GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #4

[SouthAussie]

I think he meant "send him my regards..."

Yes, I understand that. :yes:

However, I still believe that Fig Tree makes a good point and I agree with the stated opinion.

 

[SouthAussie]

Don't know how old this book is but it also gives some info about advocates and the judicial system in Indonesia.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=Ni...age&q=indonesia advocates association&f=false

So I wonder if Scifo has found anyone yet? Judge Cohen was shooting for today. I believe she's due back in court on Wednesday? How did Scifo get involved anyway? :waitasec:

BBM: My guess is upon request, because he specialises in probate law - and Elkin does not.

Do we know what type of law Mr Wiese specialises in? I can't find him on Google because I don't know where he lives. But I see that he got himself a lawyer too.

"Wiese, an out-of-state attorney, feared the money would be used illegally for a bribe based on information he received from U.S. authorities about the Indonesian legal system, his attorney said Friday."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-bali-murder-hearing-met-20150116-story.html

 

[Kamille]

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BBM: My guess is upon request, because he specialises in probate law - and Elkin does not.

Do we know what type of law Mr Wiese specialises in? I can't find him on Google because I don't know where he lives. But I see that he got himself a lawyer too.

"Wiese, an out-of-state attorney, feared the money would be used illegally for a bribe based on information he received from U.S. authorities about the Indonesian legal system, his attorney said Friday."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-bali-murder-hearing-met-20150116-story.html

I believe this may be WW and he lives in Michigan. http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/48813-mi-william-weise-765506.html

http://www.grabellaw.com/william-weise.html

 

[Orange Tabby]

Do we know what type of law Mr Wiese specialises in? I can't find him on Google because I don't know where he lives. But I see that he got himself a lawyer too.

SMB

Wiese's attorney is Eric Dorkin. I published some links to Dorkin's background yesterday in post #196, if you are interested.

I can't nail down Sheila's brother either. If he's much older than Sheila, he might already be retired.

 

[Orange Tabby]

I believe this may be WW and he lives in Michigan. http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/48813-mi-william-weise-765506.html

http://www.grabellaw.com/william-weise.html

I wonder about that. The man profiled there completed his undergraduate degree in 1989. If he was about 22 years old then, that would make him about 48 years old now which would make him about 14 years younger than Sheila. Not impossible by any means, but I seem to recall that at the time Sheila's memorial was held William Wiese spoke of some of his memories of Sheila as a young girl, which were reported in the Chicago Tribune. He wouldn't have such memories if he were 14 years younger. He might have gone to college much later than the average person, so my guessing his age based on graduation date could be very untrustworthy. But doesn't his picture put him closer to 48 than 60-something?

One of those links also says that the guy profiled was born and raised in northeast Michigan. Wasn't Sheila born in or near Grosse Pointe? (I'm not at all sure of this and even if true, the family could have moved, of course.)

 

[al66pine]

Remember Tommy then? http://websta.me/n/tommyexx ....It depends on what his Mom experienced with him, but I bet she doesn't like Heather one bit and blames her. It seems Tommy really veered off course when he met Heather. She worked on his weakness of wanting the easy, rich lifestyle, and he made the worst decision of his life. ....

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bbm1
Was Tommy an Eagle Scout-choir boy before his involvement w Heather? IIRC he worked as an escort or for an escort service.

bbm2
ITA, bad decision, whether referring to involvement w HM or going to Bali, or clearly his worst decision, his actions in Bali.

 

[Kamille]

I wonder about that. The man profiled there completed his undergraduate degree in 1989. If he was about 22 years old then, that would make him about 48 years old now which would make him about 14 years younger than Sheila. Not impossible by any means, but I seem to recall that at the time Sheila's memorial was held William Wiese spoke of some of his memories of Sheila as a young girl, which were reported in the Chicago Tribune. He wouldn't have such memories if he were 14 years younger. He might have gone to college much later than the average person, so my guessing his age based on graduation date could be very untrustworthy. But doesn't his picture put him closer to 48 than 60-something?

One of those links also says that the guy profiled was born and raised in northeast Michigan. Wasn't Sheila born in or near Grosse Pointe? (I'm not at all sure of this and even if true, the family could have moved, of course.)

Well that attorney is about 48 so I guess it's not him? Strange not to be able to find an attorney online. :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Curious Me]

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bbm1
Was Tommy an Eagle Scout-choir boy before his involvement w Heather? IIRC he worked as an escort or for an escort service.
bbm2
ITA, bad decision, whether referring to involvement w HM or going to Bali, or clearly his worst decision, his actions in Bali.

:lol: I admit it slipped my mind. But it was a profession that brought in money. Heck, he was proud of that job. :smile:

BBM

 

[al66pine]

Sorry if this has bn covered, but catching up on a couple days posts.

Q1
Has anyone here seen trust doc itself? MSM? ct filings in HM's actions attempting to force uncle/tt'ee to release $ for her Bali defense?
Q2
Was IL atty Elkins the one who prepared trust doc for mom?
Q3
Which atty/firm is listed in IL ct proceedings as rep'ing HM in above action? A link to ct records pls?

Thx in adv.

 

[Orange Tabby]

Sorry if this has bn covered, but catching up on a couple days posts.

Q1
Has anyone here seen trust doc itself? MSM? ct filings in HM's actions attempting to force uncle/tt'ee to release $ for her Bali defense?

Believe me, if that trust doc were in the public domain, you’d have no doubt about it. Everyone here would be dissecting it day and night! Ditto for the seven-page emergency motion which resulted in Friday's hearing.

I followed the reports closely of Friday's hearing about the use of that trust to pay for Heather's defense and no account I read included any mention by a reporter saying he or she had seen any trust documents.

Q2
Was IL atty Elkins the one who prepared trust doc for mom?

Strictly speaking, we don’t know who prepared the trust for Sheila. But I’ve never heard anyone suggest it was Michael Elkin. We don't even have any reason to believe that Sheila Mack and Michael Elkin ever met. For any purpose at any time.

We don’t know a lot about how Sheila planned for her death. But in August a will was filed. Jon Seidel of the Chicago Sun-Times reported several things on August 25 of last year, including the following:

Sheila von Wiese-Mack’s will was filed late last week by Lance Taylor, an Oak Park attorney, more than a week after Indonesian authorities took von Wiese-Mack’s 18-year-old daughter and her boyfriend into custody in connection with the woman’s death.

Taylor said only that he did estate planning in 2006 for von Wiese-Mack and her husband, the late James L. Mack.

Von Wiese-Mack signed her will Aug. 1, 2006 — the same day her husband signed his. She left her property to a trust but did not name its beneficiary. Neither did her husband in his will, signed five days before his death on Aug. 6, 2006. Taylor declined to discuss those details.​

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/...lain-in-bali-filed-in-court.html#.VE3Us65GRak

There is lots of speculation here on Websleuths about Sheila's trust(s) and finances, but members here are by no means unanimous on details.

Q3
Which atty/firm is listed in IL ct proceedings as rep'ing HM in above action? A link to ct records pls?

Heather’s Chicago attorney is now Anthony Scifo. I provided some links to info about him in post #197 in this thread. I think others have also offered some details about him.

We on Websleuths have no court records. If you look at posts made starting early morning (Chicago time) this past Friday, you will find many summaries and excerpts from articles which reported on the hearing in Cook County Court where Judge Neil Cohen ruled that Heather could access some of the funds from the trust set up by her mother. There are many references there to the trust and a few details outlined, but unfortunately mediated by reporters and I for one don’t always trust members of the press to report legal details accurately. So, YMMV.

Hope this helps.

 

[Orange Tabby]

Well that attorney is about 48 so I guess it's not him?

Yes, that was exactly my point.

Strange not to be able to find an attorney online. :waitasec:

Hee hee hee.

I suggested in an earlier post that WW may be retired. That doesn't explain everything, but it would explain some things.

ETA: Another possibility: he’s an attorney with a big firm and he specializes in something like transactional law (M&A, contracts, etc.) and either has never been lead attorney in a major case (so his name doesn’t appear in newspaper articles) or none of his cases have been controversial enough to merit media attention. If he’s with a major firm, no webpage or other advertising would be necessary for him, so he’s not got a personal web footprint.

Just a thought.

Or he could be the Denver attorney.

 

[IslandLover]

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I believe this may be WW and he lives in Michigan. http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/48813-mi-william-weise-765506.html

http://www.grabellaw.com/william-weise.html

Ironic that William Wiese is a criminal defense attorney himself

 

[Orange Tabby]

Ironic that William Wiese is a criminal defense attorney himself

I feel pretty strongly that that William Wiese is not Sheila's brother. (My reasons are posted upthread, and they are just one gal's views, and may be wrong.)

Good to see you back, IslandLover!

 

[IslandLover]

Ironic that William Wiese is a criminal defense attorney himself

Just noticed that the website address is for a William Weise, not William Wiese, so it's obviously not Sheila's brother.

 

[IslandLover]

I feel pretty strongly that that William Wiese is not Sheila's brother. (My reasons are posted upthread, and they are just one gal's views, and may be wrong.)

Good to see you back, IslandLover!

No, you are absolutely correct. I noticed after I had posted that the website address was for a William Weise, not William Wiese. I have been away from this forum for a while as I've been following the Koh Tao murders on another forum, but now that HM & TS have been charged, I'm back!

 

[Orange Tabby]

Just noticed that the website address is for a William Weise, not William Wiese, so it's obviously not Sheila's brother.

[My emphasis]

You are one up on me, because I didn't notice that vital discrepancy.

IslandLover, you are back after a long absence and straight away hit a home run. Thanks for your important observation. Stick with us!

 

[ajaylee]

Apologies if this link has already been posted. It has a reasonable account of HM's lawyer-switching activities.

Sounds like she didn't part with Elkin/Favia on good terms, although I'm guessing the language is kind of boilerplate.

The details of the agreement with Elkin and Favia aren't clear. According to this account, she lost confidence in them when they left Bali after helping her find an attorney through Reprieve, but she didn't actually dump them until she found Soenardi. No mention of Ras Nasrution (sp?), her former Indonesian lawyer.

His fee agreement, the filing says, was for $300,000 “due to the cultural taboos of this case, including but not limited to, an unwed mother suspected of killing her own mother, as well as a pending trial in approximately one month.”

http://cookcountyrecord.com/news/269938-teen-on-trial-in-bali-for-mothers-murder-files-motion-in-cook-county-seeking-trust-funds-to-pay-for-lawyer

Kind of ironic when Judge Cohen chastises Wiese and reminds him that the $$ are all about saving HM's life at the same time as he's saying HM needs to get a new lawyer. It's quite possible that HM's best chance at guaranteed survival is with the crookedest lawyers and prosecutors and judges she can find.

 

[EmilNomel]

Scifo is young, he has only been a lawyer for 8 years. His website shows a one-man, suburban practice, far from the City. Do we know how he became involved in this case? A referral from Elkin and Favia?

 

[FigTree]

Just noticed that the website address is for a William Weise, not William Wiese, so it's obviously not Sheila's brother.

Just wondering why its not William von Wiese?
Where does the 'Von' come from?

 

[EmilNomel]

I wondered that as well. Maybe Sheila kept it because it sounded cool, and her brother dropped it because it sounded pretentious.