GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #2

[Quester]

What are the two objects next to the smaller matching silver suitcase? The tan colored, upright object and the red, ornamental looking object? TIA

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728109/Pregnant-teen-accused-mothers-Bali-body-suitcase-killing-claims-shes-sexually-assaulted-prison-given-McDonalds-complaining-racist-KFC.html


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ETA, BBM:

? Mon, 8/11/14; ~11:30p - Tues, 8/12/14; ~1:30a ? Police sources revealed the murder had occurred in room 317 - not 616 - which was being shared by SWM and her daughter ... SWM was bludgeoned to death ... when she was standing ... upright ... with an object described as looking like an ashtray but which was more 'ornamental' ... a fruit container made of glass ... with such violence that the objects shattered. “We found pieces of glass around [the] room ...” Police also found a piece of wood that may have been used to hit the victim. ... The 62-year-old's half-naked body ... was wrapped in a hotel bedsheet and tied up with duct tape,' said Inspector Djoko. 'There were blood stains all over the sheet.' ... the 5' 5" victim, was folded into the 3ft-long silver-coloured case ... but the lid would not close completely ... her alleged killers wrapped the suitcase in a sheet and pulled the cloth tight around ... Bali police: "TS' fingerprints on murder weapon and suitcase"

[FONT=Calibri, serif]Tues, 8/12/14; btw 6:45a & 10a[/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif]Pathologists say she suffered asphyxiation, a broken neck and a broken nose and that she had probably been killed between 6.45am and 10am local time.[/FONT]
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[SwampMama]

This is an older report after the arrest and HM is tested for pregnancy. The part where it mentions HM was adopted is false.



“Although they have not given a statement, it is not a problem. We have much evidence including the CCTV footage, fingerprints, the luggage, it shows they are the perpetrators.

“This is premeditated murder. Why? Because we can see how they put the body in the suitcase.”

He said they may be charged under Article 340 of the Criminal Code which carries a death sentence.

http://www.news.com.au/world/heathe...la-von-wiesemack/story-fndir2ev-1227024982347

Does anyone understand how premeditation was determined by police from how the body was stuffed in suitcase? Did it seem like a method was used that most people would not know about, the breaking of neck, limbs? Was there dismemberment, so a tool was used? The type of suitcase is probably fairly airtight, maybe more so than the other suitcases implying HM and TS knew there would be leakage?

I'm sorry for the grisly questions, just been wondering about it, I suppose we will find out soon enough. It is a gruesome crime and I hope HM and TS pay dearly for it. jmo

For me, the presence of duct tape struck me as odd. Who goes on an exotic vacation and happens to have trusty ole duct tape with them? Where did the duct tape come from? Was it purchased before the killing? Brought from America? I'm curious about it. From what i understand, neither suspect left the hotel and could have purchased it after the killing . So why was it there and available?

 

[newone]

For me, the presence of duct tape struck me as odd. Who goes on an exotic vacation and happens to have trusty ole duct tape with them? Where did the duct tape come from? Was it purchased before the killing? Brought from America? I'm curious about it. From what i understand, neither suspect left the hotel and could have purchased it after the killing . So why was it there and available?

for use with strapless outfits when wearing a bra is not desirable? use duct tape for holding up the girls

illustrated here: http://ultimatebraguide.com/bras/taping/

http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/taping-the-girls-in-lieu-of-a-bra/#axzz3CBDXOotF

 

[SwampMama]

for use with strapless outfits when wearing a bra is not desirable? use duct tape for holding up the girls

illustrated here: http://ultimatebraguide.com/bras/taping/

http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/taping-the-girls-in-lieu-of-a-bra/#axzz3CBDXOotF

Interesting. Thanks for that.

I confess, I am happily under-endowed and have always been rather pleased that I could use large bandaids as coverage for "my girls" while wearing a swimsuit, wearing scuba gear and even clothing. i hate bras and constrictive clothing so i loved how clever bandaids were.

 

[gitana1]

I guess you could make the determination that one blow to the face in the heat of an argument that happens to result in death even though you came to your senses when you realized what happened and called for help, makes for an accidental death in the heat of passion.

Multiple blows until she was dead, bending and breaking the body to fit into a suitcase, attempting to clean up and then flee the country might be considered more premeditated? Actually each blow after the initial one might be considered premeditation. At that point they were determined to kill her?

MOO

It seems like there's a bit of a leap in logic to say that because the body was in the suitcase, it was premeditated, but perhaps something is lost in translation.

I really think it's a case of- if it was sudden, and not premeditated, they wouldn't have gone to such great lengths to hide the body as wouldn't have been as good at fitting her in. Like they thought about how they were going to transport the body before they killed her.

that's the nice side....it doesn't mean inmates aren't attacked and bribed especially if they're foreigners. Men also have more to do for some unfair reason. Plus they never know when they're coming for them, they wake them up in the night, could be any night with no prior warning & that's it.

I'm reading 'Hotel K' & it seems you can get a lot of better treatment by paying the guards. So IDK how that will work for Heather. I was also thinking she's probably someone who was born to live in a prison environment, it's like she's being asking for it all these years......some people even have drug dealing business inside.....wonder if she'll try to join that knowing she was a budding criminal and wannabe before. Guards also regularly beat prisoners harshly unlike in western prisons so that's scary.

It does seem okay-ish on that Bali9 documentary but you can see how nervous * constantly scared the one of Indian descent comes across.....probably a tonne more happens than they can show or tell.

Yeah, guards totally regularly beat prisoners here in the states, and/or they have other prisoners do it for them. http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/19/n...-prison-s-violent-culture-enveloping-its.html
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/1...ners-injured-by-employees.html?referrer=&_r=0
http://solitarywatch.com/2013/04/05...th-mental-illness-brutally-subdued-by-guards/
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1820145
http://neworleanscitybusiness.com/b...ites-guard-violence-at-orleans-parish-prison/

And that death row seems more than okayish. It's doable. Like someone said, it just seems like living in a poor country but with access to things. I mean my gosh, cooking chicken for a cookout? Lounging on patio furniture outside? Planting gardens? Going to what looks like a regular church? An art studio? A gym? Being able to meet and make out with girlfriends? Having family hang out with you all day, bringing food and being able to touch you? Come on!

Also, yes, they worry each night if tht will be the night but our highly ritualized system of execution doesn't seem like a cake walk.

My my solace is only that perhaps HM doesn't have access to those who can supply her with comforts and protect her from the worst of prison life.

 

[Paulette]

Premeditation doesn't have to be a plan put in place hours, days, or months before. Premeditation can occur within minutes of the crime. We know HM threatened to hit SM in the head.

So what precipitated the murder? I'm guessing it was either a continuation of the earlier argument about $$$, or HM wanted to go to TS's room and SM put up a fuss. Why was HM still sharing a room with SM? She's over 18, living on her own - SM couldn't really object if HM went to TM's room, except...she may have threatened HM with $$$.

Maybe SM was so darned disappointed in HM's choice of boyfriend or being pregnant she snapped at HM and we all know that's a big no-no as HM can't cope without having her way.

The thing is, SM seemed to be able to take care of her affairs properly. So when TS showed up, why was there a problem with payment for the room? Me, I would have taken care to find out all the particulars long before the vacation. But then again, my daughter is a gem.

 

[gitana1]

No, IMO that suitcase is a smaller one that matches the one they used for Sheila. That bundle is way too small. IMO

Right. That shows bloody towels they wrapped in plastic and stowed in suitcases.

 

[tristessa]

They get beat in the USA... But Heather might've even be able to get off there considering people like Casey Anthony. I am feeling she would've thrived in American prison too....she seems meant for that kind of lifestyle, because she just wouldn't stop attacking her mother after all those chances - the *life incarcerated* lifestyle, I think I'd still rather be free. She'll also have to share with a load of others because females have worse conditions than men there for some reason

 

[PaperDoll]

For me, the presence of duct tape struck me as odd. Who goes on an exotic vacation and happens to have trusty ole duct tape with them? Where did the duct tape come from? Was it purchased before the killing? Brought from America? I'm curious about it. From what i understand, neither suspect left the hotel and could have purchased it after the killing . So why was it there and available?

I had asked that question awhile back regarding the duct tape because I'm curious as well.

 

[Kamille]

For me, the presence of duct tape struck me as odd. Who goes on an exotic vacation and happens to have trusty ole duct tape with them? Where did the duct tape come from? Was it purchased before the killing? Brought from America? I'm curious about it. From what i understand, neither suspect left the hotel and could have purchased it after the killing . So why was it there and available?

I always have duct tape in my luggage. Came about from one trip where a suitcase came off the plane with a big hole where one of the wheels used to be. Thank goodness for the inner lining or I would have lost things in the luggage. Suitcases take a beating during air travel. Duct tape works great for patching it up to get home. It's possible SWM and JM found this out in their travels as well and SWM brought it with her.

FWIW I also bring an extension cord with multiple plug ins to be able to plug more electronics in and have them closer to where you want them to be, batteries for the tv remote that always seems to be not working and a universal remote if it's not just the battery. Hate getting up out of bed to change the channel on vacation and I hate trying to find someone who can find me a remote that works. hahaha.

MOO

 

[LinasK]

Just a guess, but it is the only thing that I can think of.

Translating his comment from “because we can see how they put the body in the suitcase” to “because of the fact that the body was in the suitcase” (you know how we sometimes say ‘how’ when we mean ‘due to the fact’ ... eg: Why do you think I went out last night? Because we can see how the car was parked on the street this morning (instead of in the garage)) - maybe they found Google searches or texts or emails back and forth from prior to the murder that showed things like this …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF-jOMnNSu4
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-smuggle-Thai-woman-suitcase-US-Mexico.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-hid-suitcase-steal-tourists-luggage-bus.html

I know, reading these articles is hard for me. The improper English syntax and terminology really bother me. You have to literally "read between the lines" to figure out their meaning.

 

[Kamille]

What are the two objects next to the smaller matching silver suitcase? The tan colored, upright object and the red, ornamental looking object? TIA

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728109/Pregnant-teen-accused-mothers-Bali-body-suitcase-killing-claims-shes-sexually-assaulted-prison-given-McDonalds-complaining-racist-KFC.html


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ETA, BBM:

? Mon, 8/11/14; ~11:30p - Tues, 8/12/14; ~1:30a ? Police sources revealed the murder had occurred in room 317 - not 616 - which was being shared by SWM and her daughter ... SWM was bludgeoned to death ... when she was standing ... upright ... with an object described as looking like an ashtray but which was more 'ornamental' ... a fruit container made of glass ... with such violence that the objects shattered. “We found pieces of glass around [the] room ...” Police also found a piece of wood that may have been used to hit the victim. ... The 62-year-old's half-naked body ... was wrapped in a hotel bedsheet and tied up with duct tape,' said Inspector Djoko. 'There were blood stains all over the sheet.' ... the 5' 5" victim, was folded into the 3ft-long silver-coloured case ... but the lid would not close completely ... her alleged killers wrapped the suitcase in a sheet and pulled the cloth tight around ... Bali police: "TS' fingerprints on murder weapon and suitcase"

[FONT=Calibri, serif]Tues, 8/12/14; btw 6:45a & 10a[/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif]Pathologists say she suffered asphyxiation, a broken neck and a broken nose and that she had probably been killed between 6.45am and 10am local time.[/FONT]
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The caption on the other pic with the yellow bag on this link says that they found a stone ornament/statue in the bag. Not sure what bag but perhaps that's what that is? The caption makes it seem as though the stone ornament/statue was in the bag with SWM and is the item wrapped in plastic.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ntended-display-Bali-police-headquarters.html

 

[LinasK]

This kind of shows, as well as the other cases of drug dealers sentenced to death in Bali, that the harsh laws and the death penalty have failed to act as a deterrence.

Who the heck would ever do anything like this knowing what the result could be? It makes no sense to me.

However, I do want to say that death row and the Indonesian prison system in general there seems actually much more liveable and humane even than here, actually. They have gardens, can lounge around with one another, can have family touch them, bring them regular food, have furniture, street clothes, etc. Bizarre.

We must have the same surprised face right now.

Fresh eggs on a table in the background, tomatoes, a room with exercise equipment, and hanging your clothes on the line in the sunshine and fresh air is not what I had in mind as death row.

Well, those cement benches out on the lawn might give someone hemorrhoids, but still. :smile:

You need family or friends to supply you with food in the gaol, otherwise you are stuck with the rice and a bit of mixture on the menu. Chappell had her sister to supply her with the extras. One of the Bali nine was begging awhile back for help as he hd no one to supply him with food. I think those tht have food barter with it too. There have been reports of plenty of drugs available in the gaol if you have the money.

Well, she's lost the only family that would support her. I highly doubt the step-brothers and step-sisters from her father's prior marriages are going to step up and help her out. So new clothes and better food are out, so is being touched. The only benefits then might be the furniture and gardens and exercise room. All of which she's probably too spoiled to appreciate. Hey maybe she would be better off in a US prison! I'm changing my mind...

 

[SwampMama]

I had asked that question awhile back regarding the duct tape because I'm curious as well.

Thanks!! I knew someone earlier had pointed it out and couldn't remember who it was. I was surprised that it was not discussed in any length because you know that WSers can obsess over the tiniest detail in cases.

When you pointed it out earlier it definitely stood out to me.

 

[gitana1]

They get beat in the USA... But Heather might've even be able to get off there considering people like Casey Anthony. I am feeling she would've thrived in American prison too....she seems meant for that kind of lifestyle, because she just wouldn't stop attacking her mother after all those chances - the *life incarcerated* lifestyle, I think I'd still rather be free. She'll also have to share with a load of others because females have worse conditions than men there for some reason

Thats true. She'd get some Jose Baez type to represent her for free too!

 

[nightwatch]

See this is what I was talking about earlier. The haves and the have nots being separated. Clearly these inmates have some money. They could not possibly be housed with inmates who have nothing, wouldn't need to wait for firing squad they would kill each other. Was this the foreigners death row wing? Very interesting. Jmo

IMO HM killed the only person who loved her by all accounts none of Mrs Mack's relatives or friends cared for HW big question is would they feel sympathy for her and sent money idk maybe someone will for a short period of time but for decades she'll be begging for charity. We already see TM has a fund site. Will he share with HW idk might be each man for him/herself. Does anyone think TS loves HW, ha! Jmo

ciao

So mad about this case my HM turned into HW lol at myself. Geez[emoji5]

ciao

 

[Mountain Misst]

Tourists buy Balinese statues - wood carvings etc, or steal them from their hosts/resorts if they're that way inclined. One of the MSM articles identified the parcel wrapped in yellow as being a cultural item.

In relation to the accommodation, having lived in the region I can share that anyone with the slightest weakness in their chests can suffer pretty badly with the high humidity, plus all that concrete keeps the environment cold. It will be hot for that first year the perps are there, but after that they'll acclimatise and the wet season will get at them - bacteria and mould spread like crazy. Any cuts fester and bronchial conditions are rife.

As I commented earlier on, HM's biggest enemy will be boredom. It would appear that TS will do okay if he ends up on death row with the Bali 9. The threat of death seems to bind them together. It will be HM whom will struggle IMO due to her difficult personality. She'll be likely more open to boredom that will wear down her mental state. Apathy is their enemy, not fear of the guards.

:sick: Looks like:

• wrapped in ?sheet? secured with strip/s of duct tape [? one strip visible through plastic ?]
• then placed in yellow plastic bag/s [? hotel laundry bag/s ?]
• then placed in silver suitcase [ SWM's name on blue tag as seen in previously posted video]

8/18/14: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uffed-suitcase-murder-Bali-flown-Chicago.html

 

[PaperDoll]

Thanks!! I knew someone earlier had pointed it out and couldn't remember who it was. I was surprised that it was not discussed in any length because you know that WSers can obsess over the tiniest detail in cases.

When you pointed it out earlier it definitely stood out to me.

LOL, Yup some of our WS'ers are really good about the details.. I, too, was surprised there wasn't much discussion about it so I decided to drop it.. lol

 

[SouthAussie]

I notice today that Jake Drage, an Aussie on trial in Bali for vehicular homicide, has suddenly converted to Islam. Sounds as though he is trying a "Michelle Leslie" move (Michelle did the same thing in Bali .. suspected to be a move to garner favour, a lighter sentence, and better treatment .. interestingly she dropped the Islamic apparel when she was released and came home).

http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...ndonesian-prison/story-fncynjr2-1227045902893

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Leslie

 

[Quester]

The red item i asked about up thread appears to be TS' red & yellow jacket.

8/16/14: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ntended-display-Bali-police-headquarters.html
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... Also on morbid display were what appeared to be two pairs of jeans and an unidentifiable yellow and red cloth item which appears to be the same item that [TS] is seen wearing in a still from a CCTV camera focused on the hotel lobby either before or after the murder. ...
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BBM - But, check out the conversation ... it appears the lobby staff person or taxi driver and HM were conversing and body language of TS is standing there with arm/s crossed in front of him. I find that all interesting since we know they experienced mayhem a few short hours before and HM seems to be in charge.

Could those be the vertical bars of the luggage trolly just behind TS' right shoulder?