GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #4

[gitana1]

According to the Chicago Tribune on January 16:

The judge also appointed an interim trustee regarding the legal fees because, Cohen said, Mack's uncle could receive proceeds from the trust if she is executed and her baby girl does not survive.​

BBM. See: http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-82554099/

It’s interesting that Judge Cohen appears to believe that Stella stands between Heather and William Wiese as Sheila’s beneficiary. He doesn’t seem to think that Heather’s guilt would disqualify Stella, because if Heather is executed, Cohen says that Stella would have to die before WW would benefit from the trust.

I don’t think this is a particularly strong indication that Stella would automatically be next in line to inherit if Heather is found to have intentionally and unjustifiably caused the death of her mother, because that question wasn’t directly before Judge Cohen.

But it’s worth noting.

I don't think HM's conviction, if there is one, would negate the baby from being the next in line to inherit Sheila's estate. It should IMO, because SWM did list an alternate heir in her brother I believe. Maybe gitana1 will know more about that. I can't see any other reason why an attorney would latch herself on to an unborn child that she is not getting paid to represent.

MOO

If Stella inherited and didn't leave a will, the property would go to her daughter. If the slayer rule becomes in affect, I believe she would not receive the trust and since Stella is not named as an alternate beneficiary, it seems the monies might go to whoever else is listed in the trust as an alternate. Or if no one is, then whoever is next in line to Sheila via intestate succession. I believe that would be her brother, but I'm not sure.

 

[Orange Tabby]

If Stella inherited and didn't leave a will, the property would go to her daughter. If the slayer rule becomes in affect, I believe she would not receive the trust and since Stella is not named as an alternate beneficiary, it seems the monies might go to whoever else is listed in the trust as an alternate. Or if no one is, then whoever is next in line to Sheila via intestate succession. I believe that would be her brother, but I'm not sure.

Illinois has a posthumous child clause in its rules of descent and distribution. But to me, a layman, it seems only to apply to the estates of fathers, not grandparents. What do you think?

(755 ILCS 5/2-3) (from Ch. 110 1/2, par. 2-3)
Sec. 2-3. Posthumous child.) A posthumous child of a decedent shall receive the same share of an estate as if the child had been born in the decedent's lifetime.
(Source: P.A. 84-390.)

Illinois Compiled Statutes
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...&ChapterID=60&SeqStart=3700000&SeqEnd=5000000

I'm perplexed by the part of your post which I've put in bold. I think maybe a sentence you drafted was accidentally deleted. Or did you mean to write Heather (instead of Stella) and are talking about what would happen if Heather first inherited her mother's estate and then died without a will?

 

[Weezer Fan]

In which/whose Will did it state that the inheritance was to go to 'no other child' - because I kept thinking that technically, any child (Stella) is 'another child'?

That was James Mack's will. It stated that his minor daughter, Heather, got everything and his other children got nothing. He had several other children from previous relationship(s). It could be this wording in JM's will is why HM always felt entitled to the money. I feel she thought it was hers, and that her mother "stole" it from her. JMO.

 

[Orange Tabby]

I don’t know how reliable Nolo.com is, but here’s what their website says about posthumous relatives under Illinois’s intestate succession laws:

Here are a few other things to know about Illinois intestacy laws.
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Posthumous relatives. Relatives conceived before -- but born after -- you die inherit as if they had been born while you were alive.​

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/intestate-succession-illinois.html

Wouldn't this put Stella, as a direct descendent of Sheila, before William Wiese?

 

[zwiebel]

The poor baby.

One grandmom murdered, a grandpa dead, mom and dad charged with murder. And used as a valuable pawn before she's even born.

What a legacy.

 

[tarjessi]

The poor baby.

One grandmom murdered, a grandpa dead, mom and dad charged with murder. And used as a valuable pawn before she's even born.

What a legacy.

This is honestly why I hope the little girl is adopted out and able to have a normal life without knowing who her parents really were. I don't think the poor child can have a normal life otherwise.

 

[tarjessi]

To put it in context - 50,000 British Pounds =

Indonesia $: 50,000.00 GBP = 968,413,282.20 IDR
American $: 50,000.00 GBP = 76,276.83 USD
Australian $: 50,000.00 GBP = 98,161.49 AUD

I have been watching the recent revelations unfold regarding this case.
What has been allowed to happen in Sandifords case highlights the extent of the corruption - and not just what money can buy you in Kerobokan prison ... (the suspension of Britain’s top diplomat in Bali, vice-consul Alys Harahap, 31, over her jail romance with drug lord Julian Ponder).

On another note: It also made me think about the amount of contact the HM & TS can have :thinking: and her recent medical issues.



Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Row-told-listed-execution.html#ixzz3RMtdeYcV
Jailed drug lord known as Bali's 'Mr Big' admits diplomat was seeing him when she should have been saving Death Row Briton from firing squad

BBM - Indeed...I thought the same thing.

 

[tarjessi]

Two Indonesian judges involved in the Bali nine case have since been sacked for corruption or manipulating cases, calling into question a legal system that seems determined to put Australians Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to death.

Achmad Yamanie, an Indonesian Supreme Court judge, was a member of the judges panel that in 2011 rejected appeals by Chan and Sukumaran and reconfirmed their death sentences. But just a month later, the panel ruled in another case, against one of Indonesia's worst drug criminals, that the death penalty ran contrary to the defendant's constitutional right to life. They commuted it to 15 years' imprisonment.

Mr Yamanie was dishonourably discharged from the court after he then falsified the court documents in the case to reduce the sentence even further from 15 years to 12 years.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wor...-corruption-manipulation-20150212-13btyd.html

 

[Kamille]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wor...-corruption-manipulation-20150212-13btyd.html

Great find tarjessi. I still cannot believe that Judge Cohen released any funds to be sent to Indonesia. It didn't take much for us to find all these examples and they just keep pouring in daily while the President of that country keeps insisting that executions, based on sketchy trials and corruption in the system, will go ahead.


:notgood:

 

[Kamille]

So are we to assume that because of the fact that there didn't appear to be a court appearance this week and HM hasn't been calling her new media friend and complaining about her legal woes, that she might just still be in the hospital?

Or have the authorities clamped down on media access in this case and taken her cell phone away because she's causing an international ruckus? :giggle:

MOO

 

[ajaylee]

If she hadn't looked so calm when they were taking her in, I might have thought she was faking it to stop the court proceedings until Soenardi gets his next $50K installment.

 

[Weezer Fan]

So are we to assume that because of the fact that there didn't appear to be a court appearance this week and HM hasn't been calling her new media friend and complaining about her legal woes, that she might just still be in the hospital?

Or have the authorities clamped down on media access in this case and taken her cell phone away because she's causing an international ruckus? :giggle:

MOO

I wondered the same thing. Especially since they are getting bad press about the Bali 9 executions. Her running her mouth on Skype could have put the whole trial on the down low.

 

[LinasK]

This is honestly why I hope the little girl is adopted out and able to have a normal life without knowing who her parents really were. I don't think the poor child can have a normal life otherwise.

And I hope she's renamed Sheila to honor the grandmother that was killed by her mother.

 

[FigTree]

Great find tarjessi. I still cannot believe that Judge Cohen released any funds to be sent to Indonesia. It didn't take much for us to find all these examples and they just keep pouring in daily while the President of that country keeps insisting that executions, based on sketchy trials and corruption in the system, will go ahead.

:notgood:

I was quite incensed that she even made a point to the media relating to ACh and MS - she was name dropping - totally disrepectful.
Their situation utterly over-rides anything about HM & TS's right now - but somehow HM had to point to her connection.



I think WW made a bold move when he made mention of the Corruption in the Indonesian Legal System. Although there are few actual prosecutions or sackings to refer to, he was right.

I am hoping that Judge Cohen and the new trustee which has been put in place to handle the distribution of money to HM, and Scifo (HM's US Attorney) are now seriously looking at their role and responsibilities in the management of those funds being sent to Indonesia - because they do have responsibility to check every receipt given from Soendari and not to release any further funds in advance if they don't have the paperwork.

HM seems to think that she is entitled to have and spend that money any way she likes once its in her hands (or her Indonesian Lawyers hands) - and really (IMO) if those funds are distributed without scrutinization of the receipts thoroughly from the US side, then those responsible for the distribution are enabling the corruption process overseas - and are manipulating a fair trial and HM's Right to Defend herself. (stay with me ... )

So HM cant really say that she is being denied the right to a FAIR trial or to defend herself - quite the contrary, she is being supported fully through the process of a new Trustee to over see that there is no bias from William Weisse, and that she is not being ripped off in a Country that is known to fleece her of funds for bribery.

What is she really whinging about?
Oh that's right - (IMO) she doesn't want a Fair Trial, she wants to manipulate her defence outcome through bribery. She wants to pay for TS's defence and she chose an Indonesian Lawyer to represent both her and TS who has never done a murder trial - whose reputation is only bolstered by his ability to decrease (for payment) sentences through unfair process - mainly for drug dealers. She is sacking anyone who doesn't play along in her game (via instruction from her Lawyer) and she will use anything she can to manipulate the situation - even her pregnancy, and her baby. It sounds to me like she herself is denying herself the right to defend herself fairly actually.

Incredible how HM thinks that she can sway opinion with her tantrums and pouting about her 'Right To Be able to Defend herself' and that she is 'Innocent of All Charges'.
She should include 'money for bribery to avert the cause of Justice' to that list.
They should give her an invoice for the Emergency Court session that ensued after she caused a 'ruckuss', seeing that she admitted it was her in that Skype interview. They can take it out of that $150k - I recommend that the cost be about $99,999k. And here's what's left over HM - $1.00. Happy shopping.

 

[Hiandmighty]

It does seem outrageous that (it seems) she killed her mother to get the money and now the money is getting handed to her.

 

[tarjessi]

Great find tarjessi. I still cannot believe that Judge Cohen released any funds to be sent to Indonesia. It didn't take much for us to find all these examples and they just keep pouring in daily while the President of that country keeps insisting that executions, based on sketchy trials and corruption in the system, will go ahead.


:notgood:

State sanctioned murder - well in our case country sanctioned murder. This is now a fight of idiotic will. To Indonesia, they will think it is kind of odd we are begging now for mercy when we blatantly handed them over all those years ago via the AFP. I believe they will go ahead to somehow prove they do what they say they will. The thing is it teaches no one anything at all and has hardly stopped people from attempting drug smuggling in any way. So on point 1 - murder as a deterrent - they fail because we all know the system is corrupt and those that go free or get minimal sentences had the money to grease palms. Australia realises that we all know they let these men be handed to corrupt murderers and are now trying to cover their arses. Why isn't our government pursuing charges against the AFP staff who tipped Indonesia off? We have such a weird relationship with Indonesia - we provide them with a lot of aid but then try to laud over them at times.

 

[tarjessi]

Surely the US would pursue murder charges against her if she manages to pay her way out of Bali. You know I had a creepy feeling that maybe the funds had come through and Heather was whisked away to hospital to escape which is why we are hearing of nothing at all. As long as they have Tommy, they have someone to charge. I have no doubt Heather is constantly scheming knowing that money is there for her to use.

 

[tarjessi]

If she hadn't looked so calm when they were taking her in, I might have thought she was faking it to stop the court proceedings until Soenardi gets his next $50K installment.

That would be a typical Heather tactic. Spoilt rotten children hey...there is no benefit to indulging your child at all. Not to your family or the rest of the world. Either we as a society have to bear the brunt of crap parenting or the poor parent bears the brunt or is murdered for continually indulging a spoilt child as a misguided attempt at showing love. I am sure Sheila was a loving woman and Heather was all she had...far out it is just tragic but spoiling your kids to excess is such a bad idea. What good comes out of it?

 

[Weezer Fan]

Surely the US would pursue murder charges against her if she manages to pay her way out of Bali. You know I had a creepy feeling that maybe the funds had come through and Heather was whisked away to hospital to escape which is why we are hearing of nothing at all. As long as they have Tommy, they have someone to charge. I have no doubt Heather is constantly scheming knowing that money is there for her to use.

Oh my, I hadn't thought of this. I hope not!!!

 

[gitana1]

I don’t know how reliable Nolo.com is, but here’s what their website says about posthumous relatives under Illinois’s intestate succession laws:

Here are a few other things to know about Illinois intestacy laws.
[cuts]
Posthumous relatives. Relatives conceived before -- but born after -- you die inherit as if they had been born while you were alive.​

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/intestate-succession-illinois.html

Wouldn't this put Stella, as a direct descendent of Sheila, before William Wiese?

No. Intestate succession doesn't apply here since there was a will and trust.