GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #2

[Hiandmighty]

I have been thinking about the duct tape and here are a few thoughts:

1). Many people travel with duct tape. It is an excellent resource to tape up any luggage TSA or whoever rips apart at the airport. I have seen this tip on several travel blogs for people who travel a lot. The last thing you need is a ripped suitcase with contents spilling out.

But Sheila had a hard sided suitcase. So it doesn't necessarily fit that she brought the duct tape along

LE can trace which plant manufactured duct tape by analyzing the tread on it. Maybe this was one of the things FBI was helping with? Determining if the duct tape was purchased in the US or Indonesia.

Or HM could have borrowed some from housekeeping.

At this point, the duct tape is interesting but we can't really do anything with it at this time.

ETA: 10 reasons to pack duct tape when you travel:
http://www.deliciousbaby.com/journal/2008/feb/22/travel-gear-10-reasons-pack-duct-tape-when-you-tra/

Duct tape makes a self-reliant traveler:
http://www.travelinsurancereview.net/tips-and-advice/travel-safety-tips/duct-tape-for-self-reliant-travelers/

One last edit: as a family, we love duct tape. My dad once used some to tape over the rust spots on his car and then he painted over it the same color as the car-- lol-- like new! For his last Christmas, part of the gift I gave him was a 6 pack of duct tape from sam's club. We also put a roll of duct tape in his coffin with him. if anyone would need duct tape in the next place, it would be my dad.

 

[SouthAussie]

The fools should have sealed up the gap in the suitcase with duct tape, then it may not have leaked and revealed their malicious crime so quickly.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Here is more than you wanted to know about duct tape in investigations (PDF file)

http://www.swgmat.org/Tape%20Admissibility%20Package.pdf

 

[Hiandmighty]

MOO MOO MOO MOO


I imagine if they had been successful in getting off the island, they would have taped the suitcase up and said they were staying another 2 nights. At night, go throw the suitcase in the ocean. Go to consulate and attempt to get passport. Get off island and back to US before anyone figured out Sheila was missing.

But I wonder if they would have been able to pull this off-- get themselves to the US. Seems like there were so many problems and they were rather messy (a good plan would have at least required them to clean up a la Scott Peterson). Seems they should have stayed status quo at the St. Regis. But, we don't know how much of a struggle or what other people heard. I've heard the people in the next room having sex once and they weren't particularly loud... The walls were that thin. Seems there must have been a rage on HM's part which, to me, implies screaming. We already know they were shouting at each other in the lobby. I'm certain there would have been shouting in the room enough to get HM all enraged, "not able to take much more of it" and then "wham!" Bash Sheila's face in with the first thing she could get her hands on to shut that "b---h" up. I imagine the first blow went to her mouth. I wonder if Sheila had any broken teeth? Or maybe she was aiming for the mouth to shut her up but hit the nose area instead. Maybe Sheila saw it coming and in a split second lowered her face downward to try and protect it and HM's blow got the top of the nose, by the brain? MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO

ETA: links on nasal trauma:
http://www.healthline.com/health/nasal-trauma. "In some cases, a nasal fracture can damage the bones that attach your nose to your skull. This injury can allow cerebrospinal fluid to leak."

Maybe Sheila choked on blood and spinal fluid?

 

[LinasK]

MOO, get your nails done and don't send your sister's killer any money, not even $20. Guess I hope Sheila's family finds their inner Hard Hearted Hanna and goes the tough love route.

Okay, send her a package with a big bag of RICE every month. :facepalm:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:Good one!

 

[Kamille]

The fools should have sealed up the gap in the suitcase with duct tape, then it may not have leaked and revealed their malicious crime so quickly.

Duct tape is rather heavy. When you've got weight restrictions (SWM was flying Cathay Pacific business class for at least part of the trip) on your luggage you cut weight wherever you can. I never travel with a full roll due to this, just enough for some repairs. Or I buy a very small roll, which you can do now. Used to be you could only get it in the larger contractor rolls. So...they may have used up all the tape available before trying to close the suitcase.

Also the hard sided suitcases get more actual holes in them then the soft sided ones get tears. And any suitcase with wheels is at risk to be broken where the wheels are. As I've said, an entire corner of my suitcase was missing, including the wheel and the plastic around it. If not for the lining, items would have fallen out. And I think SWM was a pretty smart woman and seasoned traveller. I don't think the hard sided suitcase makes a difference for luggage damage. I think she brought the tape with her. Not sure how readily available it is in third world countries as it's considered pretty expensive here. Never tried to ask anyone. :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Hiandmighty]

They still aren't talking:

http://www.thebalitimes.com/2014/09/01/police-not-yet-reveals-motive-in-the-murder-of-american/

 

[seattlechiquita]

They still aren't talking:

http://www.thebalitimes.com/2014/09/01/police-not-yet-reveals-motive-in-the-murder-of-american/

I wonder if they are stupid/arrogant enough to think Indonesia is going to change its law to accommodate their 'want' (not need, WANT) of an american attorney. As if :laughing:

 

[Quester]

Haha! I thought they were saying "Squat, squat, etc" - was just perusing TS' websta gansta acct and he wrote "Squad"!

 

[tarjessi]

Haha! I thought they were saying "Squat, squat, etc" - was just perusing TS' websta gansta acct and he wrote "Squad"!

Hahaha I thought they were saying squat as well...which was just really weird. Squad makes a bit more sense...

 

[tarjessi]

I wonder if they are stupid/arrogant enough to think Indonesia is going to change its law to accommodate their 'want' (not need, WANT) of an american attorney. As if :laughing:

It will never happen...but what they don't realise is not talking is going to them treated much more harshly in Bali. They really might get the firing squad for their continued indignant attitude because the judges they will be up against won't look favourably on that type of behaviour. If HM and TS weren't such belligerent idiots they might realise that these people would be telling them how they are supposed to behave so that they are treated less harshly. No jury kiddos and a crack defence lawyer to sway sympathy from the people...I bet they aren't listening one little bit. I hope once they are convicted that the media forgets about their existence.

Not one bit of remorse from them at all...HM seems to think this is all one big old laugh and she is somehow going to get away with this. I doubt this will happen, but if they were let go for any reason and head back to the US...would the US consider prosecution?

 

[SouthAussie]

Duct tape is rather heavy. When you've got weight restrictions (SWM was flying Cathay Pacific business class for at least part of the trip) on your luggage you cut weight wherever you can. I never travel with a full roll due to this, just enough for some repairs. Or I buy a very small roll, which you can do now. Used to be you could only get it in the larger contractor rolls. So...they may have used up all the tape available before trying to close the suitcase.

Also the hard sided suitcases get more actual holes in them then the soft sided ones get tears. And any suitcase with wheels is at risk to be broken where the wheels are. As I've said, an entire corner of my suitcase was missing, including the wheel and the plastic around it. If not for the lining, items would have fallen out. And I think SWM was a pretty smart woman and seasoned traveller. I don't think the hard sided suitcase makes a difference for luggage damage. I think she brought the tape with her. Not sure how readily available it is in third world countries as it's considered pretty expensive here. Never tried to ask anyone. :waitasec:

MOO

I had earlier found that there is a manufacturer of duct tape in Indonesia. http://pt-okamoto-indonesia.imexbb.com/
And at least one major supplier of duct tape there as well. http://lakbanmurah.itrademarket.com/
So it probably can be bought in shops there, by people with enough money.

But I do think it is far more likely that the duct tape they used was either brought by Sheila, in a smaller quantity, or obtained in the hotel somewhere .. janitor's room, maybe.


(Sorry, I was being a bit facetious in my previous post about sealing the suitcase with duct tape. :blushing:
Someone would have opened it anyway, when they felt how heavy it was and they could not find Sheila. And those kids were going nowhere without a passport. )

 

[nightwatch]

They still aren't talking:

http://www.thebalitimes.com/2014/09/01/police-not-yet-reveals-motive-in-the-murder-of-american/

"If they don't want to talk that's their right. But proving is related to the facts and evidence in the field" quoted from the above article is music to my ears. [emoji18]

ciao

 

[SouthAussie]

Interesting little article/interview here about the court process in Indonesia.

Article 66 of the Criminal Procedure Code specifically states that the burden of proof to prove guilt in a criminal case lies with the prosecution.
In other words, that unless the prosecution can prove guilt, the person is innocent.

The problem that Schapelle Corby faces, whether guilty or innocent, is that her defence team has put virtually no serious evidence before the court that would tend to suggest, or it would tend to support any hypothesis that would support her innocence.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1356362.htm

BBM: I have a feeling that this will be the case with HM and TS. There will be many things proving their guilt, and not too much (or any?) believable info supporting their innocence.

 

[Kamille]

It will never happen...but what they don't realise is not talking is going to them treated much more harshly in Bali. They really might get the firing squad for their continued indignant attitude because the judges they will be up against won't look favourably on that type of behaviour. If HM and TS weren't such belligerent idiots they might realise that these people would be telling them how they are supposed to behave so that they are treated less harshly. No jury kiddos and a crack defence lawyer to sway sympathy from the people...I bet they aren't listening one little bit. I hope once they are convicted that the media forgets about their existence.

Not one bit of remorse from them at all...HM seems to think this is all one big old laugh and she is somehow going to get away with this. I doubt this will happen, but if they were let go for any reason and head back to the US...would the US consider prosecution?

I think one of the problems of them not giving a statement is that it gives the prosecution the ability to tell the story of what they believe happened based on the evidence, without any counter claims from the defendants. Thus the prosecution would have an easier time of charging premeditated murder on both of them I suppose. And their silence and obvious lack of remorse will make it difficult for them to ask for any leniency in their sentence.



MOO

 

[tarjessi]

Interesting little article/interview here about the court process in Indonesia.




BBM: I have a feeling that this will be the case with HM and TS. There will be many things proving their guilt, and not too much (or any?) believable info supporting their innocence.

Yeah I thought I remembered that about Schapelle...there was no real evidence to prove she didn't smuggle the drugs either. Cheers for the link South Aussie. There is no one supporting Heather so who does she think is going to present evidence that she didn't do it? I think this is going to be fairly clear cut and those kids have no idea what's coming. They say ignorance is bliss...

 

[Mountain Misst]

Interesting little article/interview here about the court process in Indonesia.

BBM: I have a feeling that this will be the case with HM and TS. There will be many things proving their guilt, and not too much (or any?) believable info supporting their innocence.

Has anyone picked up on the case load of the courts in Bali - like how long it will be until a trial?

 

[SouthAussie]

Has anyone picked up on the case load of the courts in Bali - like how long it will be until a trial?

Jake Drage just had his first court appearance .. two months after his arrest .. but that is in Sukabumi, about 1,000km away. I think the court appearance was to formally charge him, and is not his actual trial.

http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...ndonesian-prison/story-fncynjr2-1227045902893

 

[Mountain Misst]

I don't think this link has been posted before - has a short video from the Indonesian English language news broadcast, plus subtitles.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/us-teen-held-bali-suitcase-killing-assaulted-custody/

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't think this link has been posted before - has a short video from the Indonesian English language news broadcast, plus subtitles.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/us-teen-held-bali-suitcase-killing-assaulted-custody/

Thanks MM. So they have been deemed 'normal' and aware of their actions. Presumably that means no mind-altering interference from drugs either.