GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #5

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  • #381
I agree, gracehatter, 'giddy' describes HM's behavior.

I think she's mentally already packing her bags to leave 'Hotel K'. The prosecution made a rather pointed reference to her helping with the crime. I think that's opening the door for the judges to find her 'guilty' of the 'assisting' crime, the one that carries a 9-month sentence. If she gets credit for time served, she's practically free.

I wonder if she's aware of the Chicago proceedings regarding the trust. I don't recall if Cohen put an end date or condition to Mackoff's trusteeship. I would be very surprised if Soenardi didn't recommend an appeal for TS, no matter how light his sentence. HM's probably got a better chance of getting $ out of Mackoff than out of Wiese.
 
  • #382
Any one who watches the video is even more worried now for Baby Stella being brought up in a prison and being smothered by her blanket continuously. Heather sounds so bossy in the video. I can't see her raising a child without hurting it, JMO.

Bossy? Could it be because that is the second time a guard has carried her bag full of contraband (and a couple of diapers) while she's tossing Stella around and pretending to hide from the media while simultaneously positioning herself right in front of them?

Is that a new Australian "friend" with her? She looks different than the two I saw in pics early on. Maybe she dismissed them?
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  • #383
I agree, gracehatter, 'giddy' describes HM's behavior.

I think she's mentally already packing her bags to leave 'Hotel K'. The prosecution made a rather pointed reference to her helping with the crime. I think that's opening the door for the judges to find her 'guilty' of the 'assisting' crime, the one that carries a 9-month sentence. If she gets credit for time served, she's practically free.

I wonder if she's aware of the Chicago proceedings regarding the trust. I don't recall if Cohen put an end date or condition to Mackoff's trusteeship. I would be very surprised if Soenardi didn't recommend an appeal for TS, no matter how light his sentence. HM's probably got a better chance of getting $ out of Mackoff than out of Wiese.


So lets take the (almost) worst case scenario in Bali, and couple it with an almost worst case scenario in Chicago:

HM is convicted of helping with the crime, is sentenced to 9 months in prison, and is released in May. The administer of SVW estate files a complaint in probate asking for her to not inherit her mothers money due to the Illinois Slayer statute. HM will say she did not cause SVM death...TS did.

My hope is that this will work to disinherit HM:

....in 2004, a new provision was added to the Illinois Probate Act called "Financial Exploitation, Abuse, or Neglect of an Elderly Person or a Person with a Disability." The new provision prevented any person convicted of financial exploitation, abuse, or neglect of an elderly person from receiving "any property, benefit, or other interest by reason of the death of that elderly person . . . whether as heir, legatee, beneficiary, survivor . . . or in any other capacity."

The definitions of "abuse" includes not only obvious physical abuse, harassment or intimidation, but also acts that endanger the elderly person's life or injure his or her health, acts of abandonment, and actions that a caregiver "knows or reasonably should know are necessary" to preserve the elderly person's life or health. The law also targets "neglect," which addresses passive conduct more than overt abuse, such as when a caregiver negligently fails "to provide adequate medical care or maintenance" and this failure causes physical or mental injury or deterioration.

This 2004 statute is broader than the "slayer statute" in that it prevents a person from inheriting or receiving property from the decedent's estate -- even if the abuse, neglect, or financial exploitation was not directly related to the elderly person's death. In this way, this newer statute endorses the notion that an unworthy heir should not profit from any type of bad behavior directed at the decedent.

However, the new statute is also narrower than the "slayer statute" because it does require an actual criminal conviction in order for it to take effect.


http://www.gsrnh.com/item/murder-most-foul-visiting-the-slayer-statute-in-illinois

Sheila was 62. I don't know if that counts as "elderly". For financial exploitation there is a history. Very recently with the Conrad hotel, and, we think HM bought TS's airline ticket to Bali with SVW credit card. I am sure there is a slew of evidence showing HM using SVW credit card without her consent. There is also a history of physical abuse from HM to SVW, not to mention her actual murder. Heather helped stuff her mom in the suitcase. Her acts in the hotel room definitely endangered SVW life because HM let TS into the room, and left the room, (according to the story we are being fed in Denpasar court), while TS beat SVW, and then did nothing to help her mom when she came back into the room. SVW may have still been alive. I'd say that's not providing necessary medical care!!!

Looks like there are many avenues to tie this money up so that HM can't get to it once she is convicted in Bali of something. Even though Stella will eventually inherit the money, (and HM will hang onto her for dear life to try and get access to that money), it will be overseen by the courts until Stella is at least 21 years old. HM won't be able to get money out for things like a new iPhone. (smirk). Yes, that money will be able to be used for Stella's well being and HM will benefit from that. But she will never have free reign to that money like she thinks she will. She will have to answer for every penny spent. And keep in mind that it will most likely take years for there to be a final decision made after all appeals.

These are my thoughts on a worst case scenario. That HM gets away with murder, but never gets the pot of money that caused her to hate, and help murder her mom in the first place. She will always be known as the "Bali body in suitcase" murderer. Her life is ruined, no matter where she is or what she does.

HM may still face charges in the U.S. We won't know until a later date.

Stella will be the true looser in all this if she is not taken from HM. HM has no future. Unfortunately, neither does Sheila.
 
  • #384
Sounds as though she was acting a bit off the rails today, in the holding cell. I feel sorry for the baby, being locked in a cage with her.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uitcase-teen-declares-didn-t-kill-mother.html

I think she has serious mental issues. Her inappropriate behaviour in front of the cameras and total lack of remorse for what she and TS have done is just not normal.
 
  • #385
I have a bipolar sister and she acts like that to overcompensate and project a carefree "I'm not worried at all" attitude when she is deeply worried about whatever is causing her to act that way. It took us a very long while to catch on. The more worried she is, the more she acts like she is happy and carefree.

Of course, it works backwards because it makes everyone think she is a jerk.
 
  • #386
I have a bipolar sister and she acts like that to overcompensate and project a carefree "I'm not worried at all" attitude when she is deeply worried about whatever is causing her to act that way. It took us a very long while to catch on. The more worried she is, the more she acts like she is happy and carefree.

Of course, it works backwards because it makes everyone think she is a jerk.

Well good then, because it means Heather is scared sh** less that she is going to spend more time in prison, and she will lose custody of her daughter by two years of age, and the little girl will be too young to ever remember her and having to live in prison!!!
 
  • #387
With these final days now coming closer to hearing the outcome - I suspect everyone's got their script in place.
The "I'm Innocent" remark and the 'look' from HM on the video is intolerable - we know she's lying - so does she.
... but throwing a cloth over the babies face to cover her from onlookers and saying "sorry Stella" is dangerous, stupid, startling, alarming and unsafe.
You can put it on for the cameras HM, but someone really needs to pull you over the coals for doing that - and constantly covering this babies airways with a cloth which you do repeatedly when the cameras are about.
We've seen the baby - so FFS - stop doing this - let her breath.
I blame covering Baby Stella's face on Kim Kardashian. She may be hoping for baby photo payment. I hope she never suffocates.
This could be her evil plan though. Baby Stella dies "accidentally" at some point from suffocation.
 
  • #388
Well good then, because it means Heather is scared sh** less that she is going to spend more time in prison, and she will lose custody of her daughter by two years of age, and the little girl will be too young to ever remember her and having to live in prison!!!

I agree. After seeing those photos today it makes me think she is realizing her plan didn't work and she is going to be stuck there a while and she will have to give up her daughter. karma
 
  • #389
HM & TS have lied so much throughout this entire ordeal that I dont believe that HM had nothing to do with the physical involvement and murder of Sheila in the Hotel room that night.
The 'HM running into the bathroom' story is incorrect IMHO - and the repeated story, like a mantra (which is one of Soenardi's tactics), is ensuring that there is no other truth than that.
Her recent bizarre and directive bossy behaviour, and the way in which she orders everyone around her is indicative of her manipulative social interactions with others.
I'm betting Sheila would have received many a stare and a mouthful from HM like was seen in the video, and worse, when HM didn't get her way.

@weezerfan - thank you for adding the Illinois Probate Act - "Financial Exploitation, Abuse, or Neglect of an Elderly Person or a Person with a Disability."
It is laws such as this that are available to ensure that there is an avenue to Justice for Sheila, if Bali lets SVWM down.
And, I dare say, there are others legal definitions which would be fitting to approach this situation as well (when HM returns to the US) if the law books are dusted off and looked at.

@Hiandmighty - I agree that HM's behaviour is now showing signature signs of defiance through fear. The 'attitude' is there - the smugness and the denial.
I noticed in the video that HM makes a comment to a question from the media regarding the verdict and says, "Its not the verdict today is it?" - she knows full well its not.


[video=youtube;ZC98sklhI2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC98sklhI2A&feature=youtu.be[/video]
 
  • #390
I blame covering Baby Stella's face on Kim Kardashian. She may be hoping for baby photo payment. I hope she never suffocates.
This could be her evil plan though. Baby Stella dies "accidentally" at some point from suffocation.

Remember Michael Jackson's son Blanket? I think he actually did it to protect the child though, not for a big photo payment.

Yes, quit suffocating that child, Heather. We've seen her and no big whoop.

In regards to Heather herself being photographed. She's delusional if she thinks the press wants her pic because she's talented, pretty, or whatever. She's just a specimen of evil who helped kill and stuff her own mother in a suitcase. It amounts to her being a strange bug to be examined, famous for being an "it".
 
  • #391
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3033511/Body-suitcase-teen-given-star-treatment-cell-Bali-prison-complaining-raising-baby-jail.html

A government minister has travelled to Kerobokan and personally met with HM. He's offered her a private cell so she won't have to raise her baby in crowded conditions. No word on whether or not similar accommodations have been offered to the prisoner raising a 7-month-old child in equally crowded conditions.

She's also getting a minister in because she's anxious to get Stella baptised.

There's no emoticon that really expresses my disgust and outrage. A nineteen-year-old murderess continues to make everyone around her dance to her tune - attorneys, judges, prison officials. No wonder she barks orders like she's entitled: she gets away with it.
 
  • #392
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3033511/Body-suitcase-teen-given-star-treatment-cell-Bali-prison-complaining-raising-baby-jail.html

A government minister has travelled to Kerobokan and personally met with HM. He's offered her a private cell so she won't have to raise her baby in crowded conditions. No word on whether or not similar accommodations have been offered to the prisoner raising a 7-month-old child in equally crowded conditions.

She's also getting a minister in because she's anxious to get Stella baptised.

There's no emoticon that really expresses my disgust and outrage. A nineteen-year-old murderess continues to make everyone around her dance to her tune - attorneys, judges, prison officials. No wonder she barks orders like she's entitled: she gets away with it.

I don't know what to say. I'm nonplussed.

I pledge to never visit this country.


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  • #393
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3033511/Body-suitcase-teen-given-star-treatment-cell-Bali-prison-complaining-raising-baby-jail.html

A government minister has travelled to Kerobokan and personally met with HM. He's offered her a private cell so she won't have to raise her baby in crowded conditions. No word on whether or not similar accommodations have been offered to the prisoner raising a 7-month-old child in equally crowded conditions.

She's also getting a minister in because she's anxious to get Stella baptised.

There's no emoticon that really expresses my disgust and outrage. A nineteen-year-old murderess continues to make everyone around her dance to her tune - attorneys, judges, prison officials. No wonder she barks orders like she's entitled: she gets away with it.



Well there's the private cell I predicted. Just a matter of time before she gets Tommy in there with her and starts a family wing. That baby is a US citizen. It is an outrage that no US government agency has stepped in and removed her from her mother's custody. Budget tight at CPS? Can't afford the plane fare to go get her? Just ask Judge Cohen for it on behalf of Sheila's "heir" grandchild. Go in there with a US court order to take custody of that baby and return her to her country of citizenship. Get the US consulate involved if you need some help. Those idiots at the consulate are being paid by American tax dollars to do nothing over there. Nothing! They finally have an actual situation in which an American needs some assistance (Stella, not her murderous parents) and they do nothing. They should also be in contact with CPS in the US to demand that baby is removed from that prison.

Her funds need to be cut off. Like yesterday. And the Indonesian "human rights minister" needs to stop asking her to consider allowing Stella out and just do it. Why are they afraid of her? Why the special treatment? Is it the money they figure she'll pay? Take Stella away from her and to the U.S. Consulate and make them work for their money. Who would have thought there was even such a thing as a human rights minister in that horrid country?

I hope all this is being considered while waiting for the verdict. I hope the hearings are getting lined up for the slayer law and that Stella is granted a GAD in the US to fight for her.

MOO
 
  • #394
Insane. Completely insane.
 
  • #395
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3033511/Body-suitcase-teen-given-star-treatment-cell-Bali-prison-complaining-raising-baby-jail.html

A government minister has travelled to Kerobokan and personally met with HM. He's offered her a private cell so she won't have to raise her baby in crowded conditions. No word on whether or not similar accommodations have been offered to the prisoner raising a 7-month-old child in equally crowded conditions.

She's also getting a minister in because she's anxious to get Stella baptised.

There's no emoticon that really expresses my disgust and outrage. A nineteen-year-old murderess continues to make everyone around her dance to her tune - attorneys, judges, prison officials. No wonder she barks orders like she's entitled: she gets away with it.

I refuse to believe. This can't be real life.

Can we start a petition of some sort for U.S. officials to step in? I know it probably wouldn't do much, but perhaps the publicity would make Indonesian officials reevaluate how they're handling this...
 
  • #396
I refuse to believe. This can't be real life.

Can we start a petition of some sort for U.S. officials to step in? I know it probably wouldn't do much, but perhaps the publicity would make Indonesian officials reevaluate how they're handling this...

Sadly, it's possible that the US government (State Department) is behind this latest fiasco. Someone from the US embassy may have notified Indonesian authorities of their concerns. There's no legal means to remove Stella from HM's care in Indonesia right now, so any concern for Stella's circumstances necessarily involves HM. Stella needs quiet, privacy and air conditioning? Well, HM's going to get it, too. I think it's clear that although Indonesia allows infants until the age of two, most Indonesians don't see this as desirable. I think there's only two types of Indonesian women who keep their infants in prison: those who have no other option and those who are nuts/cunning like HM.

Soenardi's greatest coup in all of this has been his efforts to change the story. It's not about two greedy teens cold-bloodedly planning and executing a helpless 62-year-old woman. It's about two star-crossed young lovers who just want to be together with their baby and their (inherited by murder) bank account. It's like the courts are being pressured to 'do the right thing' and stop putting obstacles in the lovers' path. SWM has almost been erased from the narrative: it's about the suffering of the two young lovers as they try to stay strong in the face of adversity. (I'm gagging as I type this). HM has probably already been rehearsing her story for the (paid) TV interviews and movie-of-the-week she expects when she gets back to the US.

It's ironic that even the prosecution (which has clearly been tainted) suggests that HM and TS deserve a break because they are young and can change if given a chance.

Um...hello....MS and AC have spent a decade behind bars actually demonstrating that they can and have changed, but in their case, the argument seems to be that whether or not you change, you still owe a debt to society for the crimes you have committed.

Of course, MS and AC don't have Soenardi (and $$$) working on their side.

We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap. Stella isn't in crap conditions because of the inhumanity of the Indonesian prison system. Stella is in crap conditions because her mother has chosen to keep her in prison instead of releasing her to better circumstances. She's being enabled and encouraged by her fawning Aussie friends.
 
  • #397
So lets take the (almost) worst case scenario in Bali, and couple it with an almost worst case scenario in Chicago:

HM is convicted of helping with the crime, is sentenced to 9 months in prison, and is released in May. The administer of SVW estate files a complaint in probate asking for her to not inherit her mothers money due to the Illinois Slayer statute. HM will say she did not cause SVM death...TS did.

My hope is that this will work to disinherit HM:

....in 2004, a new provision was added to the Illinois Probate Act called "Financial Exploitation, Abuse, or Neglect of an Elderly Person or a Person with a Disability." The new provision prevented any person convicted of financial exploitation, abuse, or neglect of an elderly person from receiving "any property, benefit, or other interest by reason of the death of that elderly person . . . whether as heir, legatee, beneficiary, survivor . . . or in any other capacity."


When the case first happened I researched the Slayer statute in Ill. and this is the last and most recent expansion to it but unfortunately it will not apply for a number of reasons. It specifically was expanded to address the ongoing concern of Elder Abuse and it's just lacking here. There is no dependency, no exploitation and SWM would not be considered disabled or elderly. Sure there were repeated thefts but SWM handled them the way she choose to and was quite capable of doing so. I have maintained SWM and HM's case will be one of "first impression" in lll.

As a professional and a new Memaw, the way the law continues to fall in HM's favor is mind boogling...I don't like it, but I understand it, and again I don't like it. I remained dismayed that Stella will likely to continue to be a pawn for a very long time to come and if only Santa would have brought me the "magic wand" I asked for :notgood: I would have whisked her away with a new identity never to be heard again in connection with this case but that appears it is not to be.

I shared with Weezer it is ironic that I'm only about 45mins. from the Chicago courtroom, when I mentioned it to my daughter as she held baby Fiona she had one word for me: "Mother...." with a stern look...no halls of justice for me today!
 
  • #398
I decided to "free think" on this new development and see if I could think outside the box...


Maybe could it mean (wishful thinking) that they are about to convict HM and they have moved her to a smaller cell before the shat hits the fan?

IDK. I was just wondering if there were other possibilities, like they know she is crazy so they are trying to gently prepare her before they take the baby away (could there ever be any reason for this) and before she finds out she is going to be there for 15 more years...

I really really wish there was an alternate meaning to her special treatment
 
  • #399
When the case first happened I researched the Slayer statute in Ill. and this is the last and most recent expansion to it but unfortunately it will not apply for a number of reasons. It specifically was expanded to address the ongoing concern of Elder Abuse and it's just lacking here. There is no dependency, no exploitation and SWM would not be considered disabled or elderly. Sure there were repeated thefts but SWM handled them the way she choose to and was quite capable of doing so. I have maintained SWM and HM's case will be one of "first impression" in lll.

As a professional and a new Memaw, the way the law continues to fall in HM's favor is mind boogling...I don't like it, but I understand it, and again I don't like it. I remained dismayed that Stella will likely to continue to be a pawn for a very long time to come and if only Santa would have brought me the "magic wand" I asked for :notgood: I would have whisked her away with a new identity never to be heard again in connection with this case but that appears it is not to be.

I shared with Weezer it is ironic that I'm only about 45mins. from the Chicago courtroom, when I mentioned it to my daughter as she held baby Fiona she had one word for me: "Mother...." with a stern look...no halls of justice for me today!

Congratulations Memaw. So happy for you. Welcome to the world baby Fiona. :)
 
  • #400
Love the name Fiona.
 
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