GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #4

[Kamille]

Looks like Elkin and Favia were there in September so they were only interested in their own fees I suppose. HM was still using a court appointed attorney for free until she herself found this crooked one and probably contacted him with her contraband phone when she got to Kerobokan. I guess this is why they are claiming she fired them? Either she did because they didn't find this guy or wouldn't go the bribe route, or they just don't want their names associated with this anymore so they passed it on to Scifo?

I'm sure they still are going to be billing the estate for their expenses. And they probably will be paid from it. So does this mean that HM just dismissed the lawyer that was supposed to be acting on behalf of her unborn child?

MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Looks like Elkin and Favia were there in September so they were only interested in their own fees I suppose. HM was still using a court appointed attorney for free until she herself found this crooked one and probably contacted him with her contraband phone when she got to Kerobokan. I guess this is why they are claiming she fired them? Either she did because they didn't find this guy or wouldn't go the bribe route, or they just don't want their names associated with this anymore so they passed it on to Scifo?

I'm sure they still are going to be billing the estate for their expenses. And they probably will be paid from it. So does this mean that HM just dismissed the lawyer that was supposed to be acting on behalf of her unborn child?

MOO

Hi Kamille. :seeya: I found a few things that may or may not affect the timeline of the request for funds/lawyers. I have a bit of a lazy-Sunday brain today, so haven't been able to assimilate these items into the other known facts yet. :blush:

They were moved to Kerobokan in December.

Scifo said “Mack’s lawyers” started petitioning Mr Wiese for money in November.

Soenardi is the (shady) lawyer who wanted to $300,000 – then reduced it to $150,000 – presumably in November.

Raja Nasution was her first Indonesian lawyer.


http://www.news.com.au/world/bali-s...-in-front-of-her/story-fndir2ev-1227079609936
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-ch...go-teen-wants-trust-fund-pay-criminal-defense
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/12/10/accused-murder-us-couple-welcome-first-baby-girl.html

 

[Orange Tabby]

The Associated Press reports that:

"A Cook County judge is asking an Indonesian court to delay a trial for a Chicago-area teen accused of killing her mother on the resort island of Bali."​

http://www.wrex.com/story/27876748/judge-wants-stay-in-teens-trial-over-moms-killing-in-bali

 

[SouthAussie]

The Associated Press reports that:

"A Cook County judge is asking an Indonesian court to delay a trial for a Chicago-area teen accused of killing her mother on the resort island of Bali."​

http://www.wrex.com/story/27876748/judge-wants-stay-in-teens-trial-over-moms-killing-in-bali

Hmmm … I wonder how that will fly? They don’t usually cooperate with what other countries want. And they may not comply because a ‘reputable’ lawyer is being sought – seeing that all of their lawyers are reputable in their eyes. Bribes are a well-instituted way of life, just the way business is done. And anyone that thinks that the judiciary in Indonesia are above that, are very wrong.

 

[gracehatter]

The Associated Press reports that:

"A Cook County judge is asking an Indonesian court to delay a trial for a Chicago-area teen accused of killing her mother on the resort island of Bali."​

http://www.wrex.com/story/27876748/judge-wants-stay-in-teens-trial-over-moms-killing-in-bali

Interesting to say the least.

 

[FormerOakParker]

From Kamille's post:"And just imagine the nerve of those two U.S. lawyers asking for a $150,000 RETAINER from HM via her uncle (not their total bill) and then launching a fund raiser in the name of a bogus Christian charity to buy her vitamins and baby clothes. Sickening."

Agree. Ugh!!!
:shame: :sick: :liar:

 

[Kamille]

Seriously? Heather had a lawyer. What's wrong with bringing him back? Just what does this judge think Sheila's money is going to buy as far as representation is concerned? Sounds like her original lawyer was doing a bang up job piling all the blame on TS. So pay him his regular stipend since she is no longer indigent and get on with it.

MOO

 

[Curious Me]

Oh sure, delay her trial, and let Tommy get convicted first and take on the whole crime. We already know they have to try to go with a sudden, rage killing, but there's blaring evidence of her involvement in premeditation. I guess Tommy can't drag her down with him without implicating himself in the premeditation which gets him into firing squad territory. But is everybody forgetting she was looking for someone to kill her mother? Can't stand watching her mother's money being used to wash her clean. She's filthy with her mother's blood on her hands, IMO.

 

[FigTree]

Thanks for the very interesting link!

So William Wiese controls a trust fund worth $1.56 million. We start to get a better picture of the money Heather will never see.

"She said the funds are necessary to preserve her life because if she is convicted, she will likely be executed." This is actually far from true. According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, there were 1,456 murders in Indonesia in 2012. As discussed upthread, there are approximately ten people annually who are sentenced to death in that country, with roughly 50 to 70 percent of those murderers. So Heather is unlikely, purely on statistical grounds, to be sentenced to the firing squad.

I am confident this application will fail. I think it was in the second Sheila thread where there was a long discussion about the legal issues surrounding benefiting from an inheritance in the case of murder. Chicago judges will know the law and will not release a penny of Sheila's money for Heather's defense.

Yet another epic fail on the part of Elkin and fellow clowns.

Yes! Agreed!
And Im also glad to hear (as others are on the thread) that Sheila's brother is an Attorney.
I would be spitting mad if HM got one cent of that money - and her Lawyers should have known better to think that SVWM's money is a pot they can just dip into to be paid to defend the daughter who killed her mother. It was (IMHO) the exact reason that Sheila was targeted in the first place - so that HM and TS could get to the money without having an adult in the way of all the spending they were about to do.

I dont know what HM told her Legals about access to 'her' money - but I think she is going to be hard pressed to pay for any of this out of Sheila's trust.
And I absolutely agree - this is for bribe money - I have no doubt at all.

 

[RR0004]

The Associated Press reports that:

"A Cook County judge is asking an Indonesian court to delay a trial for a Chicago-area teen accused of killing her mother on the resort island of Bali."​

http://www.wrex.com/story/27876748/judge-wants-stay-in-teens-trial-over-moms-killing-in-bali

Wait...didn't HM choose her own attorney? Wouldn't she have to be the one to let him go? Are they implying that she would take a new attorney if it meant she could get money from the Trust to pay for him? I don't know if she would accept those terms.

 

[newone]

Yeah well ... you know her attitude, you know what it do.

One day, just one day, may this girl fall flat on her face. And may it be the day that she is found guilty of the premeditated murder of her mother and sentenced to life.

Perhaps it might be fitting if she was sentenced to death.......and then have to plead for ''leniency'' MOO

 

[FigTree]

Yes! Agreed!
And Im also glad to hear (as others are on the thread) that Sheila's brother is an Attorney.
I would be spitting mad if HM got one cent of that money - and her Lawyers should have known better to think that SVWM's money is a pot they can just dip into to be paid to defend the daughter who killed her mother. It was (IMHO) the exact reason that Sheila was targeted in the first place - so that HM and TS could get to the money without having an adult in the way of all the spending they were about to do.

I dont know what HM told her Legals about access to 'her' money - but I think she is going to be hard pressed to pay for any of this out of Sheila's trust.
And I absolutely agree - this is for bribe money - I have no doubt at all.

Re quoting myself - somehow I missed the next page with the new info - a late posting on my behalf.

I wonder if the delay to get HM to court was a matter of stretching time out until there was some certainty about the money coming through.

 

[gracehatter]

Wait...didn't HM choose her own attorney? Wouldn't she have to be the one to let him go? Are they implying that she would take a new attorney if it meant she could get money from the Trust to pay for him? I don't know if she would accept those terms.

Technically, I think she will but the judge is saying get a new lawyer or get no money...you choose.

 

[gracehatter]

Seriously? Heather had a lawyer. What's wrong with bringing him back? Just what does this judge think Sheila's money is going to buy as far as representation is concerned? Sounds like her original lawyer was doing a bang up job piling all the blame on TS. So pay him his regular stipend since she is no longer indigent and get on with it.

MOO

It is generally accepted practice at least in the US legal system that once you have expressed your dissatisfaction with your lawyer it is understood that there is no going back as it would presume a "tainted" defense and also subjects the lawyer to further complaints by the client with a foundation for the same already on record.

Oh sure, delay her trial, and let Tommy get convicted first and take on the whole crime. We already know they have to try to go with a sudden, rage killing, but there's blaring evidence of her involvement in premeditation. I guess Tommy can't drag her down with him without implicating himself in the premeditation which gets him into firing squad territory. But is everybody forgetting she was looking for someone to kill her mother? Can't stand watching her mother's money being used to wash her clean. She's filthy with her mother's blood on her hands, IMO.

I'm getting a sinking feeling and I hope once the terms and conditions of the fees of the lawyer are determined and this request for a delay is granted or rejected, that will be the extent of the involvement of the US court. I suspect we will also see Elkins and Flavia asking to be paid for services rendered thus far in addition to any expenditures up to this point. Don't think for a second this will be written off as pro bono work. The good news is that any fees will have to be reasonable and customary as approved by the judge b/f the checks are cut.

 

[Orange Tabby]

Judge’s Ruling – Sun-Times Update

The Sun-Times story on the judge’s ruling, originally posted at 12:05 p.m. on the 16th, has now been extensively re-written but with no indication that the original post has been changed.

Some excerpts:

[Judge Cohen] wanted to know what Mack’s attorney, Anthony Scifo, was hiding, what he didn’t want to say in open court Friday. Finally, a reluctant Scifo lifted the lid on Mack’s netherworld existence, where, he said, she’s in a Bali jail surrounded by accused drug smugglers who sometimes push chosen lawyers on the uninitiated.

Cohen said Mack needs to pick someone besides the lawyer she’s got in Bali — Ary Soenardi — before he will sign off on the release of funds.

“You’ve given me every reason to doubt whether this gentleman . . . is committed to represent his client in an effective manner,” ...

Wiese attorney, Eric Dorkin, told Cohen that his client has an obligation to “act in the best interests of the trust.” [Wiese is concerned] ... that trust money could be used for corrupt purposes in Bali.

A testy Cohen at one point snapped at Dorkin, “What is your duty to her?” [Heather Mack].

Cohen … appointed a retired judge as interim trustee to review the hiring of a new lawyer for Mack.

Cohen told Scifo to send the judge in Bali “his compliments” and also to urge him to delay the trial while Mack finds a new attorney.​

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-ch...-area-woman-right-trust-fund-criminal-defense

 

[Orange Tabby]

Some public info on William Wiese attorney Eric Dorkin:

http://www.martindale.com/Eric-Dorkin/36642121-lawyer.htm

http://ch-staging.thenewfoundry.com/people/eric-dorkin.pdf

 

[Orange Tabby]

Some public info on Heather Mack’s Chicago attorney, Anthony Scifo:

http://www.nolo.com/lawyers/profile/the-law-office-anthony-r-scifo

http://lawyers.legalhelpmate.com/IL-Lawyer-Anthony-Scifo-1056533.aspx

Earlier this month he wrote a short piece on uncontested divorces:

http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/2015/01/09/in-your-court-uncontested-divorces/arugdco/

 

[FigTree]

Judge’s Ruling – Sun-Times Update

The Sun-Times story on the judge’s ruling, originally posted at 12:05 p.m. on the 16th, has now been extensively re-written but with no indication that the original post has been changed.

Some excerpts:

[Judge Cohen] wanted to know what Mack’s attorney, Anthony Scifo, was hiding, what he didn’t want to say in open court Friday. Finally, a reluctant Scifo lifted the lid on Mack’s netherworld existence, where, he said, she’s in a Bali jail surrounded by accused drug smugglers who sometimes push chosen lawyers on the uninitiated.

Cohen said Mack needs to pick someone besides the lawyer she’s got in Bali — Ary Soenardi — before he will sign off on the release of funds.

“You’ve given me every reason to doubt whether this gentleman . . . is committed to represent his client in an effective manner,” ...

Wiese attorney, Eric Dorkin, told Cohen that his client has an obligation to “act in the best interests of the trust.” [Wiese is concerned] ... that trust money could be used for corrupt purposes in Bali.

A testy Cohen at one point snapped at Dorkin, “What is your duty to her?” [Heather Mack].

Cohen … appointed a retired judge as interim trustee to review the hiring of a new lawyer for Mack.

Cohen told Scifo to send the judge in Bali “his compliments” and also to urge him to delay the trial while Mack finds a new attorney.​

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-ch...-area-woman-right-trust-fund-criminal-defense

My highlight above - and bolds below

Seems there is good reason to question the money.... This guy can turn 6 years into 10 months



http://www.news.com.au/world/bali-p...indonesian-jails/story-fndir2ev-1227014030151
Bali prisoner Stephen Henri Lubbe writes letter saying foreign prisoners buy reduced sentences from Indonesian jails

EXPLOSIVE new claims of corruption within Indonesia’s legal system have been exposed by a foreign prisoner who says he was offered a more lenient sentence for $US30,000.
South African Stephen Henri Lubbe was this week sentenced to 15 years’ jail in Bali for drug smuggling, but said he would have received far less had he coughed up the cash.
In a disturbing and dangerously frank two-page letter obtained by News Corp, Lubbe claims “lucky foreigners” from wealthy backgrounds are exchanging as much as $US120,000 for reduced sentences.

Lubbe’s lawyer, Ary B Soenardi — the same man who represented Sydney resident Leeza Ormsby on drugs charges — and fellow lawyer Iswahyudi denied they had suggested he pay a bribe.
“It is not true. It’s a defamation. We never told him to pay anything. We are helping him during the trial sincerely,” Iswahyudi said.
Mr Soenardi also conveyed the same statement.

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/10225754/How-Ormsby-got-off-lightly
How Ormsby got off lightly.

But Soenardi’s deep knowledge of the arts (some of them presumably dark) of the Indonesian judicial system got Ponder a mere six-year sentence for possession of a different batch of cocaine in his house.

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http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...-may-face-light-sentence-drug-possession.html
New Zealander may face light sentence for drug possession

Ormsby’s lawyer, Ary Soenardi, said, “Anything can happen [in court], we will just hope for the best.” -

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http://www.3news.co.nz/world/ormsby...-case-should-step-up-2014022616#ixzz3PC68axJd
Ormsby lawyer: Others linked to case should 'step up'

There are reports Mazzucco asked police how much it would cost to make it all go away and was then released without charge. Police deny that. An officer 3 News spoke with yesterday said there was "no other man".

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http://www.thebalidaily.com/2013-01-30/briton-gets-light-sentence-drug-case.html
Briton gets light sentence in drug case

The panel of judges stated that they had taken into consideration that Ponder had never been involved in crime before, he was remorseful and promised to change his lifestyle before they issued Ponder’s verdict.
Ponder’s lawyer, Ary B. Soenardi said that he was happy with the verdict.


“It is a big surprise. I am happy about that,” he said. As the verdict was very light; Ary said he would advise his client against an appeal.

:facepalm:

 

[Orange Tabby]

Why did Heather’s Chicago lawyer Anthony Scifo apparently admit to Judge Cohen that Ary Soenardi was a shady lawyer? Isn’t the prevailing theory on this board that Scifo’s job is to get money from Sheila’s trust into a consulate escrow-fund so that it can be dispensed to Soenardi who will then make the requisite bribes?

By acknowledging that Soenardi is a suspect lawyer, hasn’t Scifo essentially put the interim trustee on notice so that the trustee now needs to vet any new lawyer with great care and particularly make a reasonable effort to ascertain that the fee the lawyer wants comports with normal fee arrangements in Indonesia?

 

[Hiandmighty]

I assume the new Bali lawyer won't be so happy to have a district court in the USA following closely along with what he is doing. Nice move, I think.