GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #3

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  • #621
I wonder if HM went on her little hunger strike in the hopes that they would send her back to the US for the 'sake of the baby'. And they probably just put her in the police hospital and put her on an IV instead, till she was hydrated and nourished enough to go back to jail. I doubt that they have any rules about non-restraint of hospital patients in Indonesia. Still trying to manipulate, no doubt, with no thought for the health of her child.

It's frustrating getting no news. That incident was not reported at the time either. I guess no one in Bali really cares about these two and don't find the story interesting any more. And I guess after that incident, HM found out that no one in the US really cares either. It also never made the news there. So she'll just have to sit and wait to find out her fate at the trial just like the rest of us. Well at least I'm not waiting in a jail cell. :)

MOO
 
  • #622
We have to put it in perspective. Even in the US, people can sit in jail for months filing motions and delays before the real trial ever begins. I seem to recall reading early on that HM is almost certain to deliver her child before this is all over - and that is months away.

But I'm impatient, too.
 
  • #623
Move over, Heather. You're going to be sharing a cell. And you may have a few things in common.

Bali body: Indonesian woman accused of arranging murder of husband who held Australian and British passports

Police have arrested the man's 45-year-old Indonesian wife, who went to police to report her husband missing soon after the body was found, for allegedly arranging his murder.

Badung police captain Wisnu Wardana alleges the woman was motivated by money.

The wife had been in the house at the time of the killing but told police that she was in her room when it took place, detective Wardana said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-22/woman-accused-of-arranging-murder-of-husband-in-bali/5833256

Police have staged a re-enactment of the killing of an Australian businessman, organised by his Indonesian wife.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/10/22/sons-aussie-slain-bali-remember-dad?cid=trending

Photos at this link
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wor...ing-in-australia/story-fnhrvhol-1227098642041
 
  • #624
We have to put it in perspective. Even in the US, people can sit in jail for months filing motions and delays before the real trial ever begins. I seem to recall reading early on that HM is almost certain to deliver her child before this is all over - and that is months away.

But I'm impatient, too.


Me too!! It is true that there can be significant delays pre-trial once the process begins in the US. I'm just mystified why there have been no updates specifically regarding the delay, but maybe the police and prosecutors want to limit the high profile attention the case has gotten given the numerous variations of information released to date, I'm resigned to Quester's timeline of 11/13/14 before we next get an update.
 
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Wow, the wife will probably get the Firing Squad. Do you think so? What about her helpers?

She is going to be charged with the same things as HM & TS (article 338 for murder and article 340 for premeditated murder) .... so I imagine her outcome will be the same. Whatever that will be. They are still looking for 4 of the 5 helpers - not counting the housemaids. Wife paid $14,000 for her husband's murder ... as opposed to Sheila paying airfares and room charges for her own murder. :mad:

Maybe she and HM are discussing the events right now, over a breakfast bowl of rice.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/b...ed-police-allege/story-fnh81fz8-1227100231854
 
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While waiting for more SvWM news, I poked around for any other recent case of matricide by a teen daughter. They are so rare.
Found the murder case of Jennifer Jackson has similarities to the murder case of SvWM. If this has already been discussed, please disregard.
Jennifer's 18-year-old daughter, Noura, was convicted of murdering her mom and sentenced to 20 years in 2009. It's as though Noura and HM have the same playbook. It appeared the mom was sleeping when ambushed and stabbed 50 times. Noura claimed it was intruders who broke in. Noura's dad had died and left a considerable inheritance that Noura seemed to expect when she turned 18. Noura was a spoiled only-child who who rebelled when Jennifer tried to rein in the wild parties. When the home intruder story didn't work, Noura said it must have been Jennifer's BF who did it. Like HM, it seems Noura got someone else to help. Unfortunately, there was no CCTV of accomplices, yet DNA evidence to support Noura was not alone. Like SvWM's case there is scant or little DNA evidence that the Noura did it herself. Must have been at friends house/ hiding in the bathroom.
There is a 48 hours episode here where Noura manufactures tears and laments that she has to defend herself:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-mystery-my-mothers-murder-08-06-2011/2/
There's background here:
http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/...der-sentenced-to-20-years-9-months-in-prison/
 
  • #631
http://www.mainstreet.com/article/w...hat-heather-mack-is-teaching-about-teen-money

Just an article with some speculation. No new information, it just came up in my alerts. If it's been posted I'll delete.

Too bad this person didn't do their homework and understand that JM did NOT leave a half million dollars to HM. He had no idea he would ever collect on that lawsuit. That money was awarded 5 years after his death. And it was probably settled because he died.

MOO
 
  • #632
While waiting for more SvWM news, I poked around for any other recent case of matricide by a teen daughter. They are so rare.
Found the murder case of Jennifer Jackson has similarities to the murder case of SvWM. If this has already been discussed, please disregard.
Jennifer's 18-year-old daughter, Noura, was convicted of murdering her mom and sentenced to 20 years in 2009. It's as though Noura and HM have the same playbook. It appeared the mom was sleeping when ambushed and stabbed 50 times. Noura claimed it was intruders who broke in. Noura's dad had died and left a considerable inheritance that Noura seemed to expect when she turned 18. Noura was a spoiled only-child who who rebelled when Jennifer tried to rein in the wild parties. When the home intruder story didn't work, Noura said it must have been Jennifer's BF who did it. Like HM, it seems Noura got someone else to help. Unfortunately, there was no CCTV of accomplices, yet DNA evidence to support Noura was not alone. Like SvWM's case there is scant or little DNA evidence that the Noura did it herself. Must have been at friends house/ hiding in the bathroom.
There is a 48 hours episode here where Noura manufactures tears and laments that she has to defend herself:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-mystery-my-mothers-murder-08-06-2011/2/
There's background here:
http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/...der-sentenced-to-20-years-9-months-in-prison/


And it appears she's got a lot of supporters who think she's innocent and has recently been granted a new trial. I think she did it and should have gotten a first degree conviction. Not sure where the evolution of DNA in cases was in 2005 when this happened. Might explain why that hair wasn't tested. But when the investigators and the DA make mistakes, this is what happens. Convictions are overturned and new trials are granted.

http://www.memphisdailynews.com/new...court-orders-new-trial-in-noura-jackson-case/
 
  • #633
And it appears she's got a lot of supporters who think she's innocent and has recently been granted a new trial. I think she did it and should have gotten a first degree conviction. Not sure where the evolution of DNA in cases was in 2005 when this happened. Might explain why that hair wasn't tested. But when the investigators and the DA make mistakes, this is what happens. Convictions are overturned and new trials are granted.

http://www.memphisdailynews.com/new...court-orders-new-trial-in-noura-jackson-case/

yes, I think investigators messed up and she should have gotten 1st degree...
Check out how she sets-up still another friend, Andrew Hammack:
"...The evidence the court ruled was improperly withheld was a third statement given to the police by Andrew Hammack, a friend of Noura Jackson, whom she identified as a suspect in the murder and whom police considered a possible suspect initially.

Hammack told police in the statement that he was using the drug ecstasy the night of the murder and that he left his phone in the car of a friend that night...

...Hammack’s testimony on the point was crucial because he claimed Noura Jackson called him and told him she was at the house during the time when the murder happened and that she wanted him to meet her there and walk into the house with her....

Why, oh why, won't Hammack roll under the bus, like a good boy for Noura, and go into the house with her?
 
  • #634
While waiting for more SvWM news, I poked around for any other recent case of matricide by a teen daughter. They are so rare. [SBM]

It's such a horrible thing: a girl killing her own mother.

There's another awful case, that of the identical twins Tasmiya and Yasmiyah Whitehead, who murdered their mother in 2010 when they were just 16.

Like the Sheila von Wiese Mack case, the mother had been attacked by her daughters before, and the girls had faced juvenile court. They also stole money from family members. In spite of all that had happened as the daughters became more violent and unruly, another family member said after the murder, "Nikki [the mother and murder victim] still loved those girls."

As to the murder, of course the daughters, like Heather Mack, said they didn't do it and didn't know who did. (At least they weren't crazy enough to attribute the crime to a gang, although their story began to unravel thanks in part to some CCTV footage.)

When they finally began to talk, the story told put the mother in a very bad light, including the claim that the knife which was used to stab the mother multiple times, had originally been wielded by the mother herself. Mother murderers, it seems, like to blame mom.

One friend of the victim later said, "They showed no remorse. No emotion. They said nothing." Which sounds just like Heather Mack.

The twins were kept apart after arrest. They are now both serving 30 year sentences.

See: http://murderpedia.org/female.W/w/whitehead-sisters.htm

Four years after the murder the two finally confessed. You can see some excerpts from the video-taped confessions at the site below, which includes the video along with a story. The local news station which broadcast part of the confessions noted that the prosecutor isn't sure if they are even telling the truth now or if the apparent remorse is genuine.

See: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ess-killing-mom-late-school-article-1.1793291
 
  • #635
Too bad this person didn't do their homework and understand that JM did NOT leave a half million dollars to HM. He had no idea he would ever collect on that lawsuit. That money was awarded 5 years after his death. And it was probably settled because he died.

MOO

I think the author makes a valid point and considering the legal aspects of the settlement money and how that played out over the long period of time, it would not suprise me in the least if HM viewed SWM as having "stolen" her money, given their relationship and that it was an ongoing source of major friction between the two.

I've never seen any of the Probate file documents published but I'm pretty sure he actually did. Remember the bequest intended to be used for the care of HM alone in the form of the trust that excluded all other children? That is why SWM had to petition the court asking that she be named the sole beneficiary of the $500,000 out of the 1.5 million award. That share was supposed to go into JM's estate and into the trust for HM. SWM was paid outright some $360,000 from the award, but she could not touch the $500k without an order from the court. JM would not have to know while he was alive and when he made his will if they were going to prevail or not, his death did not extinguish his interest. The lawsuit was underway and if they won there would be money that belonged to both of them and if they didn't then, there would be nothing to go into the trust to honor the bequest.

I'm sure there was a document that covered any possible proceeds from the suit contained within the will for the establishment of the trust and at any rate the reason the suit settled would have no bearing on the disposition of the estate.
 
  • #636
This page from the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County website may be of interest to people here. (I should note that Oak Park is in Cook County.) It gives a capsule snapshot of the court proceedings arising from the death of James L. Mack. It only offers the scantiest of detail as to each each court session, and many records on this page refer to filings which did not take place during court sessions.

I think some Websleuths may be able to tease out some detail with further inquiries. There are some intriguing elements hinted at in this long list.

http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.o...&CASEINFOPage=4210&PLtype=1&Ncase=2006P008443
 
  • #637
That's the register of actions and looks pretty routine, at least I'm not seeing anything unexpected.
 
  • #638
I think the author makes a valid point and considering the legal aspects of the settlement money and how that played out over the long period of time, it would not suprise me in the least if HM viewed SWM as having "stolen" her money, given their relationship and that it was an ongoing source of major friction between the two.

I've never seen any of the Probate file documents published but I'm pretty sure he actually did. Remember the bequest intended to be used for the care of HM alone in the form of the trust that excluded all other children? That is why SWM had to petition the court asking that she be named the sole beneficiary of the $500,000 out of the 1.5 million award. That share was supposed to go into JM's estate and into the trust for HM. SWM was paid outright some $360,000 from the award, but she could not touch the $500k without an order from the court. JM would not have to know while he was alive and when he made his will if they were going to prevail or not, his death did not extinguish his interest. The lawsuit was underway and if they won there would be money that belonged to both of them and if they didn't then, there would be nothing to go into the trust to honor the bequest.

I'm sure there was a document that covered any possible proceeds from the suit contained within the will for the establishment of the trust and at any rate the reason the suit settled would have no bearing on the disposition of the estate.

What I'm suggesting is that when JM created that will he had about $150,000 in assets listed in that trust. Is that correct? I'm lost about all this trust stuff. So the Linden Ave house was not part of this trust? Basically he drew up a will that allotted the condo in Hyde Park to only his minor daughter and the Linden Ave house to his wife? And he only had a bank account in his name only with about $1800 in it that also went to HM?

That condo was sold the year after his death. So does that mean those funds are still in trust for HM?

So what I'm saying is that he may not have known how a settlement would be divided and that by creating the will as he did, he set HM up to receive anything he received after his death as well. Which may not have been his intention and may be what SWM was able to successfully argue? Her brother was the executor so he would likely know the intent?

I just don't think he ever intended for HM to get all that money is my point.

MOO
 
  • #639
Although I do believe that HM still would have considered everything hers.

MOO
 
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This page from the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County website may be of interest to people here. (I should note that Oak Park is in Cook County.) It gives a capsule snapshot of the court proceedings arising from the death of James L. Mack. It only offers the scantiest of detail as to each each court session, and many records on this page refer to filings which did not take place during court sessions.

I think some Websleuths may be able to tease out some detail with further inquiries. There are some intriguing elements hinted at in this long list.

http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.o...&CASEINFOPage=4210&PLtype=1&Ncase=2006P008443

Looks like a couple of claims filed against the estate? One from a bank (condo was carrying a mortgage?) and another from an L. Howard?

I suppose the estate was left open due to the pending lawsuit since it was obviously the "Estate of James L Mack" who was pursuing the suit after his death?

MOO
 
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