GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #2

[RR0004]

Before I go on a long vacation, I'll usually go to a salon and get a "gelish" mani- it is suppose to last up to 2 weeks and is much more durable than regular nail polish.


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Gotcha. She may have also gotten it done before TS arrived at the hotel. That stuff strong enough to inflict a beating without any telltale sign?

 

[SouthAussie]

Wouldn't someone from the US Embassy be asked to talk to them and tell them that a lawyer is not coming from the US and has no jurisdiction to do so anyway? I wonder if Tommy has been able to communicate with his mother. She still seems to think that she can provide legal counsel for her son with enough funds. Has she told him to hold out until she can send help? Is she in constant contact with the Embassy getting advice on how best to help her son?

Are there higher paid defense attorney's in Bali who can successfully argue away evidence against their client, better than a public defender, that a westerner can hire? Does it really make a difference considering the evidence that they have in the form of CCTV surveillance and fingerprints? Plus the completely implausible story that the two of them made up about the gang and the robbery?

Reminds me so much of Joran Van Der Sloot. All his money on a local attorney did absolutely nothing. The CCTV and his implausible story about a gang and a robbery gave him away too.

MOO

Somehow, I don't think an Indonesian lawyer will cost her anywhere near as much as a US lawyer ... wage rates and fees are comparatively very low in Indonesia. One of the articles somewhere said that the US Consulate can provide a list of lawyers in the area. I hope that Tommy's mum has followed this avenue and found that independent legal assistance is affordable.

Not that it will change anything if the 'facts of the crime' clearly show the involvement of both HM and TS. As we have read previously, the judges will make their judgement according to the facts of the crime.

 

[RR0004]

I don't know how many hours elapsed after their departure from Regis to second hotel but they must have had some time and money to (a) check into a second hotel and (b) stop at a mani/pedi salon - abundant and cheap in Bali? MOO

I can really envision (b) as very possible - hope they (LE) have made inquiries.

They also went to the airport. Traffic in Bali is horrendous. They must have spent a good deal of time getting from one place to the other. But, I could see her stopping to get that done, too. It's just the way she was holding her hands- it gave me the impression that wearing nail polish wasn't the usual for her. She looked like cr*p when she was brought in for questioning, but she laid out her hands like "See how pretty my nails are." Just weird.

 

[Kamille]

Before I go on a long vacation, I'll usually go to a salon and get a "gelish" mani- it is suppose to last up to 2 weeks and is much more durable than regular nail polish.


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That's exactly what her nails look like. A gel manicure about 2 weeks old. Notice the grow out at the base.

MOO

 

[Curious Me]

Glad you posted a picture and made note that it may be an older manicure, Kamille.

Her middle finger almost looks swollen. It appears shiny and puffy right under the nail. Growing another horn there too?

Some of the tips of her nails might look retouched?

I agree with RR0004 about the strange way HM displayed her hands in almost every photo I've seen. She either wanted us to notice her manicure or make sure we noted no broken nails and bruises. Someone displaying their hands so obviously made me wonder why.

 

[nightwatch]

Southaussie regarding other high profile cases with aussie citizens have those cases been televised? I'd get up in the middle of the night to watch these two dreadful people squirm. Jmt

Maybe once they are charged we'll find out if there will be one trial or two. Jmt

ciao

 

[SouthAussie]

Southaussie regarding other high profile cases with aussie citizens have those cases been televised? I'd get up in the middle of the night to watch these two dreadful people squirm. Jmt

Maybe once they are charged we'll find out if there will be one trial or two. Jmt

ciao

TV cameras were allowed in, but the whole trials were not televised - in Schapelle Corby's trial or the Bali Nine trials. We definitely saw footage from the trials ... and caught the atmosphere of the courtroom, saw the accused sitting all by themselves sometimes, with a lawyer at other times, saw the judges speaking, saw the hysterics and loud verbal slings from the family (in Schapelle's case) after the verdict.

The Bali Nine seemed to go to court with some in groups, and some individually. Not sure how they determined the groupings .. perhaps by who was travelling with/arrested with who at the airport and the hotel.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Jumping off your post, SA
The court case is in the Indonesian language not English. Translators available.

We're only going to get spoon fed what the western media wants us to see - the sensationalism. We know that the local coverage of the crime was far greater than we were told (by the Youtube videos uploaded by locals). I would expect more of the same for the court case.
We will need to watch both with maybe even do a crash course in Indonesian in the meantime (yeah, get real MM LOL)

TV cameras were allowed in, but the whole trials were not televised - in Schapelle Corby's trial or the Bali Nine trials. We definitely saw footage from the trials ... and caught the atmosphere of the courtroom, saw the accused sitting all by themselves sometimes, with a lawyer at other times, saw the judges speaking, saw the hysterics and loud verbal slings from the family (in Schapelle's case) after the verdict.

The Bali Nine seemed to go to court with some in groups, and some individually. Not sure how they determined the groupings .. perhaps by who was travelling with/arrested with who at the airport and the hotel.

 

[Kamille]

Just watched this Australian Dateline on the two men from the Bali nine who are still facing the death penalty. Lots of footage inside the jail and footage of their original trials and their final appeal. Gives an idea of how things are in the prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXjpQkPfnaY

 

[otto]

Just watched this Australian Dateline on the two men from the Bali nine who are still facing the death penalty. Lots of footage inside the jail and footage of their original trials and their final appeal. Gives an idea of how things are in the prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXjpQkPfnaY

It's interesting that after the sentence is confirmed, it's up to the family to request clemency from the President. Who will do that for Heather.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just watched this Australian Dateline on the two men from the Bali nine who are still facing the death penalty. Lots of footage inside the jail and footage of their original trials and their final appeal. Gives an idea of how things are in the prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXjpQkPfnaY

Thanks for this link, Kamille.

Only 10 mins into the program, and already I am feeling how utterly devastating this is for their families, and for these stupid, stupid, but well-spoken lads who somehow decided that it was a good idea to be heroin mules.

What a waste ..... :sigh:

 

[FormerOakParker]

Middle finger does seem injured and swollen. Answers the same question I also had. How could such a horrific act be carried out without getting hurt herself?

 

[newone]

Middle finger does seem injured and swollen. Answers the same question I also had. How could such a horrific act be carried out without getting hurt herself?

.....use of feet or elbows or knees...

 

[LinasK]

They also went to the airport. Traffic in Bali is horrendous. They must have spent a good deal of time getting from one place to the other. But, I could see her stopping to get that done, too. It's just the way she was holding her hands- it gave me the impression that wearing nail polish wasn't the usual for her. She looked like cr*p when she was brought in for questioning, but she laid out her hands like "See how pretty my nails are." Just weird.

Well another sociopath Jodi Arias stopped to get fixed up on route to her murder trip...

 

[FormerOakParker]

Well another sociopath Jodi Arias stopped to get fixed up on route to her murder trip...

Trying NOT to ROFL, but just can't help myself!

 

[east2west]

Well another sociopath Jodi Arias stopped to get fixed up on route to her murder trip...

She also documented her "make-over" with a few selfies taken with her cellphone while sitting in her Ford Focus rental car.[emoji4]

 

[Curious Me]

Middle finger does seem injured and swollen. Answers the same question I also had. How could such a horrific act be carried out without getting hurt herself?

And yet, after such a violent, brutal episode against her mother, after being unhandcuffed in the jail, she smoked her cigarette so elegantly like a hand model while thinking she was as talented and famous as Britney Spears. :notgood:

 

[Curious Me]

Well another sociopath Jodi Arias stopped to get fixed up on route to her murder trip...

Yeah, but Juan Martinez does more accurate "gas can math" than Jodi Arias. :giggle:

:juanettes:

 

[gitana1]

Thanks for this link, Kamille.

Only 10 mins into the program, and already I am feeling how utterly devastating this is for their families, and for these stupid, stupid, but well-spoken lads who somehow decided that it was a good idea to be heroin mules.

What a waste ..... :sigh:

This kind of shows, as well as the other cases of drug dealers sentenced to death in Bali, that the harsh laws and the death penalty have failed to act as a deterrence.

Who the heck would ever do anything like this knowing what the result could be? It makes no sense to me.

However, I do want to say that death row and the Indonesian prison system in general there seems actually much more liveable and humane even than here, actually. They have gardens, can lounge around with one another, can have family touch them, bring them regular food, have furniture, street clothes, etc. Bizarre.

 

[gitana1]

Gosh, the more I watch of that Bali 9 documentary, the more I think HM and TS lucked out committing murder in Bali. That's death row?