted to run away from the situation once their "disposal plan" started to come apart at the reception desk of that hotel.

MOO

 

[Quester]

Woman accused of Bali suitcase murder had troubled family life in Chicago
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/bali-suitcase-murder-troubled-family-life-chicago

 

[Hiandmighty]

I also wonder about neighbors at the hotel, as we all know how thin hotel walls are-- especially in the early morning hours when no other noise is going on.

I kind of figure they intended to throw the suitcase in the taxi and that when he got tired of waiting for them, he would ride around all day picking up other customers and it would be the night or the next day, possibly a week before anyone thought to check inside. How many here have seen unclaimed luggage just sitting there at the airport with no one checking it. A friend of mine told me her luggage went to her airport baggage claim and she was diverted (can't remember why) and it was 24 hours later and her luggage was still going round and round on the baggage claim track by the time she claimed it. I think it is possible that they thought no one would immediately care about the luggage in the taxi boot.

I think they thought they could flee the country before anyone would know something was up.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Woman accused of Bali suitcase murder had troubled family life in Chicago
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/bali-suitcase-murder-troubled-family-life-chicago

From this article:
"Heather Mack dropped out of high school two years early and lived in two different facilities for minors in the county’s juvenile court system who suffer from mental health problems."