GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #5

[Weezer Fan]

So, I predict that HM will be paroled at some point to "take care of Stella". Probably on house arrest like Corby was. She can pay bribes whenever Stella gets a money transfer to ensure she stays free.

I assume both will be deported once HM has fulfilled her sentence. They will be deported to the US. HM will be charged the moment she sticks her big toe in the US with several counts of conspiracy. Poor Stella will be shuffled to someone else. Again.

That beautiful little girl is so screwed.


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[ajaylee]

Unless something changes between now and then, I don't think HM will bring Stella back to the US with her when she gets out of prison.

If she does and the feds decide to charge her, she will have two choices for Stella: surrender her to the foster care system or give her to KW. I think she knows that after everything that's happened, if she gives her to KW, she'll never see her again. Worse, KW might direct some of Stella's money to TS. Either way, HM would lose control of Stella.

If she leaves Stella with Oshar when she comes back, she can face any charges in the US while still keeping control of Stella's fate.

 

[Weezer Fan]

http://www.ilnd.uscourts.gov/judge-info.aspx?X0KFz5VBiGM=

Bibbs is on Judge Pallmeyer's calendar for sentancing at 10:00 tomorrow, June 2.

 

[Weezer Fan]

https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com...v=&caseno=&PLtype=1&sname=mack+heather&CDate=

When I checked this link last week or so, there was a new date of July. Now it is gone. Nothing since the status call on 5/25.

It has always had the new date as the last entry.

 

[Kamille]

https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com...v=&caseno=&PLtype=1&sname=mack+heather&CDate=

When I checked this link last week or so, there was a new date of July. Now it is gone. Nothing since the status call on 5/25.

It has always had the new date as the last entry.

According to the article after the last court date, there is supposed to be a hearing scheduled for July 28th in which HM is supposed to answer the questions posed to her via phone or skype because Judge Cohen has ruled that she waived her 5th amendment rights long ago.

But since Favia is still fighting this, perhaps Judge Cohen cancelled that hearing and is prepared to just sit on this and not make a determination on the slayer statute until HM co operates? I think he should just leave the trust in limbo and under WW's control until HM is willing to answer the questions...or until Stella turns 30 and then give it to her. Hopefully her mother will be in a US prison by then and she will have been able to rid herself of any other leeches trying to get at that trust.

MOO

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/judge-puts-heather-mack-in-a-pickle-says-she-waived-the-5th/

 

[ajaylee]

I think I've been thinking about the sequence of events all wrong.

The FBI has built and won a case against RB. They have a warrant to do what it takes to try to crack HM's cellphone. It's hard to tell from the reporting, but there's mention of a grand jury.

I have always assumed that the FBI would wait until HM and TS arrived back in the US to charge them. Now it occurs to me that there's no reason they can't be indicted and a warrant issued for their arrest the minute they are located, ie, the minute they set foot back on US soil.

If that's the case, Favia doesn't have to stall for years like I thought. It may only be a matter of months. If there actually is a grand jury and it doesn't return an indictment, I think HM's pretty much off the hook in the US.

I don't think HM can be compelled to testify before a grand jury; I'm not sure. If it goes to court, however, she could plead the 5th or refuse to testify to avoid directly incriminating herself.

 

[Kadoober]

http://www.ilnd.uscourts.gov/judge-info.aspx?X0KFz5VBiGM=

Bibbs is on Judge Pallmeyer's calendar for sentancing at 10:00 tomorrow, June 2.

I wish I had known about this before yesterday, I'd have taken the day off.

I'm finally almost done catching up, and I'm dumbfounded by the twists and turns of this case. You can't make this up. It's just incredible.

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[Kamille]

I wish I had known about this before yesterday, I'd have taken the day off.

I'm finally almost done catching up, and I'm dumbfounded by the twists and turns of this case. You can't make this up. It's just incredible.

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Sure is Kadoober. HM is one of the most dangerously manipulative people I've come across in all my years of following true crime. The girl is teflon. Although I'm not sure some of that teflon doesn't come from the fact that she comes with a million dollar trust. It always amazes me how many people are willing to overlook, participate in and/or reward pure evil for the chance at a few bucks. Sickening really.

:notgood:

MOO

 

[Kamille]

I think I've been thinking about the sequence of events all wrong.

The FBI has built and won a case against RB. They have a warrant to do what it takes to try to crack HM's cellphone. It's hard to tell from the reporting, but there's mention of a grand jury.

I have always assumed that the FBI would wait until HM and TS arrived back in the US to charge them. Now it occurs to me that there's no reason they can't be indicted and a warrant issued for their arrest the minute they are located, ie, the minute they set foot back on US soil.

If that's the case, Favia doesn't have to stall for years like I thought. It may only be a matter of months. If there actually is a grand jury and it doesn't return an indictment, I think HM's pretty much off the hook in the US.

I don't think HM can be compelled to testify before a grand jury; I'm not sure. If it goes to court, however, she could plead the 5th or refuse to testify to avoid directly incriminating herself.

Don't remember reading anything about a grand jury looking into the conspiracy but if RB has been convicted of conspiracy he had to have conspired with someone. So if they aren't able to actually charge HM with murder since she was not charged with it in Indonesia, they must be able to get her for conspiracy. Can't imagine any grand jury needing to hear testimony from her in order to come to that conclusion. The evidence from TS, RB and her cell phones should be enough.

I'm sure they'd love to hear testimony from TS about what really happened in that hotel room though. I wonder if he's "told them his truth" yet?

 

[FigTree]

...and the FBI are still questioning others and searching for further evidence.
Who knows who they have to testify against HM, TS & RB -
or who they want to further charge.

HM can stay silent for the time being - she cant defend her either if she has pleaded the 5th.
And who want to listen to all her lying dribble anyway.
She has already incriminated herself up to her eyeballs.
I hope they get an order to bring her back to the States for trial.

 

[Kadoober]

Nine years for Bibbs.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-mack-cousin-sentence-met-20170602-story.html

 

[Weezer Fan]

I found this interesting:

"Prosecutors displayed in court the murder weapon — a curved metal fruit bowl stand ". I guess I shouldn't be surprised they have it. After all, they have HM's phone. I bet it was hard for the family to see it.
"Her family members held each other in the front row of the courtroom gallery."


"In asking U.S. District Judge Rebecca Pallmeyer for leniency, Bibbs' attorneys argued in a court filing that it would be absurd to sentence him to more time behind bars than Mack received since he played no actual role in the killing itself." Wonder if this is why he got 9 years instead of 11.


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[Kamille]

I found this interesting:

"Prosecutors displayed in court the murder weapon — a curved metal fruit bowl stand ". I guess I shouldn't be surprised they have it. After all, they have HM's phone. I bet it was hard for the family to see it.
"Her family members held each other in the front row of the courtroom gallery."


"In asking U.S. District Judge Rebecca Pallmeyer for leniency, Bibbs' attorneys argued in a court filing that it would be absurd to sentence him to more time behind bars than Mack received since he played no actual role in the killing itself." Wonder if this is why he got 9 years instead of 11.


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Well they should have given him the whole 11 years then. He'll get out in less than that so no matter what, he won't have served more time than HM...unless her likely inevitable scheme to get out of Kerbokan early comes to fruition. According to a poster in the comments section of the article, he can only get 15 percent shaved off a federal conviction. Is this true?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Didn't realize they would have some of the evidence from the actual murder on hand during RB's sentencing. That must have been very difficult for her family, especially the crime scene photos of Sheila. I wonder if they had already seen those during his actual trial?

Bibbs believed the murder plot was going to go forward "regardless of any advice" he tried to give his cousin to abort the trip, attorney Donna Hickstein-Foley wrote in her memo.

This ^^...LIAR!! You drove him to the bloody airport! We all saw the IG pics. You didn't try AT ALL to give him advice to abort it. And you knew he looked up to you like a big brother and likely would have taken some good advice to stay away from HM and call the police about what she was trying to get him to do. Why didn't you tell his mother what he was planning to do? Your mother? Greedy filthy liar. 9 years was not nearly enough.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Sister, brother of Bali murder victim speak out at sentencing

It was hard enough for Debbi Curran to look at the suitcase — perhaps the most indelible image from her sister’s 2014 murder at a luxury Bali resort.

But then the images of Sheila von Wiese-Mack’s black, blue and bloodied face filled two giant screens inside the federal courtroom Friday, and Curran turned away.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/ma...ving-advice-in-sheila-von-wiese-mack-slaying/

 

[Kamille]

Bibbs said he accepts “full responsibility for my part.”

“I was lost as a man, I was depressed,” Bibbs said. “I was drinking, I had suffered a number of significant problems and it made me not see clearly.”

He called it a lapse in judgment, which the judge rejected, saying that’s the sort of thing a person says about locking a set of keys in the car.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/06/02/bali-murder-sentencing-mack/

 

[ajaylee]

This disgusts me. What HM got in Bali, where murder is treated less harshly than drug crimes, is in no way relevant to what is an appropriate sentence in the US.

At the same time, if Gibbs got 9 years, then we know the FBI will get more for HM and TS. Even though the charge was 'only' conspiracy and not the actual murder itself, the FBI could ask for (and hopefully get) 20 years.

 

[Weezer Fan]

In watching the video interview with William Weiss on both the Tribune and the sun times, Weiss says he thought this was a good first step for justice. He also talks about all the lies that came out of Indonesia. And he says they tried to get Stella out of the prison for a year and a half and that HM would not cooperate.

I'm glad to hear that it sounds like this is not over.


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[Kadoober]

Didn't realize they would have some of the evidence from the actual murder on hand during RB's sentencing. That must have been very difficult for her family, especially the crime scene photos of Sheila. I wonder if they had already seen those during his actual trial?

MOO

SBM
I hope they have ALL of it stashed away somewhere, in anticipation of stateside prosecution.

 

[gitana1]

Thanks Weezer Fan :blushing:

I've been following her since the first time I saw her with HM, outside the prison on one of their "girl's days out" and IMO I knew she was not the "motherly" type. And she appears to be very far from the "housewife" that she put down on the guardian paperwork. Her children are in full time private school, she is a property manager for rental villas, I still don't see a husband in the picture and she seems to be out all the time, day and night.

So I still want to know why she agreed to take Stella as well.

MOO

Money.