GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #1

[Curious Me]

Oh where is the hidden blunt???!!!

Yes! Where? lease:

I've looked until I'm crosseyed

Oh dear, I was half joking. Sorry. I thought I saw it laying over the emoticon dollar bills near the money bag emoticon. Silly, no big deal, immature. but he got us all going, huh. I suppose it could be in the pic of him and his friend beside the post.
Just figure he smoked it by now - up in smoke - gone. :smile:

Now it's not a joke, it's about "blunt" force trauma.

 

[gitana1]

Question for Gitana....

If SWM's estate would have gone to HM but not if she is convicted of murdering her, would it not go to HM to use to pay for a defense in this situation? She is not even charged yet, let alone convicted. Or does it all hang in limbo waiting for the outcome of her case and in the mean time she's considered indigent?

TIA if you know how that will work.

The executor has the authority to make sure she doesn't touch a dime pending probate proceedings and/or the outcome of the trial.

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Holy heck. So many things in my head about this. First, I can't imagine who would contribute to an accused murderer. Must be family. I mean TS came up with a bogus story and now has clammed up.

Second, wow, can they raise a lot? If so, TS stands a better chance of getting out of this via bribery. While HM can't.

But, I really don't think he will be able to raise much. Not enough to get out of this. Money certainly won't guarantee him a "fair trial", an American concept that likely has no application there. The can't buy a great attorney. Thy can only use it to bribe, apparently.

They Should spend their money ensuring he gets what he needs in prison and maybe hiring a local advisor to tell them what to do.

 

[SouthAussie]

Second, wow, can they raise a lot? If so, TS stands a better chance of getting out of this via bribery. While HM can't.

But, I really don't think he will be able to raise much. Not enough to get out of this. Money certainly won't guarantee him a "fair trial", an American concept that likely has no application there. The can't buy a great attorney. Thy can only use it to bribe, apparently.

Just want to make a comment about the bribery thing ... I was reading info about levels of bribery in Indonesia this morning. Don't have time right now to find the links again, but apparently bribery thrives at lower levels of crime ... possession of small amounts of drugs, vehicular accidents, traffic stops .. they don't even reach charges and court due to paying off low-level police.

But once the crime reaches higher levels of police and judicial involvement, it is under scrutiny by their Corruption & Crime Commission (or whatever it is called), so bribery is out of the question.

 

[Paulette]

All will be revealed at trial. The CCTV footage of who-went-to-whose room, Shelia's personal items, like jewelry, found on the accused after arrest, fleeing out the back door, 1st statements when captured, how long TS was in Shelia's room before lugging the suitcase out, the argument in the lobby, HM accusing Bali police of molesting her, etc.

Heather really did herself a disservice accusing the Balinese police of molesting her - now she's in solitary confinement (to protect everyone).

When will the trial be? Soon...

 

[Curious Me]

Can't blame any mother for loving her child. Probably thinks he was heading towards a good future making music and being a escort companion, then this wrong girl came along.

 

[Quester]

"I said to her, 'You have really bad press – internationally bad press. [HM] was shocked,'" [Attny E] said.

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Articles/8-25-2014/Mack-attorney-goes-days-without-speaking-to-client/

 

[Curious Me]

"I said to her, 'You have really bad press &#8211; internationally bad press. [HM] was shocked,'" [Attny E] said.

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Articles/8-25-2014/Mack-attorney-goes-days-without-speaking-to-client/

This is me saying, "I don't know how much more of this I can take!"

This attorney blabs all these complaints and lies to the media, then tells her she's got bad press.

:gaah: Make him go away!

 

[Kamille]

This is me saying, "I don't know how much more of this I can take!"

This attorney blabs all these complaints and lies to the media, then tells her she's got bad press.

:gaah: Make him go away!

Yeah, maybe this guy will read his own bad press and give it up already since he won't really be doing anything to help her if there are no funds there for him to use. Who is paying for this supposed "legal team" that he claims he put together? Or is is telling them that they can become "famous" too by helping her out without expecting to be paid for their services? SMH

 

[gitana1]

Just want to make a comment about the bribery thing ... I was reading info about levels of bribery in Indonesia this morning. Don't have time right now to find the links again, but apparently bribery thrives at lower levels of crime ... possession of small amounts of drugs, vehicular accidents, traffic stops .. they don't even reach charges and court due to paying off low-level police.

But once the crime reaches higher levels of police and judicial involvement, it is under scrutiny by their Corruption & Crime Commission (or whatever it is called), so bribery is out of the question.

That makes sense. I have been researching Americans incarcerated in Indonesia and found an American sentenced to death there for drug running. (Question: why the heck would anyone ever run drugs there? It's insane!) he has spoken out a lot about the levels of corruption and how those with money get off. Shapelle Corby has said the same thing and so has the British grandmother sentenced to death.

But what I mean really is that all the stuff here that protects defendants-due process, the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney, all the things an attorney can do for a defendant, presenting evidence, creating a story line, delaying, using other tactics, like jury consults, manipulating the press, etc, just aren't available there.

Its tell the truth, present mitigators, ask for
mercy and/or have enough money to bail you out of trouble.

 

[RK77]

Yeah, maybe this guy will read his own bad press and give it up already since he won't really be doing anything to help her if there are no funds there for him to use. Who is paying for this supposed "legal team" that he claims he put together? Or is is telling them that they can become "famous" too by helping her out without expecting to be paid for their services? SMH

I am an attorney from/living in Chicago and have been following this thread since it started and feel that everyone makes great points. Although I'm not a criminal law expert, I think this guy should be disbarred. His consistent disregard for and misrepresentations of both the law and facts are not doing anyone any good. It's an embarrassment to my profession. And I know plenty of other attorneys who agree.

And just to throw a question out there...how does this attorney know HM? Perhaps there is another reason why he wants to speak with her privately.

 

[gitana1]

Looooong article about an accused or defendants rights in Indonesia, corruption, and prison conditions, via an interview with Frank Amado, an American who was sentenced to death. http://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.com/2011/01/frank-amado-actual-story.html?m=1

 

[Mountain Misst]

Somebody send that man a zipper will you and some super glue to keep it permanently zipped up...

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Articles/8-25-2014/Mack-attorney-goes-days-without-speaking-to-client/

 

[Kamille]

That makes sense. I have been researching Americans incarcerated in Indonesia and found an American sentenced to death there for drug running. (Question: why the heck would anyone ever run drugs there? It's insane!) he has spoken out a lot about the levels of corruption and how those with money get off. Shapelle Corby has said the same thing and so has the British grandmother sentenced to death.

But what I mean really is that all the stuff here that protects defendants-due process, the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney, all the things an attorney can do for a defendant, presenting evidence, creating a story line, delaying, using other tactics, like jury consults, manipulating the press, etc, just aren't available there.

Its tell the truth, present mitigators, ask for
mercy and/or have enough money to bail you out of trouble.

Other than the "have enough money to bail or bribe yourself out of trouble part", sounds like a pretty good system. Imagine that, tell the truth and show some remorse. No games, no stalling for years, no lying defense lawyers to skew a jury that they hand picked, just a panel of judges going over the evidence and deciding if it's sufficient for a conviction. I believe they have the same type of system in Peru? Joran Van Der Sloot sure found out how his games and lies did nothing for him. He tried his charm on the female judges and got nowhere. And he also hadnlots of money backing him to no avail. His defence lawyer tried everything while continuing to pocket the money, likely knowing all along it would do no good. Although that money is helping him to live a decent life in a Peruvian prison. He's always had perks because of his wealth and celebrity. Now he's a married man with a child on the way. :roll eyes:

MOO

 

[gitana1]

I am an attorney from/living in Chicago and have been following this thread since it started and feel that everyone makes great points. Although I'm not a criminal law expert, I think this guy should be disbarred. His consistent disregard for and misrepresentations of both the law and facts are not doing anyone any good. It's an embarrassment to my profession. And I know plenty of other attorneys who agree.

And just to throw a question out there...how does this attorney know HM? Perhaps there is another reason why he wants to speak with her privately.

It was inferred she called him because that's who she could think of when arrested:
"Elkin has only met Mack a few times, but when she decided to contact a U.S. attorney shortly before her arrest, it was his number she dialed, in tears. He was speaking out Thursday to counter media reports that, in his view, have depicted Mack as a monster." http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/08...asnt-involved-in-moms-gruesome-death-in-bali/

However, later he said she called him before being arrested. Sounds like a liar to me.

 

[Mountain Misst]

The drug running in Bali is a transfer station for the drugs, Gitana. The initial drug courier hands the drugs over to a middle man whom is living the high-life locally (always a foreigner because they usually just get deported - unless he's caught with the drugs on him, whereas a local would be shot). The middle man recruits the second courier who has a 'cleanskin' passport (hasn't been in a country where drug trafficking is rife) and the drugs continue on to the ultimate destination.

That makes sense. I have been researching Americans incarcerated in Indonesia and found an American sentenced to death there for drug running. (Question: why the heck would anyone ever run drugs there? It's insane!) he has spoken out a lot about the levels of corruption and how those with money get off. Shapelle Corby has said the same thing and so has the British grandmother sentenced to death.

But what I mean really is that all the stuff here that protects defendants-due process, the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney, all the things an attorney can do for a defendant, presenting evidence, creating a story line, delaying, using other tactics, like jury consults, manipulating the press, etc, just aren't available there.

Its tell the truth, present mitigators, ask for
mercy and/or have enough money to bail you out of trouble.

 

[Kamille]

I am an attorney from/living in Chicago and have been following this thread since it started and feel that everyone makes great points. Although I'm not a criminal law expert, I think this guy should be disbarred. His consistent disregard for and misrepresentations of both the law and facts are not doing anyone any good. It's an embarrassment to my profession. And I know plenty of other attorneys who agree.

And just to throw a question out there...how does this attorney know HM? Perhaps there is another reason why he wants to speak with her privately.

FWIW I read a comment on that last article that they met socially not long before she went to Bali. No idea if there is any truth to that. This guy does not look like someone who would have been the family lawyer. In fact, I assume the family lawyer is the guy who just filed SWM's will.

MOO

 

[Mountain Misst]

RK77 - please rest, assured that if Elkin's shenanigans were to happen on the other side of the world where a lot of us here are, he would be a laughing stock within his profession and not seen as representative of the profession as a whole.

Think I read where he'd represented Sheila in a civil matter. Heather had also been a witness in the case so she would've been familiar with his name.

I am an attorney from/living in Chicago and have been following this thread since it started and feel that everyone makes great points. Although I'm not a criminal law expert, I think this guy should be disbarred. His consistent disregard for and misrepresentations of both the law and facts are not doing anyone any good. It's an embarrassment to my profession. And I know plenty of other attorneys who agree.

And just to throw a question out there...how does this attorney know HM? Perhaps there is another reason why he wants to speak with her privately.

 

[quesarita]

The lawyer said she was shocked at her bad press. Is she going to try and say she didn't know her mother was in the suitcase when her bf carried it out? When she tried to get into her mother's safe? When she ran out the back door and tried to talk her way onto a plane out of Bali? Too much!

 

[Kamille]

Looks like Mr Elkin is getting ready for his big break...

http://elkin-associates.com/

 

[RK77]

I think the estate attorney here filed the will to tie up her estate so HM couldn't start spending...