GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #4

[SouthAussie]

Dammit ... dammit ... dammit .... Andrew and Myuran have lost their brief for a 2nd judicial review. Dammit ...... :crying:

 

[Orange Tabby]

Here ya go. Doesn't look like anyone is in the big chair yet. Looks as though they are off to the side at one of those benches.
(Be good if they could spell February .. I keep correcting it for them - from Febrary.)

I'm wondering what time their court hours are. Is it possible that they have court later in the day sometimes, when it is a bit cooler?

Ta very much!

Your idea about court hours makes sense. I would not have thought about that aspect of it at all, as here in Chicago we've just had a terrible winter storm: cold, wind, and so much snow it is hard to walk or drive anywhere. I hope Heather is missing snow. Missing it very much.

 

[Orange Tabby]

Dammit ... dammit ... dammit .... Andrew and Myuran have lost their brief for a 2nd judicial review. Dammit ...... :crying:

Absolutely heartbreaking. I just read about it on a couple of Aussie news sites. I'd never even heard of these guys half a year ago but over the past five months I have learned a lot about them and I am devastated by this terrible news.

When I first saw the "I Stand for Mercy" video, it reduced me to tears. And I don't even know who anyone in that video is! (Except Germaine Greer.)

 

[Orange Tabby]

Interesting, isn't it, that Heather finally decides to express love for her mother and to seek pity from the public on the eve of that part of the trial which will expose all the evidence against her?

 

[FigTree]

There's something amiss here - Previous clients of Ary Soenardi have mentioned more than once that the code is to 'Keep Your Mouth Shut' about everything - no media - no interviews.
(I will have to go back to retrieve links)

The fact that HM has done several interviews over the course of a few days to the Chicago Tribute goes against that code.
Who then directed that the interviews would be a go ahead, and would good idea?
There is nothing but some strategy behind this - (as suggested by posters above)

Did the paper pay for the interview? and if it did, who received the money for it?

If Ary Soenardi had approved the interview then it was for his own benefit foremost - he (they) need those payments from the trust fund to eventuate - and soon, because this court is proceeding with out the money - and yet now we see a second appeal which no doubt does 2 things - requires more money for legal fees and extends the proceedings.

I am aghast at the dribble that HM said in the interview -

Mack, speaking on a cellphone with a video feed, said she was compelled to contact her hometown newspaper because her Indonesian criminal defense attorney is not being paid from her trust fund as ordered.

Why contact a US news paper to tell that story too if you wanted results regarding the payments.
Why is not your Lawyer attending to the financials professionally.
What is making this public announcement directed to US lawyers, attempting to do? Threaten other US legals into thinking they will be sacked because they are not dancing to the Mack/Soenardi drum?

Speculation but, maybe HM has been wildly promising things to others that she cant deliver and is now panicking.

Mack said her attorney, Aly Soenardi, received only the first payment. She blamed the three Chicago-area attorneys who have been assisting her with the trust issues and said she is seeking to have them fired from her case. Attorneys Michael Elkin and Anthony Scifo said they have not been notified of any intention to remove them from the case. A third attorney, Vanessa Favia, who represents Mack's unborn child, also said she was unaware that Mack plans to seek her removal.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-bali-defendant-interview-met-20150203-story.html

 

[SouthAussie]

And she may have been told by her US attorneys ... no, we can't go back to court and force the 2nd and 3rd payments. Ary hasn't submitted his detailed account yet ... or ... Ary has submitted an account and it doesn't add up, according to the trustee.

So she tries to force the issue by making a public appeal, approved by Ary, as FigTree says. But she evidently has not read the comments on oakpark.com .... no-one cares, Heather. You did the crime, now do the time (without that little innocent baby paying the price too).

 

[Orange Tabby]

FigTree, you raise interesting questions. I can’t answer them all, but have a few thoughts:

1. Papers like the Chicago Tribune never pay for interviews. Firstly, because it would violate standards set a long time ago which remain in place if for no other reason than there isn’t money in the budget to weaken those standards. Secondly, even if a reporter here or there tried to get round the rule by passing a reluctant source a twenty now and again, no one would ever pay someone accused of murder. It would ruin their career if it ever become public. And like it or not, this murder is not a truly big story in Chicago.

2. I don’t rule out Ary Soenardi encouraging the interview, but I have no idea whose idea it was. The interview had at least two possible goals: (a) to make Heather look more sympathetic (epic fail); and (b) to establish she is denied proper legal representation for lack of funds (this clearly would benefit Mr. Ary, but who cares?).

3. American public relations is a constantly evolving profession. Now that more and more people on trial are trying to use PR to their advantage, I stand by my claim in an earlier post that the precise timing with the Chicago Tribune means that the interview was chosen specifically to attempt to inoculate certain elements of public opinion before the damning evidence was made public. I don’t think the strategy will work, but when you are guilty, sometimes merely reducing a harsh public reaction is all you can hope for.

4. Public statements by and for Heather and Tommy have all along been inept, counter-productive, and at times truly disgusting. This latest public foray is simply more of the same.

5. I don’t see Heather’s public statements as having much of an effect on her American lawyers. We already saw that Scifo claimed in a court document that Elkin had been sacked. Yet Elkin hovers under foot like a eager puppy. Some of these lawyers are in it for the long haul -- because they smell money, because they are idiots, or both.

6. I agree with you that Heather is panicking. It is a common reaction by guilty people who begin to realize their previous manipulative strategies won't save them in a court of law.

 

[FigTree]

There should be some way for William Wiese to appeal his decision and get someone to understand just what is going on here.

MOO

Possibly (in lieu that there is no other alternative legally currently we have seen) William Wiese may be doing something about it, but at this point the responsibility is resting on the appointed others shoulders, and this does take the heat off him in some ways so he can appeal or find some loop-hole to resurrect his role as his sister wanted.

As for a conflict of interest I have a partial agreement - this relieves WW of some of the backlash that may have been planned to sling his way from the HM camp.

... and, William Wiese could have not sold SvM's house and there would be much less cash in the coffer for HM to feel she was entitled to - or, he could have sold it for well under market price ($1.00) - which he didn't do.
He is acting reasonably, under the circumstances - doing his duty.
With HM not there - what was going to happen to the house and who was going to manage the property, let alone the going through possessions and tying up all of SvWM's paperwork and the rest.
Even without the complication that HM has brought upon herself and her uncle, it seems WW has already put in a decent amount of work to keep the trust secure.
It is HM's entitlement to access it which will see it dwindled away - not her uncles irresponsibility.
She cannot blame him for any delays now.
It will be up to others to determine the release of such funds.
No wonder she wants to sack everyone.

 

[FigTree]

FigTree, you raise interesting questions. I can’t answer them all, but have a few thoughts:

1. Papers like the Chicago Tribune never pay for interviews. Firstly, because it would violate standards set a long time ago which remain in place if for no other reason than there isn’t money in the budget to weaken those standards. Secondly, even if a reporter here or there tried to get round the rule by passing a reluctant source a twenty now and again, no one would ever pay someone accused of murder. It would ruin their career if it ever become public. And like it or not, this murder is not a truly big story in Chicago.

2. I don’t rule out Ary Soenardi encouraging the interview, but I have no idea whose idea it was. The interview had at least two possible goals: (a) to make Heather look more sympathetic (epic fail); and (b) to establish she is denied proper legal representation for lack of funds (this clearly would benefit Mr. Ary, but who cares?).

3. American public relations is a constantly evolving profession. Now that more and more people on trial are trying to use PR to their advantage, I stand by my claim in an earlier post that the precise timing with the Chicago Tribune means that the interview was chosen specifically to attempt to inoculate certain elements of public opinion before the damning evidence was made public. I don’t think the strategy will work, but when you are guilty, sometimes merely reducing a harsh public reaction is all you can hope for.

4. Public statements by and for Heather and Tommy have all along been inept, counter-productive, and at times truly disgusting. This latest public foray is simply more of the same.

5. I don’t see Heather’s public statements as having much of an effect on her American lawyers. We already saw that Scifo claimed in a court document that Elkin had been sacked. Yet Elkin hovers under foot like a eager puppy. Some of these lawyers are in it for the long haul -- because they smell money, because they are idiots, or both.

6. I agree with you that Heather is panicking. It is a common reaction by guilty people who begin to realize their previous manipulative strategies won't save them in a court of law.

:cheers:

Thanks Orange Tabby!
Interesting about the newspapers! I didn't know that.

 

[SouthAussie]

Well, I'm not seeing anything in the media about today's trial proceedings. As I said in an earlier post, I don't remember seeing much about the day-to-day proceedings in Schapelle's case or the Bali Nine's cases. Just lots of photos of them being jostled by media as they were entering and leaving the court. And some court photos too.

And I noticed this article about a Calgary teacher who is currently on trial for child sex offences in Indonesia. His wife is complaining about the gag order that the judges have put on the proceedings. But I am not sure if it is a special gag order, or just a typical gag order.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/02/0...-former-calgary-teacher-neil-bantlemans-trial


It is almost 8pm in Bali. The sun went down about 1½ hours ago. They must be well back in Kerobokan by now, and be locked in their cells for the night.

 

[newone]

o/t perhaps but whenever I see HM and her man in their best outfits -- all I can think of is isn't that sweet -- they're ''courting''

 

[Orange Tabby]

Well, I'm not seeing anything in the media about today's trial proceedings. As I said in an earlier post, I don't remember seeing much about the day-to-day proceedings in Schapelle's case or the Bali Nine's cases. Just lots of photos of them being jostled by media as they were entering and leaving the court. And some court photos too.

And I noticed this article about a Calgary teacher who is currently on trial for child sex offences in Indonesia. His wife is complaining about the gag order that the judges have put on the proceedings. But I am not sure if it is a special gag order, or just a typical gag order.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/02/0...-former-calgary-teacher-neil-bantlemans-trial

It is almost 8pm in Bali. The sun went down about 1½ hours ago. They must be well back in Kerobokan by now, and be locked in their cells for the night.

I've been puzzled by the radio silence as well.

A tentative guess: this trial is of primary interest outside Indonesia, possibly in the US for the most part. So the writers on deadline are aiming to produce something before Americans sit down to breakfast. If there is a lot to report, they may need more time than was used on Monday to write an article, because clearly that hearing must have been rather short.

But still, where's the news??!!

 

[SouthAussie]

The Aussie media put their first editions online at around midnight eastern Australia time, so in about 40 mins or so. Maybe they will publish something about HM and TS then, seeing as every other edition has been filled with our other Bali news.

 

[Orange Tabby]

Here's a startlingly unflattering pic of Heather in the holding cells:

https://ph.celebrity.yahoo.com/phot...-her-witness-trial-start-photo-121829613.html

If SouthAussie thinks it's worth posting directly here on our thread, you'll see it soon without any need to employ my link. She's brilliant at posting photos. I'm a klutz.

 

[SouthAussie]

Here's a startlingly unflattering pic of Heather in the holding cells:

https://ph.celebrity.yahoo.com/phot...-her-witness-trial-start-photo-121829613.html

If SouthAussie thinks it's worth posting directly here on our thread, you'll see it soon without any need to employ my link. She's brilliant at posting photos. I'm a klutz.

Hahahahaha ... how could I resist this one??! Not even reducing the size of it! I notice that she couldn't quite squeeze a tear out though, despite the look of 'anguish'.

(Boy, her baby belly is getting huge all of a sudden! Baby sure is liking those pizzas and burgers. Or is she sticking it out for effect? Wasn't that big yesterday. :thinking

 

[Orange Tabby]

Hahahahaha ... how could I resist this one??!

You come through again! Thank you!

"I thought deleted text messages don't count. Damn."

 

[tarjessi]

Hahahahaha ... how could I resist this one??! Not even reducing the size of it! I notice that she couldn't quite squeeze a tear out though, despite the look of 'anguish'.

(Boy, her baby belly is getting huge all of a sudden! Baby sure is liking those pizzas and burgers. Or is she sticking it out for effect? Wasn't that big yesterday. :thinking

She would be used to pulling that face...the sook face...to get what she wanted in the past. What a shame the only person who fell for it was the mother she consistently abused and is now dead at her own hand. No one will ever cry for you again Heather. Hopefully your daughter won't ever know who you are. I hope the child is adopted out and allowed to have a normal life.

 

[SouthAussie]

 

[newone]

there comes a time no matter how brightly your pedicure shines, you simply cannot see your toes when you are preggers

 

[SouthAussie]

No article yet ... just another pic.

Tommy Schaefer (L) of the US sits inside a prison van at Kerobokan prison in Denpasar on Bali island on February 4, 2015

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail...s-inside-a-prison-van-at-news-photo/462732064